Capitalism Versus Great Literature

Why should literature be confined to the four squares of the page? Why not write literature on walls? Why not write literature on bathroom walls? Why not write literature on the sky?

My assumption is that writers have found that books have proven a greater medium for reaching their audience than bathroom walls.

Envision an earthquake as a poem, envision a hurricane as a poem, envision a black hole in outer space as a poem...

Not unlike Stockhausen's assertion that the attack on the World Trade Center of 9.11 was the greatest collective achievement of ART? Perhaps Auschwitz was just a big work of performance Art?

I wish I could be nicer in this essay, but I must speak my mind. Why do you (you meaning most writers) hide behind your conventional stories and your conventional grammar?

Perhaps others find no need to break from traditional spelling/grammar. Perhaps they find such to be but mere gimmicks.

Is your mind incapable of imagining anything else? Or are you just too lazy to push yourself into doing something different?

And can we not invert the question and ask why do you find you need to employ literary gimmicks, profanity, and vulgarities? Is your mind incapable of imagining anything else?

Anyway, why should letters be confined to their present form? ... look at Arabic calligraphy, Chinese characters, and graffiti murals to see how beautiful/creative letters & words & phrases can be.

You are speaking of letters/words/text as visual art. Yes, these are all visually spectacular...

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What you are speaking of is a hybrid Art Form... like opera and other musical theater, the theater itself, film, etc...

There is an entire genre referred to as the "book arts"... a genre in which I worked for a period of some 5 years or so... in which visual artists have toyed with all that you propose and far more. There are artists who deconstruct the book as a sculptural object:

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The German Artist, Anselm Kiefer has scrawled poems across the surface of his huge paintings...

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... created books of lead pages inscribed with astronomical/astrological star charts and Cabalistic texts...

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... even created "books" encased under glass filled with clothing, plants, even earth from Egypt and the Middle East:

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The artist Adolf Wolfli (see above) was far more audacious than our beloved Wolf. While a patient in the Waldau Psychiatric Institute he created an autobiographical epic of some 25,000 pages employing collage, drawings, paintings, text, musical scores (utilizing his own invented method of scoring), etc...

Get with the program, Wolf. Book Artists have experimented with a range of approaches to the book and text that you have not even begun to imagine.

And why shouldn't we write orgies? What's wrong with orgies? We are told that pornography is bad. No it's not! Pornography is wonderful!

Didn't Cacian and I already have this discussion? How do you define "pornography"? The dictionary definitions of "pornography" vs "erotica" read as follows:

The "erotic" (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—"desire") is defined as that which causes sexual feelings, as well as a philosophical contemplation concerning the aesthetics of sexual desire, sensuality and romantic love. Pornography (derived from the Greek words πόρνη [pornē "prostitute"] and πορνεία [porneia "prostitution"] and and the Greek word γράφειν (graphein "to write or to record", or illustrate/draw). Pornography involves the explicit representation of sexual display or sexual acts. The Erotic need not. Some may find certain clothing, music, a person's voice, scents/perfumes, images that do not involve involves the explicit representation of sexual display or sexual acts to be "erotic".

By these definitions Art History is laden with "pornographic" art. There are endless examples by the Greeks, Romans, Persians, Indians, Renaissance, 18th/19th/20th century Europeans/Americans.

Why not write wonderful Baroque-Rococo works of pornography?

John Wilmot, Pierre Louÿs, L'Ecole des Filles, Dialogues of Luisa Sigea, Sodom, or the Quintessence of Debauchery, Thérèse Philosophe, Fanny Hill, the Marquis de Sade, The Lifted Curtain or Laura's Education, etc... And there are endless examples of "pornographic" paintings and prints of the Rococo period.

Why not prove that pornography can be artistic? Why not prove that pornography can be the greatest works of literature ever created by mankind?!

Sometimes it is. One need only look at Titian's Venus d'Urbino, Japanese Shunga, or the Khajuraho temples in India.

In fact, I have a book of poetry named Pornography! (It has no pictures.) Look at how popular pornography is! The problem is, there's too much bad pornography!

