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We are by nature tribal and our first allegiance is to family then to tribe or nation.
It is how natural selection has created us to survive. That means we find it very difficult to regard the whole of humanity as one tribe. We have engineered a pyramid of wealth with elites at the top and destitute at the bottom layer.
Go to any football match if you doubt our tribal nature , it often causes violence or even death. The society we have is a result of our evolutionary baggage as pointed by the evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker.

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Originally Posted by Ecurb

The notion that immigrants must assimilate, bowing to the customs, laws, and mores of the dominant culture doesn't sit very well with us Americans, who, after all, failed to adopt Native American religions, laws, customs, and economic systems when we emigrated to this continent.

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Bolded - Speak for yourself, not for 'us Americans'.

As for the Native American example, I wonder how you can be ignorant regarding the point you're actually making. Where I grew up (Banff Alberta) there's a native reserve called Morley about 40 minutes away, where my mom used to teach. Living conditions 'on the res' aren't great, but what's worse are the standards of education, and the rampant social problems like drug and alcohol addiction, child abuse, child negligence, fetal alcohol syndrome, obesity, depression, and suicide. It's not unusual for kids to be illiterate in high-school, and the entire place is B-L-E-A-K. What you're suggesting in your post is that mass "immigration" (in fact it was more like a conquest) by Europeans to the Americas was savagely destructive to the Native American peoples and their traditional way of life, and so, because of this, you expect me to accept that this absolute and total destruction and supersession of one people by another can, and should, happen again with the argument that: "well, 500 years ago people who had the same skin colour as I do began a process which resulted in the almost complete eradication of an entire continent of people and so I shouldn't protest if the same happens to me, my family, and my descendants today." Are you out of your ****ing mind?

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Originally Posted by Ecurb

Many Americans (and most Trump supporters) think we were justified in maintaining our European religions, laws, and political systems; we thought them superior to those of the Natives.

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I dunno about superior to those of the Natives, but superior to those of the Arab and North African world? Absolutely; it would be hard to not be superior to that pile of **** they call a culture.

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Originally Posted by Ecurb

So is the notion that draconian bans on immigration (which clearly limit individual freedom of movement) somehow enhance human liberty. Such bans might enhance the welfare of protected and advantaged citizens; they might promote homogeneity and hence prevent discord; but they so clearly limit human liberty that only complex and abstruse arguments can suggest otherwise.

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Who gives a **** about overall human liberty? The nation and its institutions exist to protect the citizens. I don't want human liberty if it means people can break into my house where my wife and children are asleep (not that I have a wife or children), and I don't care a whit about the supposed liberty (which only exists in your mind) of people to enter into a country illegally. Private property exists. Deal with it you Marxist ****. How many illiterate third world Muslim 'refugees' are you putting up on your own property right now? Zero, you ****.

Such bans might enhance the welfare of protected and advantaged citizens; they might promote homogeneity and hence prevent discord

Sounds pretty good to me. And the only trade off is some ******* who wants to turn Western Europe into a caliphate governed according to religious law won't be able to do so? Where do I sign up!?