should incest between brothers and sisters be legal?

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

It's just a fact of life that laws aren't going to please everyone. I'm not pleased by all of them. But, that's life.

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If that's the case, then don't complain about something you think should be illegal but others don't That argument only works here because it's a law YOU favor. If it was a law YOU were adamantley against being discussed, would YOU be so quick to say, "Oh, well we can't please everyone." And at the risk of sounding even more blunt than I usually do, I think that in this case, those of you who think it should be illegal are the ones who should not have your pleasure satiatited because, quite frankly, it's none of your business what they do. We can't please everyone, so why shouldn't YOU be the one who is unpleased in this case?

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

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Please discuss the ideas but not each other.

Posts resorting such comments will be deleted without any further notice.

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There was loads of fuss about cannabis being taken down from class b to class c. Legalising incest would imply that it is acceptable.
However broad-minded a person people claim to be, they would be disgusted if they actually knew someone who's committed it or a relative offered to commit it with them. This is just a fact.
People have said 'It's their business' but it doesn't just affect them. What about their family, their friends, the people they know? Especially the family. 'Difference' can only be stretched so far- what about psychopaths? They're not 'different', they're ill. Not that incest and psycopathy on on a par but you understand what I'm saying.
In the UK, and most other places, people who commit incest will never be accepted into society, which is what our law is based around. Most people take the law as their guide- you may not admit it but you do- to what is right and what is wrong. Even if you legalised it, the few that have committed it, will essentially be imprisoned anyway by society and will never lead a normal life. That's as good as being in jail.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

There was loads of fuss about cannabis being taken down from class b to class c. Legalising incest would imply that it is acceptable.
However broad-minded a person people claim to be, they would be disgusted if they actually knew someone who's committed it or a relative offered to commit it with them. This is just a fact.
People have said 'It's their business' but it doesn't just affect them. What about their family, their friends, the people they know? Especially the family. 'Difference' can only be stretched so far- what about psychopaths? They're not 'different', they're ill. Not that incest and psycopathy on on a par but you understand what I'm saying.
In the UK, and most other places, people who commit incest will never be accepted into society, which is what our law is based around. Most people take the law as their guide- you may not admit it but you do- to what is right and what is wrong. Even if you legalised it, the few that have committed it, will essentially be imprisoned anyway by society and will never lead a normal life. That's as good as being in jail.

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Very good post Kelby. You say this:

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However broad-minded a person people claim to be, they would be disgusted if they actually knew someone who's committed it or a relative offered to commit it with them. This is just a fact.

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I would like to think that true, but based on what i've been reading in this thread, I don't know. I'm actually shocked that there are this many people that would defend this perversion.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

However broad-minded a person people claim to be, they would be disgusted if they actually knew someone who's committed it or a relative offered to commit it with them. This is just a fact.

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Good point... I don't think everyone here who defended the decision maybe really thought about what would happen if one of their family members tried to commit incest with them. But from what most people have said, they wouldn't care all that much even if it was their own family where the incest was occuring; but that is more directed at other people being involved, although I do believe some people said they would do it.
Also I think peoples reaction to a relative offering to commit it with them would depend on how the relative went about it. Most people will claim to have some creepy relative who hits on them... But maybe if it's a one of question thing, you say no, they understand and give up, I think most people could get over that easy, whereas others would still not be able to look at that person the same ever again though; but generally it would be better than if the relative kept harrassing you to do it.
I hope this makes sense... I know what I'm trying to say, but it's harder to say it at 4 am :lol:

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I wouldn't want to laws against something just because I find it disagreeable.


