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Umeshwari Greed is equally destructive. Second outcome of desire and attachment, creates in us a tendency to hoard all that we (mind) like. Discard all that we dislike. After all how much wealth can we acquire! How much natural resources, beauty can we hoard! All the riches of the world would not satisfy the hunger of a greedy. And greedy is the most miserly person on earth. He not only hoards whatever he had but keeps on acquiring by fair or foul means, more and more, depriving their usefulness to the needy, but keeping them in his stores to decay and rot. We need a house, a few necessities of life and a partner to share them with. But we acquire disproportionate to our basic needs. Nature has its treasurers for all humanity to share but a few greedy in the name of king (state) or Religion, control these treasures for personal profit. There are sufficient food grains to feed all the months on earth but every day there are news of people dying of hunger. A few are controlling, what was meant for all. In the name of valor or pride, wars are fought to extend the boundaries. But is it possible to divide the earth? Boundaries only exist in our minds, hence can’t be carved out on earth. Can we pierce the earth and divide in small segments? Greed, pride, envy and lust are the pillars on which stands the mansion of the mind (ego).
Shantnu Well said. We should not lose our steam on the topics which are self-evident to us. We know negative as well as positive tendencies arise from mind. And desire is the only cause of their growth. It is also known that as many desires we (mind) create our liberation/salvation period lengthen likewise. As each desire has to be fulfilled and we might have to take as many births as the number of desires, but fulfilled they must be. It is the unshakable rule of the nature.
Umeshwari You mean, every desire that creeps in our mind, has to be fulfilled. Each and every desire!
Shantnu Yes madam. Our will power is the strongest sense in us. It is part of the cosmic-will. It was the will which created the universe. Intense desire in us impels energy forces to concentrate on the subject of our resolve. Intense concentration focus energy at one point and this increases our will power. To which direction concentrated energy is unleashed weaker forces sway under its assaults and the results are devastating.
Umeshwari You mean if an ugly (person) develops his will power, he can win me over, or a weakling after acquiring will power, could win wars?
Shantnu History is witness. In both cases, the will, will conquer.
Umeshwari Even against my will!
Shantnu Not if your will power is equally potent.
Umeshwari I shudder at such a prospect. Anyway you are there to save me. Now about the villainous desires. Either we should fulfill them immediately or run the risk of so many births.
Shantnu There is another way also. We can lessen our desires, and overcome the remaining, which are mostly irrelevant. Wherever our mind is attracted or attached, we should try to acquire knowledge about those subjects, their good/bad points. Utilizing the good for the benefit of others and rejecting the bad as not worth consideration. That way mind can be brought back and diverted to finer objectives in life.
Umeshwari By that you imply, we should take away our mind from the external after having understood it and divert in inward. What actually is the inside?
Shantnu When you come to that state of mind; you will realize, your mind just wasted itself on the external as everything it saw, contacted outside, and already existed in mind. Only it was not aware of its depth. After shedding away flimsy covers of ignorance, finally it dawns on it (mind), that whole world existed in it and it was wastefully pursuing journey in the far of cosmos. Pleasure, joy and happiness that it sought from worldly objects, are really vested in him (mind). Countless lives are spent in realizing this fact.
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Gopi announced their dinner time. Boiled vegetables, ample salad they partook and left for a stroll. Noon time discussions had exercised their minds and they felt exhausted. Fresh mountainous air pumped pure oxygen in their lungs and again they reverberated with vigor. At seven they came back and resumed their dialogue in her room. Gradually their bodies had adjusted to new routine and, without any visible indication, moved or behaved accordingly. His room became convenient for meditation and conversation, during afternoon. Whereas in her room they preferred to remain in natural dress, and while holding each other, talked and relaxed. Their contact of bodies was always spontaneous uninhibited and natural. Their mutual exploration had stopped. Now they basked in each other’s beauty, beauty of bodies and personalities. As the level of their discussions progressed, they automatically extricated from each other and supported themselves individually.
Umeshwari Is it possible to realize Reality, without love?
Shantnu No.
Umeshwari Love between man and woman is essential!
Shantnu Of course, realization of reality is impossible for a person, who has not loved. A man, who has not loved a woman, can’t hope for realization.
Umeshwari Loving is alright, without being loved!
