Do You Believe In the paranormal and Did you ever experience supernatural Phenomena?

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Originally Posted by soundofmusic

I didn't find your explanation for the picture, I looked several pages back.

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My explanation ---get ready for this--- is that it's a living human's face. I think it's conceivable that Niamh is having us on, or that it's someone she doesn't recognize, or that it's a reflection of someone's face. Aren't all of these more likely than that the face is a disembodied spirit, mugging from the great beyond?

Janine didn't do us the courtesy of posting the picture she considers so otherworldly, but the principle is the same. She, too, could be having us on. Maybe her son is better at Photoshop than she realizes. Not having seen the face, I can't even say it looks like a face. If it does, maybe there really was a person outside the window, or it was a reflection of someone inside the room. Sound farfetched? Well, once again, how farfetched is it to believe it was the face of a ghost peering at the camera through a supernatural portal?

I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm just trying to show that there's a way to play the odds when we're dealing with questions like these.

Regards,

Istvan

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Originally Posted by Satan

Argh! You know my secrets. I have to return some videotapes tonight. Coming with me? :ihih:

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Oh my god, I haven't been out on a date in a year and I just bagged the king of hell...the man himself...though, if you don't mind, I prefer sleeping on the bed to sleeping under it:lol:

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Originally Posted by Babbalanja

My explanation ---get ready for this--- is that it's a living human's face. I think it's conceivable that Niamh is having us on, or that it's someone she doesn't recognize, or that it's a reflection of someone's face. Aren't all of these more likely than that the face is a disembodied spirit, mugging from the great beyond?

Janine didn't do us the courtesy of posting the picture she considers so otherworldly, but the principle is the same. She, too, could be having us on. Maybe her son is better at Photoshop than she realizes. Not having seen the face, I can't even say it looks like a face. If it does, maybe there really was a person outside the window, or it was a reflection of someone inside the room. Sound farfetched? Well, once again, how farfetched is it to believe it was the face of a ghost peering at the camera through a supernatural portal?

I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm just trying to show that there's a way to play the odds when we're dealing with questions like these.

Regards,

Istvan

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Istvan, I sincerely appreciate your honesty:nod: NOw, I wouldn't go running for a popularity contest anytime soon; you might get dragged behind a pick up to area 51::wink5:

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Originally Posted by soundofmusic

Thank you, Juniper. That really is something. I didn't think the thing in the window looked like a ghost; but I wasn't quite sure it looked like Ted Danson either. You make a good point though; there are many incidences in film where the paranormal was used to increase interest in the productions.
I seem to recall that there were several rumors of the "Poltergeist" and "Twilight Zone" movies being cursed because of multiple deaths.

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I love him, he's funny. Here he takes on the most common example of paranormal phenomenon cited by ghost believers: the so-called "ghost orb" (ie. the little balls of light that sometimes show up in pictures).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh80X...eature=channel

Here's another one, this is my absolute favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyR_WHEmO_4

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Originally Posted by soundofmusic

That is amazing! What did your son do with the picture; I think it's a definite keeper. So, do you think the spirits were attached to the toy.
I remember when the Amityville house was up for sale for 11,000 dollars. It was close to the ocean and I told my husband that the land, alone would be worth that much. I doubt if I'd move into it though. I got so freaked out in the Tower of London, I had to leave before I got to the torture chamber.

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I once stayed at a graveyard all night to see what would happen (I like to test things). It was creepy, and a deer in the woods scared me when it jumped through the trees. I also hung out in a hole in the ground of Louisburg where dozens of french Canadians got locked in and died of suffocation (this was like, 300 years ago). That was also pretty creepy. The marks were still on the walls from their fingernails.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

I love him, he's funny. Here he takes on the most common example of paranormal phenomenon cited by ghost believers: the so-called "ghost orb" (ie. the little balls of light that sometimes show up in pictures).

I once stayed at a graveyard all night to see what would happen (I like to test things). It was creepy, and a deer in the woods scared me when it jumped through the trees. I also hung out in a hole in the ground of Louisburg where dozens of french Canadians got locked in and died of suffocation (this was like, 300 years ago). That was also pretty creepy. The marks were still on the walls from their fingernails.

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I love the ball guy!
You are braver than I am; I don't even like graveyards during the day.

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That is amazing! What did your son do with the picture; I think it's a definite keeper. So, do you think the spirits were attached to the toy.
I remember when the Amityville house was up for sale for 11,000 dollars. It was close to the ocean and I told my husband that the land, alone would be worth that much. I doubt if I'd move into it though. I got so freaked out in the Tower of London, I had to leave before I got to the torture chamber.