And there is just as much bad art and literature of a moral/ethical/religious nature... or of any genre you can think of.

What we need is to create wonderful pornography! Creative pornography! The best works of literature should be positively pornographic!

Every artist SHOULD only create that which he or she desires and believes in. If you believe in creating artistically wonderful pornography... then that is what you should be doing.

Why do novels need characters? Why do novels and short stories need plots?

Certainly there are novels, short stories... "fictions" as J.L. Borges referred to them... that stretch and challenge about every standard of traditional fiction. Have you read Lawrence Sterne, J.L. Borges, Julio Cortazar, Fernando Pessoa, Cesar Vallejo, etc...?

Why should literature be confined to traditional grammar? Why not make up your own grammar? If 20th century classical musicians could invent the 12 tone scale why can't you do the same with grammar?

Have you listened much to Schoenberg, Berg, Webern and their heirs? Personally I find much of it hard-going and not all that pleasant to listen to.

Why couldn't you invent something called 12 tone grammar? Why shouldn't each one of your works have a different form of grammar? Why not?

You've heard of James Joyce, right?

Some people whine about "obscenity". Perhaps these are the same kinds of people that helped get endless works of literature censored and banned in the recent past.

At last! Something I fully agree with.

Perhaps Puritanism and the obstruction of our natural sex drives is one of the leading causes of so-called "writers block". You block out everything that others may have an objection to – even your own so-called "morality" is perhaps blocking you from writing the great literature you're destined to write!

Don't expect to write great literature if you're all repressed! You don't think there's a connection between being repressed and "writers block"? Just write what comes into your head! To hell with what everybody else thinks! I'll tell you one thing: literature is not served by censorship, whether that censorship is from others or from yourself. Stop practicing self-censorship!

Again... there is some truth to this. I turn to a work of art to read/listen to/see the strong, unique "voice" of an individual... not a voice curtailed out of fear of not being acceptable. I suspect self-censorship is far more detrimental than external censorship. Many older writers, poets, musicians... think of early Jazz and Blues musicians... created diamonds under the pressure. Compare the witty and creative double entendre or hidden meanings of the lyrics by the old Blues singers to the endless stream of "f***" and "b****" by many of today's rappers who are free from censorship.

Creative writing therefore is a form of confrontation. When you write what you want to write without self-censorship you are confronting all of the ignorance that's holding literature back. The social values of any time in history are merely the social values of that political/economic structure and its ruling class. (The ruling class themselves rarely live according to these "values" – but they expect everybody else to live according to these "values" – especially writers – because writers can be dangerous to the status quo.) Many of these "values" are merely a form of trying to induce conformity, so that the masses are under control and do not threaten the ruling class and its political/economic structure. There is nothing natural about the "values" of the societies of the sick world of today. To hell with these hypocritical "moral values". You have to fight to write what you want to write! And if you don't have to fight to write would you want to write than maybe you're doing something wrong.

OK. Agreed. The Artist should create that which comes to mind... that which he or she is obsessed with and passionately believes in. This need not always be vulgar or pornographic or violent... but it should not exclude urges which one fears others might find unacceptable if these are what one truly desires to express/convey.

Again, I must say something impolite, my apologies. But why do normal people even bother writing? What do normal people have to contribute to literature? If there's nothing unusual about you, if you don't have anything original to say, then why do you bother? I think the best literature comes from those who are unique – or have some unique experiences – or have something unique to say – or have some new unique literature to give to the reading public.

Of course the question becomes, how do you define "normal"? There are any number of examples of individuals who on the surface appeared wholly "normal"... yet had truly unique voices or visions as artists. At the same time... the art world is full of poseurs putting on the facade of "weirdness" or being the "outsider" who achieve little or nothing as artists.

OK... this dialog has gone on long enough. I need to get up early... and spend the day in my studio... painting 7 foot tall "pornographic" paintings. :lol:

The universe is already nothing but meaningless nonsense anyway. Doing something thoughtfully is therefore more rebellious than doing something carelessly.