Shantnu Umesh, it is our love that we seek and feel in others. If our heat is bereft of love feelings, other’s love would simply be contacting a stony heart. Unless love blooms in us, we are unaware of its feelings, hence, unable to respond. Respond, we shall, but in lower forms. That would be bestial combats not love’s envelopment. As regards love between man and woman it is not a love between two genders but meeting of energies, positive and negative. Contact between man and a woman is not a love between two genders but meeting of energies, positive and negative. Contact between them created existence. Our origin is because of their contact. If they remain separate, life process would stop. Their very composition in nature created likewise life, in living as was well in inert. Nothing that exists in nature is a single gender. Male cells exist side by side the female cells. If nature exists on this principle, contact of man and woman is natural. And love is the final outcome of their meeting. The initial force of attraction in opposite energies is the binding force of love. It is not only a force but a bond that knits the whole universe in one unit. Outwardly, all may appear multifarious or separate but there is definite bond that unites them all. It is this bond that compels us to seek our roots. The cosmos are on move along with all their ‘existence’; where it is going, to the nether world? It is moving towards its source. Similarly, evolutionary process of life, is also moving, progressing towards a goal and that goal is its source. Genes tell us to move towards lost goal…
Umeshwari Sorry for interruption, but it is a fact; I once saw a tele-film of Christopher, a naturist geologist. It began with a big lake which was richly populated with different varieties of fishes. What struck me was, all the fishes were moving towards opposite direction. All were moving against the flow of water. They were going towards the source of water. But the lake had been formed with the waters of a stream coming from up hills. Its source was about 200 km. from the big lake and there were scores of falls en-route. But the fishes were overcoming them, by jumping and crawling along the crevices but the most startling part was; they sometimes did very unnatural act. When confronted with big waterfalls, which they could not jump over or negotiate, they simply came out of the water and crawled and jumped on the stream banks. Majority of them died out of water, but a few had made it to the upper waters. By the time, some of them reached the small lake, situated at the top of a hill, they had evolved through many a generations, as their forefathers had perished on the way and those who reached the source, were their great grand children. This indicates the succeeding generations had received the message about the source, through genes.
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Shantnu Right you are. And love is our source. As fishes natural habitat, is water, our is earth,satmosphere which is composed of sound, image and air. Images and sound stored in earth’s atmosphere are our subtle bodies. Whatever sound we create is stored in space along with the image we reflect. They are permanently stored not only in earth’s atmosphere but they roam in cosmos. Air’s barrier is its (earth) atmosphere but sound and images roam around for ever. These are stored in chronological form. At one point, images leave the sound and sound alone travels ahead. These two are, really our waters (natural habitat), with whose help, we shall go back to our original source.
Umeshwari How is that, I don’t get you?
Shantnu Umesh, you notice from TV that an anchor’s voice and image reach us simultaneously. His/her voice and image don’t run to us, but are carried by pulses and pulses are composed of particles. It means sound and images, come to us via particles. And particles never evaporate. They are there forever. Someday, we will be able to hear our old voices, see our old images, created in past lives. These pulses were created by our bodies and transmitted by sound vibrations; the same pulses we generate and transmit through our sound and image, to the entire universe.
Umeshwari It means the past and present pulses generated by us are stored in particles for ever.
Shantnu Not only that but even the pulses generated by inert world, are also stored for ever.
Umeshwari That also indicate particles are conscious and they have immense storage capacity.
Shantnu Our head is small, smaller still is our brain and its cells are even still smaller. Imagine the size of the conscious which abides in them. We can presume the size of consciousness (mind) is equal to that of a particle. This small particle of ours is capable of storing the total knowledge of the cosmos. Scientist will, someday, invent a ‘pulse-meter’ capable of decoding all the stored voices and images, in those particles.
Umeshwari What kind of energy empower them to function?
Shantnu Madam, scientists have gone to the sub-atom field level and have found that three fourth parts of the particles is vacant (space) and the remaining one fourth is a mass moving around at an astronomical speed. They are real unifier of the cosmos and their living conscious too. They take their energy from love, whose source is also love. And love is not energy. It is the creator of energy. You know, love is not explosive but sublime. And the nature of particles is also sublime.