I hate flip-flops in a restaurant, even a casual one. I hate flip-flops anywhere but the beach. They aren't real shoes and feet are dirty and ugly. But I don't think a law should be made outlawing flip-flops. Or feet. LOL

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:lol: Antiquarian, I would be locked up, if they were illegal...OMG...I have a whole collection of flip-flops! They are the fancier 'sandal' type ones, not the ugly flat ones. They are the only thing comfortable for my big toe, which has a bone spur on it and hurts when it swells in the humidity:( . Do you feel same way about sandals? I wear open shoes all summer long. My feet need air! I do polish my toenails and make sure my feet are clean and groomed. If they became illegal, I would be :bawling: I'm 58 and proud to be a flip-flop wearer! It's true though - some feet should definitely not be revealed - ughly! Hope you still like me....

Otherwise - I see the contraversay rages on in here concerning the real topic. I think this thread has now become the most popular on the forum.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

Oh, Janine! I only meant those totally flat plastic beach things that are barely there. I think sandals are quite nice. I'm sorry if I offended you. Hope you still like me! :blush:

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:lol: OMG, you did not offend me at all, A...I really thought your post was hilarious. I liked all the things you brought up. Yes, the really sloppy ones, I hate too; I hate people wearing those jeans with all the big rips in them, like across the knees. There are many modern/fade type things I hate, but we can discuss that later, privately. I don't really want to offend anyone on here. NO, you did not offend me one bit. I just laughed, because I am wearing them this minute and I even wear them all winter, as my bedroom slippers....pretty weird, huh? I am kind of 'flip-flop' addicted by now.

I actually did get annoyed with my son on his 30th birthday - we took him to a nice restaurant and we all dressed up and he was dressed nicely, too, but had on flip-flops - I told him I was could not believe he was wearing those! He said "It is my birthday and I feel like wearing them". I thought they looked pretty silly.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I have no "issues" with my personal sexual life. I never have had.

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I wasn't talking about YOU personally. In general, society has a hard time about what is acceptable in regards to sex, whether it's sexual behaviour, or sex education.

I can't believe we're still talking about this. I am going to have to get another forum.

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Originally Posted by Janine

:lol: OMG, you did not offend me at all, A...I really thought your post was hilarious. I liked all the things you brought up. Yes, the really sloppy ones, I hate too; I hate people wearing those jeans with all the big rips in them, like across the knees. There are many modern/fade type things I hate, but we can discuss that later, privately. I don't really want to offend anyone on here. NO, you did not offend me one bit. I just laughed, because I am wearing them this minute and I even wear them all winter, as my bedroom slippers....pretty weird, huh? I am kind of 'flip-flop' addicted by now.

I actually did get annoyed with my son on his 30th birthday - we took him to a nice restaurant and we all dressed up and he was dressed nicely, too, but had on flip-flops - I told him I was could not believe he was wearing those! He said "It is my birthday and I feel like wearing them". I thought they looked pretty silly.

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Well, I don't mind open sandles on women, but I can't help feeling that it looks so wimpy on men. :p :lol: Now I know I'm going to get a whole bunch of ate mail. ;)

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Well, I don't mind open sandles on women, but I can't help feeling that it looks so wimpy on men. :p :lol: Now I know I'm going to get a whole bunch of ate mail. ;)

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*Blurts out a huge laugh!* :lol: I am laughing at the 'hate mail 'part! You are such a riot, Virgil!

Probably, in the hate mail, they will call you a sexist or an anti-feminist/feminist(?)! ;) :lol:

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Originally Posted by Janine

*Blurts out a huge laugh!* :lol: I am laughing at the 'hate mail 'part! You are such a riot, Virgil!

Probably, in the hate mail, they will call you a sexist or an anti-feminist/feminist(?)! ;) :lol:

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:D Glad I made you laugh.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

actually shocked that there are this many people that would defend this perversion.