Man, St. Luke's Guild is one smart poster. This guy knows his shipped. (Funny thing is, the voice recognition software I use doesn't want to say shipped, it always says shipped.) This voice recognition software doesn't say any of the best words in English language – another example of the Puritanism I've been talking about. Apparently, St. Luke's Guild and I have at least some agreement in that area.

We don't agree about Schoenburg & Weben. I love them! I still have about 100 CDs of 20 century classical music. (Yes, CDs! Maybe books will go the way of the CD. Maybe.)

St. Luke's Guild talks about some creative writers, some which I was familiar with and others not. When St. Luke's Guild talks about examples of creative writers I usually go check them out as soon as I have time. St. Luke's Guild knows a lot of stuff!

However, the fact remains these creative writers are exceptions to the rule. Mostly, what the literary world is good for is turning out endless airport novels. Airport novels and more airport novels and more airport novels... And then there's endless aspiring airport novelists. They're a dime a dozen. Most of them are very talented at putting the commas and periods in the right place. But if they have an exciting story to tell well why not read it? But there's still no creativity there.

There'll always be exceptions. There'll always be creative people doing something unique. St. Luke's Guild gave us some examples.

Another problem is creative people who write creative stuff that's dry and boring. There's no shortage of that either. Yawn!

I looked up St. Luke's Guild on the Internet. Pretty cool.

Sex and Literature
An Essay by Wolf Larsen

WARNING: STOP READING NOW IF YOU ARE A PURITAN. A PURITAN IS SOMEBODY WHO IS AGAINST SEX. IF YOU ARE AGAINST SEX PLEASE STOP READING NOW. IN ADDITION, THE MAYFLOWER IS DEPARTING BACK TO ENGLAND IN THE NEXT HOUR. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE STOP READING IF YOU ARE AGAINST SEX. AND FEEL FREE TO PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH AND NOT HAVE SEX. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. FOR THE THIRD TIME – STOP READING NOW IF YOU ARE AGAINST SEX! GO READ SOMETHING ELSE INSTEAD IF YOU ARE AGAINST SEX!

The page is an open legged slut begging for the writer's words! Your pen is a phallus! If you are a woman think of your pen as a strap-on dildo! Have sex with the page! **** and **** and **** the page! Think of the words on the page as your spermatozoa! Think of the words on the page as your pussy juices!

Writing is a sexual experience! Writing is best done when you are in a state of abandonment that is closer to sex than anything else! Writing is best when you let your inhibitions run wild!

The time has come for orgies at poetry readings! Let sex open up all the channels of creativity! Let sex be our greatest inspiration! Sex and writing and writing and sex!! Let's have massive orgies in the streets! The orgies in the streets can be the inspiration for our poetry and our literature! We should paint massive erotic murals of words on every empty wall of every building in the universe! Let these erotic murals be a combination of images & words & phalluses & anuses & mouths!

All poetry & literature should be drooling in sex!!

There is nothing more inspirational than the naked human body! Celebrate the female nude! Celebrate the male nude! Write naked! The best way to write is to write naked! I'm naked right now! Everybody let's all get naked and write the grand literature of immaculate conception together!

The greatest religion is the religion of sin! The religion of sin & literature & sex should be a menage a trois on every page!

Let's go to the parks and rip off our clothes and write poetry naked together! Let us all write one great obscene poem together! Let's run through the streets naked and scream out poetry! Let saxophone players play their jazz naked! Let musicians at Orchestra Hall play Beethoven & Mozart naked! Let all the listeners in the audience at Orchestra Hall be naked while they listen to Beethoven & Mozart!

Moon audiences at poetry readings! Why not? (I did.) If I did it why not you?

Writing is a sexual experience! Poetry and music are twins – and sex and music are twins – the rhythms of poetry is the rhythms of music and the rhythms of music are the rhythms of sex – so therefore the rhythms of poetry are the rhythms of sex! Without sex there is no poetry! Without sexual excitement there is no excitement in poetry! Poetry should be exciting! Poetry should be alive! Poetry should be dripping in sex!