Umeshwari But, love sometimes takes the forms of voluptuousness, lust and passion.
Shantnu When explosive energy field engulfs it, it degenerates in the company of lower tendencies but it never loses its original nature. Only, lower tendencies give it different forms. You must have observed, the particles absorb heat and cold but remain in constant form. They are excellent absorbent of heat, cold or their numerous variations but they themselves are unaffected.
Umeshwari So we have to concentrate our mind to its original state and that is possible only if we withdraw it from objective world. But won’t we constrict it by withdrawing from external world?
Shantnu We have just known the size of our ‘conscious is very small like a particle but it is linked to cosmic consciousness via dancing particles, abounding the entire universe.
Umeshwari That shows by withdrawing we don’t lose contact with the world outside but become rather, more aware. How to do that?
Shantnu Going by the same route, pulses had transmitted the sound and images. When our mind contacts an object, a sensation arises in our body. Pulses seemingly enter our pours and via nerves, create sensation. Picking their impulse from brain cells, emotion engulfs us. The mind decodes these emotions and an idea (thought) is born. In other way, if we want to recollect or remember a scene, a person or an association, our mind focuses at the relevant memory chamber (center); it scans and segregates the emotions stored therein. But there are trillions of emotions in each of its memory center and each caters to one subject only
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Umeshwari What is the difference between the storage system of space and brain?
Shantnu Baser life, engrossed in lower tendencies, exude similar sounds and images, which are stored in lower levels of earth’s atmosphere. As earth’s atmosphere is the basis for our life on earth, so anything relating to earth, is confined within its atmosphere. Vibrations of lower tendencies remain within earth’s atmosphere. As the level of thoughts assumes more subtle forms their sound and images rise above the confines of earth and reach higher levels. But our mind is choosy. It has developed a sense of likes/dislikes, good/bad, gain/loss etc. and it attaches itself more towards positive side than the negative. So baser emotions (ideas) though initially stored at lower levels but mind relegate them further to its far niches.
Umeshwari But there are subtle ideas in its repository, such as, its own creations (shells). The world it has created with its imaginations, not based on actual experience but entirely its creations: Are those also stored in the brain cells?
Shantnu Positively. As ideas are the language of decoded emotions, the ideas (thoughts) it store in the cells, are as a result of its (senses) experiences, as well as the one’s it created in its imagination. What it could not enjoy through its normal mediums of senses, it creates similar, even better situations (in its imagination) and revels in them. The emotional content of these emotions is a bit stale; that’s why it hankers after worldly objects again and again. But its (mind) power of imagination is as potent as that of the creational force. Besides taking pleasure from objective world it creates a better world in its imagination and enjoys their subtle fruits.
Umeshwari Then what is the difference between the two? In one case it contacts the external world and in second it creates its own world but in both the cases it enjoys their fruits in subtle form.
Shantnu First idea (thought) was born as a result of actual experience or via visual contact, whereas the second one is based on delusion created by it (mind).
Umeshwari Then imagination has further made our task more complicated. Firstly, it is the incomplete data received via incompetent nineteen agencies and to top that it (mind) has created its own agencies like, fantasy, auto-suggestion, imagination and intuition etc.
Shantnu Auto-suggestion and intuition are quite different. Auto suggestion is a means to correct its direction whereas intuition comes from deeper regions, which are out of its reach.
Umeshwari It is really a wile fellow. It craves for enjoyment and gets it from any source or it creates, recreate its own worlds, situations, persons or conditions and try to experience the same enjoyment from them by exciting similar emotions. Now I get your points. I will try to trace back the origin of an idea. My mind now thinks that I love you. The idea of love is based on the emotional attachments I have developed with you. And the cause of my emotions was a unique sensation, I felt in your company which I had not felt with others as strongly as I did with you. Those sensations were the result of initial contact when my mind, through its agencies, felt attracted by your body charms, beauty and the contours with which you disposed yourself. Your pulses or mind entered my pores and my body exuded those vibrations in the shape of sensations. So my memory cells have stored these love feelings the intense moments when I feel strong emotions in your company. When I am sitting alone, in my memory, I remember that moment, every detail of our contact and I feel thrilled. Even when you are lying in the next room your memory gives me more pleasant feelings than your actual presence. It shows initially body contact is essential but when one loves a person as I do, then one can sustain on pleasant memories alone. The body is relegated to personality which too transforms in to a memory.
