Sin

you are right togre, my parents define them selves to date and competly
correct as "of God's Grace" leaders of the Guelphen Bloodline, but unfotunately, till
today, heirs like me, born 1991, must pay for one evil and mad emperor, Wilhelm 2, because
he wanted to be like "God of the Gods". I hate him entirely, because he started whole WW1.
He paid Lenin his secret invasion of Russia, because he wanted Lenin to start the october revolution.
He killed his cousin and his family. He murdered my greatgranddaddy, because he, Wilhelm 2, thought
every Monarchy is changing too strong to modern humanism, away with their stupid military uniforms, was to much for
him. the unique woman, who tried to love this bastard was his grandmother, Queen Victoria, because she saw the extrem danger for every country in Europa by this evil and angry crownprince of prussia.

Let's not be too wimpy about our sins. I say that if ten events in your life could be viewed by anyone, you would not be liked or trusted by anyone again, unless your mother is still alive. She might trust you and she might not.

It would only take ten of your "sins" to convince any strangers that you are worthless and not to be trusted and the world would truly be better off without your kind, though you have committed far more than ten despicable acts, my cheerful friends. We only need the ten most despicable of your deeds. Then we are willing to put the farm up against you, whoever and wherever you are.

Somewhere there is an aging preacher man who followed the teachings of the wise one faithfully. From the thousands he counseled, helped and guided, yet ten events can surely be found which gnaw at him as hard as the memories of a murderer. When those that view his events also share his mind during those events, he will be condenmed. He may be given token foregiveness as proscribed by the church, but that is not the same as trusting and believing in him.

Ten events, and no one in their right minds would trust you again, they would only act like they did because they had to. That which is crooked cannot be made straight. Did the bible just make a reference to original sin?

John Wesley's mother:

"Take this rule: whatever weakens your reason, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes off your relish of spiritual things; in short, whatever increases the strength and authority of your body over your mind, that thing is sin to you, however innocent it may be in itself."
— Susanna Wesley (Letter, June 8, 1725)

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Originally Posted by tblue818

John Wesley's mother:

"Take this rule: whatever weakens your reason, impairs the tenderness of your conscience, obscures your sense of God, or takes off your relish of spiritual things; in short, whatever increases the strength and authority of your body over your mind, that thing is sin to you, however innocent it may be in itself."
— Susanna Wesley (Letter, June 8, 1725)

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That makes sense. It makes me wonder how real sin is.

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Originally Posted by YesNo

That makes sense. It makes me wonder how real sin is.

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You wonder if the guy shooting people at random or buggering little boys is really sinning, eh?

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Originally Posted by desiresjab

Somewhere there is an aging preacher man who followed the teachings of the wise one faithfully. From the thousands he counseled, helped and guided, yet ten events can surely be found which gnaw at him as hard as the memories of a murderer. When those that view his events also share his mind during those events, he will be condenmed. He may be given token foregiveness as proscribed by the church, but that is not the same as trusting and believing in him.

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I agree. Which shows how otherworldly God's forgiveness is. He does know those ten things--and yet he forgives. From the heart loving without reservation. Taking away the guilt (responsibility or culpability as well as feelings of guilt) of our sins. Wow! But I'm straying from the topic at hand...

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Originally Posted by togre

I agree. Which shows how otherworldly God's forgiveness is. He does know those ten things--and yet he forgives. From the heart loving without reservation. Taking away the guilt (responsibility or culpability as well as feelings of guilt) of our sins. Wow! But I'm straying from the topic at hand...

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I do not worry about straying from topics. Here is a stray. Would the creator of an advanced simulation love his creations like his own children, or would this creator have the detached mentality of a scientist preparing a lab monkey for surgery?

No matter how one cuts it, we are simulations. We are only not simulations if reductionism is right and everything came about through random chance. In that case, we were not created and we are not simulations. As soon as one accepts creationism and that we were created from scratch, a logical person who has truly thought it over, accepts that we are simulations. We are simulations of the creator. Our very lives are simulated lives, which feel very real. No one could prove they are not real. The creator did not make copies of itself, it made simulations, which is what is meant by "image" in the Bible. Yes, we are alive, but we are not as much alive as the creator, who is probably a finite being itself. What does that make us? That makes us the creations of a finite being.

Maybe this finite God does love its diluted creations. Perhaps it identifies with us heavily for some reason. It can watch every move and know every thought with tools we could not dream of now. It would be nice if this creator has indeed prepared an afterlife for his simulations, identifying with us that strongly. Would this creator have done the same for dogs or mosquitos?