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I think perhaps he still has the photo somewhere on his hard drive; but he is so 'touchy' when I have asked about it. The night he stayed in their house - he was suddenly awakened with some strange noise and he got up to investigate to see if his friends were playing games on him. He swears they both were sound asleep. I can tell you he must have been scared out of his wits; because he didn't sleep himself that night. This was before the photo was take and later found on his HD. His friends had told him they experienced some odd occurances in the house. The house was way out in the country. When my son showed my mother and I the photo and then he blew it up, it definitely looked to be a woman's face. I brought up the idea of it being reflected in the glass. He said absolutely no one else was in the house, but he and his friend, Joe. I know my son was not lying, if you could have seen the fearful excitement in his eyes. He's a joker sometimes; but I can tell when he is joking. He absolutely knows nothing of altering photos. I can swear for that. These were the raw files on his laptop, he bought just for his photography. He takes thousands of photos. He was very frightened everytime, I have mentioned that one photo. I just talked to Joe not long ago and he said he gave a copy to the Rutgers University Paranormal Society. If there wasn't any credence to it they would not have accepted the photo. They were pleased to have it. I found it fascinating, when I first viewed the photo, and I still do. I didn't feel any fear but then again I wasn't to the house.

My aunt lived in a historical house and she and her husband claimed to have experienced a spirit; not on one, but many occasions. Her mother moved in the top floor apparment and she also had sitings. I do not any longer think it far-fetched at all. I don't know about the orbs, not just being some sort of natural phenomena; but I have seen photos like Nimah's which cleary show faces...one was away from a group in a graveyard, between what looked to be orbs of light. I notice those in the right of your photo, Niamh; did they disguss those at your group? My son's face photo was even clearer.

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Originally Posted by Janine

I think perhaps he still has the photo somewhere on his hard drive; but he is so 'touchy' when I have asked about it. The night he stayed in their house - he was suddenly awakened with some strange noise and he got up to investigate to see if his friends were playing games on him. He swears they both were sound asleep. I can tell you he must have been scared out of his wits; because he didn't sleep himself that night. This was before the photo was take and later found on his HD. His friends had told him they experienced some odd occurances in the house. The house was way out in the country. When my son showed my mother and I the photo and then he blew it up, it definitely looked to be a woman's face. I brought up the idea of it being reflected in the glass. He said absolutely no one else was in the house, but he and his friend, Joe. I know my son was not lying, if you could have seen the fearful excitement in his eyes. He's a joker sometimes; but I can tell when he is joking. He absolutely knows nothing of altering photos. I can swear for that. These were the raw files on his laptop, he bought just for his photography. He takes thousands of photos. He was very frightened everytime, I have mentioned that one photo. I just talked to Joe not long ago and he said he gave a copy to the Rutgers University Paranormal Society. If there wasn't any credence to it they would not have accepted the photo. They were pleased to have it. I found it fascinating, when I first viewed the photo, and I still do. I didn't feel any fear but then again I wasn't to the house.

My aunt lived in a historical house and she and her husband claimed to have experienced a spirit; not on one, but many occasions. Her mother moved in the top floor apparment and she also had sitings. I do not any longer think it far-fetched at all. I don't know about the orbs, not just being some sort of natural phenomena; but I have seen photos like Nimah's which cleary show faces...one was away from a group in a graveyard, between what looked to be orbs of light. I notice those in the right of your photo, Niamh; did they disguss those at your group? My son's face photo was even clearer.

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Like you, Janine, I do believe in ghosts. It has been asked why ghosts would "hang around". I have no idea; but I will say this: I don't find that people gain a great deal of insight or change a great deal on their death bed; so I don't see why ghosts would suddenly be any different than they were in life.
Personally, I expect that if I come back, I will still be a couch potato.

Yes I believe in the paranormal...but perhaps not in the traditional sense. I have seen far to much evil that is unexplainable to believe otherwise. The flip side however is to ask if it is only evil that seems to remain here after passing...

It is difficult not to believe in ghosts. Things happen here, normal and paranormal and we try to rationalize the phenomena we come across every so often in every walk of life.

I have so many moments I have across things that are paranormal and the experiences mystical. The words I use cannot contain all my feelings and experiences.
If there can be a mind to mind communication then only I can convince the other person I want to share with

Well, I don't want to believe in ghosts :lol: but a couple of creepy things have happened to me, so I'll tell and you decide.

When my grandparents moved to an old age home all their furniture was divided between their children and grandchildren. I got my grandma's cabinet with a sewing machine built into it and we keep all our sewing things in the cabinet... I always lock the cabinet; it's got this tough lock that crunches when you turn the key.