Shantnu Rightly observed. But mind has another aspect also, a dangerous one. It seeks shelter…
Umeshwari Mind and shelter! These two are opposite poles, as it is the mind can, which can make a man realize the ‘Reality’ and also make, him master of the world! Genius, scholars, scientists, great generals, explorers, astronauts and what not, it can create if its energies are channeled that way. Or it can make top-class criminals, despots, evil geniuses, if baser tendencies are focused this way. It can take a man to dizzy heights in arts and music and other forms of finer qualities or it can make him a Satan. Both ways mind achieves the optimums. But it seeks shelter! I am baffled by your statement. Sometimes you become a dangerous teacher.
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Shantnu You have tagged me with too many epithets…
Umeshwari Oh, no, epithets and that too for you!
Shantnu I know I am still a living entity. But the adjective and the prefixes, you are tagging to, is a dead person. Previously you said I am a philosopher. I know I am not a philosopher. So I did not protest because if I am called a person that I am not, the fault lies with the person who categorizes me as such. And if on the other hand, I am labeled with a quality that I possess, again I am not bothered or elated because I know that already.
Umeshwari Such equanimity only a philosopher possess.
Shantnu Umesh ‘possess’ word forebodes the sense of pride, whereas the fact is, I possess nothing. When you met me I had nothing valuable with me except a cloth bag…
Umeshwari By the way, what that bag contains? Perhaps, it might contain a key to your past.
Shantnu Surely, a key to my past, but not a key with which I can open my closed door of lost memory.
Umeshwari But by your knowledge, it is obvious, you are…
Shantnu Use the word ‘seeker’. Now I do not mind. It bothers me no longer. I have come to know that my memory loss (relating to my past-person) is not connected with any accident or incident. I have thoroughly analyzed; it is not a case of memory lapse otherwise I would not be able to use my ‘knowledge’ (intellect) which, definitely I acquired before I lost my memory! I recollect every book I read, but can’t recall where I read them. Past people, past places and past relationships are completely wiped out except a bit of intellect, which I have, seemingly regained by digressing with you. So I am not going to open my bag till I regain my past, of course, you can, if you desire so.
Umeshwari Some day, I will. Now about ‘shelter’ aspect of mind!
Shantnu Our mind, powerful as it is, sometimes behaves at such a low level that it seems illogical to associate it with zenith heights it is capable of achieving. It becomes so weak that even weaklings (in animal categories) become giants, when compared to it in that state of level. By its nature of contact, desires impel it for attachments, affection and love. Where it does not receive a positive response, either it grabs that object and destroys it or it conceives a better one in its imagination. But, when it is over-powered with intense feeling of liking, it obstinately remains attached. Danger to life, self humiliation, abuses or thrashing does not shy it way. But in the height of passion, it derives its vessels to that object. You might have seen people trailing you like a dog. You may spurn, abuse or even threaten them with dire consequences, but under the influence of their passion, they are braced to you, like a vine. They are so much enamored of you, they will submit, yield, degrade to any depth just to hear your voice, a whiff of concern or a word of sympathy would enthrall them and they would swoon in joy.
Umeshwari But, it’s their weak will-power, lack of love and sympathy, that prompts such behavior.
Shantnu Right, but weak will-power is also the state of our mind. It is the same mind that scales Mount Everest and it is the same mind that bends before your beauty. Mutual love creates sense of equanimity, whereas in the present case, the supplicant is displaying his weakness of character. He is not even in the grip of positive or negative tendencies. He is devoid of them. Even his passion is not charged completely under the spell of his weak mind.
Umeshwari May be his weakness is the result of denied benefits of society; or he is really in love. Madness of love stoops a man to any levels.
Shantnu Denial of benefit should not weaken a person; he should endeavor to rise above them. As regards, madness of love, love does not deprave or degrade a person but on the other hand, makes him fully contained, like Gopi and Angelee. Love does not beg or borrow. It does not require two persons to love but just be one-self. You say that you love me. Have I so far responded to your love? But you have not supplicated yourself, or submitted like a weakling. You are, as I observe, full of self-confidence. If ever, I also love you, like you do, we shall be fully contained in each other. It is not your fault. My heart has not, as yet, developed such strong emotions, which could turn them into love. Not that I am feeling barren. I am intensely involved with you and I have strong feelings of liking but love has not bloomed in me so far.