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Nobody is defending incest. We are are simply saying; it is none of our business. There are any number of things I find disgusting and perverse, but they are none of my business. So it's perverse; why is that grounds for criminilization? That's not good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

There was loads of fuss about cannabis being taken down from class b to class c. Legalising incest would imply that it is acceptable.
However broad-minded a person people claim to be, they would be disgusted if they actually knew someone who's committed it or a relative offered to commit it with them. This is just a fact.
People have said 'It's their business' but it doesn't just affect them. What about their family, their friends, the people they know? Especially the family. 'Difference' can only be stretched so far- what about psychopaths? They're not 'different', they're ill. Not that incest and psycopathy on on a par but you understand what I'm saying.
In the UK, and most other places, people who commit incest will never be accepted into society, which is what our law is based around. Most people take the law as their guide- you may not admit it but you do- to what is right and what is wrong. Even if you legalised it, the few that have committed it, will essentially be imprisoned anyway by society and will never lead a normal life. That's as good as being in jail.

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With regards to cannabis... it is absurd that it is considered an illegal and dangerous drug when alchohol is not... alchohol is much more dangerous and messes your mind and body up far far far more than marijuana... people who are drunk, are much more susceptible to acts of violence, etc. as well... other drugs maybe are more problematic and i will not start an argument here about legalizing all drugs, whatever my opinion on the subject:D .... but marijauna... give me a break... make alchohol illegal first...

secondly, you are trying to say that no matter how broadminded a person may be they would be disgusted and appalled if they new someone who committed incest or had a relative approach them... what gave you this window into everyone's mind??? how do you claim to speak for all humanity... that is a ridiculous generalization that has no substance at all.. yes, maybe the majority, even the overwhelmingly large majority may be disgusted, but not all... and I am one of the tiny minority... and I am proud of it... and if a relative approached me, well, I would most likely say no, but frankly, I would have no problem with it, and would not find it in the least disgusting... and far more so if it was just people I knew who were committing incest... if it is love, good for them, I applaud them... and I always will... as well... if I did happen to say fall in love with a cousin or other relative, and they were in love with me, I would have no problem with committing incest myself.... now, that I think puts me wholly in the realm of the ridiculously perverse according to almost everyone here.... hahaha.... good, I like it... I love it... I don't see myself committing incest as I have met my relatives and am not in love with any of them, nor am I attracted to them in that way, but if one came along and we had something special, I would not hesitate however much of an outcast that makes me...

also, family and friends... well if they were accepting and actually cared for these people in a loving relationship they would have no problem... they make it their own problem and choose to be appalled and disgusted by it... so in my opinion the shocked family and friends rejecting them, they are the ones with the serious and perverse problem... and implying something is acceptable does not mean we are going to have an outbreak of it, I really don't see this happening... it is only a tiny minority who will ever be attracted to a relative, and much less to a sibling... so really, I don't follow this argument as being one of any validity...


Antiquarian, you posted examples of studies... well those studies are inherently biased in the first place because of how culture already regards incest and most likely the people conducting the studies... second the statement about most were not of a benign or positive nature to the female involved... well I think I have made it clear I do not support abusive relationships of any kind, incestuous or not, so that statement is irrelevant to this discussion... third, those people have not studied every single case of incest.... and I am sure some are based on just love... you can argue against that all you want, but the fact of the matter is, these people will be persecuted regardless and some great and amazing psychologist (sarcasm) will find some reason to say it wasn't real love and was harmful, or will convince those involved that they are seriously messed up and need help regardless of reality... so again you haven't shown me anything...

and incest is only psychologically damaging because society shuns these people and psychologists and friends, and family all do their best to convince them they are so messed up and borderline insane... so there is the problem... society's narrowminded nature... oh well, I guess it can't be helped...

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Originally Posted by metal134

Nobody is defending incest. We are are simply saying; it is none of our business. There are any number of things I find disgusting and perverse, but they are none of my business. So it's perverse; why is that grounds for criminilization? That's not good enough for me.

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I have to disagree with you Metal. To say that matters like this are none of our business is to bury our heads in the sand. What about sexual abuse of children? In some cultures it is normal for a child to be "educated" sexually by an adult, but we frown upon it greatly here. If this started happening here, would you say that it is also none of our business? Should child molesting not be criminal either?

That is our business because there's a victim. But what consensual adults do is none of our business.