My mom's usually the one that uses the cabinet and my brother will open it occasionally to get a needle, but both of them are forever leaving the cabinet door open. So a few years back there was a period where the door was almost permanently open. Whenever I got home I'd have to close it, or when I was done watching t.v. or reading in the lounge I'd go to my room and the ruddy thing would have its mouth wide open again. So I'd go to my mom and brother and ask them to just lock it when they are done, pretty please. However, every time I asked them they would always say they didn't open the cabinet that day. I just assumed they were lying because they are always getting into trouble for leaving doors and cupboards open. It kept going on like that until they started to get irritated with me for asking them to close the door all the time. One Friday my parents and my brother were getting things ready to go away for the weekend, but I decided to stay home. I went into my room and saw the door was open. I closed and locked it, turned around and stood in my doorway while everyone was walking past me into the kitchen and out the back door. I followed them out, saw them get into the car and drive off. I went back into the house, walked down the passage and, low and behold, the door is open again. There was literally no way that anyone could have opened it since I was the last person to leave the house and the only one to go back into it. There are no back doors or windows to get in and why would anyone do that anyway?

Anyway, make of it what you will, but it totally freaked me out that day. I locked it again and then put my bag in front of it. For a long time I always had something in front of the door...now only occasionally, but due to space issues, hehehe. It was only a year or so after that day that I realised the ’open-door’ period started right after my gran’s death...dum dum duuuuummmmmm :D

I think it's interesting. If you checked the lock to make sure it doesn't slip and make sure the cabinet doors are even so they don't slip; then I'd believe for myself it was gran...then again, I find the idea of the supernatural very natural and comforting.

No, and no.

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Originally Posted by soundofmusic

I think it's interesting. If you checked the lock to make sure it doesn't slip and make sure the cabinet doors are even so they don't slip; then I'd believe for myself it was gran...then again, I find the idea of the supernatural very natural and comforting.

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Actually, I checked the lock every time I locked the door after my mom or brother 'left it open'. It's diffcult to turn the key...and the door doesn't slip, so even if I didn't lock it if will stay closed because it's a tight fit. That's what freaked me out even more, because I might have been able to blame it on the cat/s somehow (I would have found a way - denial is such a lovely thing :D), but it's impossible for anything/one else but a human to open that door...and only if you intended to, not just by bumping the cabinet or brushing past the key and thereby turning it.

Anyway, whatever, I'm not saying it was a ghost. It was however the fist time in my life where I felt totally freaked out by the possiblity.

Hello there :)

Where I come from and as someone stated that spirits are not ghosts...
what i know that spirits of dead people come to their family and friends for extra help
as in prayer ...when they are not peaceful or facing trouble in grave.

they usually visit people whom they know.
but they cannot be seen.

however there is what is called : Jin and or perhaps gennies in english but ofourse has nothing ever to do with a lamp like aladdin that was a story LOL :D
there are good and bad and they can be seen sometimes.

I dont believe in the paranormal.

And of course I have never experienced any supernatural phenomena.

I think it's a tragedy how easily people adopt the viewpoint that there are paranormal things. I went to the book store recently and found 2 shelves of science literature next to a shocking 7 shelves of esoterics and paranormal activity and stuff. That ratio is a disgrace to the human species.

I'm not dogmatically insisting that all paranormal claims are nonsense (yet I very much believe so), I'd quickly change my view if evidence came up. Yet seriously, there are so many alternative explanations for all the phenomena mentioned here. It's so far fetched to think that there are ghosts, souls, demons or whatever responsible for this.

Twice I have been asked to check out 'psi' sites where they claim to have evidence for paranormal mind power stuff. I did so and found obvious inconsistencies in the statistical data, i.e. they claimed the 'James Randi Challenge' is unfair because odds of 100'000 to 1 against chance are impossible to achieve, even with (not too strong) paranormal powers. On another part of the very same website, they claim experiments with results of billions to 1 against chance have been done. Now if that isn't dishonest!

As a side note, Paul the Octopus managed to get 256 to 1 against chance at predicting games in the soccer world cup, and to some people this is actually sufficient evidence that the thing is psychic! I've gotten beat in poker hands where odds were above 1000 to 1, yet this stuff happens if the sample is big enough. There are 6 billion people on earth, if everyone started 10 series of coin-flipping with the intent of getting as much heads as possible, odds are decent that one person will get heads 36 times in a row. And that's nothing supernatural, it's simple statistics!

Now if the same thing was done by everyone on earth, every day for one's whole life, it is actually likely that one person will hit a fantastic, incredibly amazingly awesome streak of legendary 50 times heads (another would hit 50 times tails if we change the rule to pursue tail streaks as well). And it will all mean: literally nothing.