Umeshwari Now, I understand what you are deriving at; submission, cowardice and pity, deceit and betrayal are also its characteristics. Are these inherited or acquired?
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Shantnu Weaker aspects breed because of selfishness. In case a person is strong, intelligent, hard working and zestful, he either acquires or grabs what he wants. But those who cannot do either go into their shells or submit and compromise with the situation. They go on compromising till their self-respect is totally defused and they become mental wrecks. They stoop so low that others take pity on them and spurn them. They accept it and stoop still more.
Umeshwari Shantnu, this talk has depressed me and I want no more of this. Please love me, my energies are famished. Perhaps I too have stooped low in your esteem but I don’t care.
Shantnu Umesh, darling, if it pleases you, I can go to my lowest levels just to be near you, when you are away even for a few moments; I anxiously wait for your presence. Your temporary absence creates a vacuum in me that only, your presence fills. I am not that fortunate yet, that I could live on your pleasant memories.
He held her in his strong arms and closed his eyes. He could not digest the fact that such a beautiful and intelligent woman was in his arms. That she loved him, the very thought burst his hearts’ seams and joy out flowed, which he could hardly contain and share it with her, with trembling body and sublime mind. Such intense feelings infected her body also and she sought more and more of his body’s shelter. Here, her shelter was not of weakness of mind as with him her mind winged off and she lay with him, in complete surrender of herself. In him, she found love, though at the moment he did not realize, it was his love that had attracted him to her.
Fifth night, they spent in each others warmth but realization has dawned upon them that their physical selves were drifting apart. They needed each other, sustained on each other but identity of each was contracting itself from the external world and containing in itself. Both had tasted the glow of their consciousness which attracted them more than the superfluous glamour, of material world. Now more than seeking from each other, they began seeking inside. Having been there recently, they relished it fervently.
Next day, sitting in her lawn, savoring the sweetness of her orchard filling the airs, wafting through the wildness of the mountainous forests, both drank their freshness and their emotions displayed the tipsiness in their general behavior, talk and melancholy mood.
Umeshwari I foresee our parting time in near, so I want to get the maximum fulfillment during our remaining days here.
Shantnu Umesh does physical presence matter! You, yourself, were telling me, you enjoyed our memories more than physical proximity. Every phase has its charm and each phase leaves its memory in the shape of pulses in our brain cells.
Umeshwari Everything in the world has form and name; of what shape is our mind, even though it is subtle?
Shantnu You know, every object in nature when it is on its zenith it glows as beauty, expressing out it emits signals of love which are sublime but effulgent. Consciousness too is love and its nature is effulgence, which it draws from cosmos, which again is a splendor of unique brightness. Our conscious (mind) is an invisible spot in our forehead which glows with concentrated body’s currents emitting from spinal cord (kundalani). You see, when positive and negative body currents meet they emit a powerful charge, which is stored in the batteries of spinal cord. From them its pulses travel to brain cells, which transmit their message via nerves. Our consciousness hovers over brain cells and makes us aware of the world.
Umeshwari You mean, our awareness lies in our memory cells.
Shantnu Exactly, our consciousness does not contact the outside world directly. Whatever our agencies (senses) observe, they send the data to the brain cells, which store it and the hovering mind picks the signals. It all takes place simultaneously giving the impression that it was the mind that observed.
Umeshwari But you said previously, it is our conscious (mind) which observe.
Shantnu Conscious has two channels of contact with the external world. One through senses and the second is direct. But in both the cases, it is the conscious (concentrated body currents) that invigorate our senses and necessary sensations ensue and transmit those (sensation/pulses) to the brain from where they initially arose.
Umeshwari You mean, first our memory cells capture the impression of sound and images and thereafter the mind becomes conscious of them.
Shantnu Take my case, I have lost my memory. Though my consciousness is in good condition but it is unable to uncover or detect those pulses, relating to my past (person), or, whatever we want to recollect past images, our mind finds them in the storage of brain cells.
Umeshwari But we perceive the external world directly