All writers & poets & creative people should have as much sex as possible! Sex is the fountain of creativity! If you don't have anybody to have sex with than have sex with your hands or with a battery-operated toy!

There is no such thing as inappropriate in literature! The more inappropriate the literature the better!! The more inappropriate the literature the more it is not being straitjacketed by the uptight puritanical literary world!

Sex is good! Profanity is good! Literature should be as profane as possible! Life is a huge profanity! This green & blue vomit of our planet is nothing but a bunch of profanity! Literature filled with profanity is nothing more than a reflection of a world filled with profanity! Fill the world with your Jism! Fill the world with your poetry! There's absolutely no difference between Jism & poetry! There is absolutely no difference between pussy juices & poetry! They are one and the same!

We should spray paint poetry on all the walls of all the buildings around us! We should spray paint poetry on all of the moving objects – cars, trains, trucks, airplanes, space satellites – so that everything will be a constantly moving poetry! This way, we can turn the highways & streets & outerspace into a constantly-changing-spontaneous-everything-poetry!

Poetry should be an outerspace experience! Poetry should create the universe! Poetry should create all the stars & planets & sons & moons in the universe! Phrases of poetry should fly out in outer space and swim around the planets!

Everything is sex! Literature is sex! Outerspace is sex!

The best place to write your literature is on bathroom walls!

The best place to write poetry is on your genitals and on the genitals of others! The best place to write poetry is on our naked bodies and on everyone else's naked bodies! We should all attend poetry readings naked! Everyone that works in bookstores should be naked! It should be mandatory to take your clothes off and be naked when you enter a bookstore or library!

Libraries feel dead! The time has come to change the ambience of libraries! First of all, all the employees of all the libraries in all the world should be naked while inside the library! Regardless of whether they are ugly or pretty or handsome or old or young or fat or skinny everyone in the library – including the patrons – must be naked! And most of all, orgy should be held in libraries, to make knowledge & reading sexy!

Everyone must be naked when they attend literature classes in university! This is the best way to understand literature! Naked naked naked! Having sex with fellow students at literature lectures should be optional – that is it should be based on mutual consent – whether this mutual consent is between two or 200 students!

The best way to understand literature is to read advant-garde literature while people have massive orgies! It is imperative to combine sex & literature! Otherwise – without sex – how do you expect people to understand literature? Look at the Puritans! Puritans don't understand literature! Literature should include the freeing of all the imagination & animal desires & demons & everything else inside of you! Throw it all on the page like one great big orgasm of words!
Puritans don't understand literature! Puritans think that literature is some dry, straitjacketed, Lysol, bacteria-free, spermatozoa-free, pussy juices free zone – and they're wrong! Literature is ideally filled with spermatozoa and penises and vaginas and anuses and sex and hormones! The Puritans are doing more to destroy literature than even the corporate publishing houses! The biggest enemies of great literature are inside the literary world! These Puritans are like a Trojan horse inside of the world of literature!

There is no reason not to include our household pets in literature! Household pets should be welcome to participate in literary events! In fact, there is no reason not to include sheep & wild animals in literary events! There is no reason not to butcher a calf at literary events – because literature should be a sexual pagan event! Let's eat our dogs & cats at literary events! Yummy!

We should build temples of literature where he sacrifice animals to the gods of literature and where we have lots of sex & poetry & novels & literary graffiti! We should have human sacrifices to the greatness of literature! Human sacrifices & whips & S&M dungeons & poetry & music & cannibalism!

There is no reason not to make literary events more delicious! As literature is being read out loud there is no reason why we can't eat exotic foods and smear exotic foods all over our bodies and write poetry all over each other's naked bodies with exotic foods! Literature should taste good! Eating and sex and literature are all the same thing! And we should have live music! And drugs! And alcohol! And we should have painting! Literary events should be absolutely pornographic!

All politicians should be ordered to stop making political speeches at once! Instead, all politicians when they address the nation should speak in abstract poetry! When the president of the United States of America gives his State of the Union address he should do so while completely naked, and he should only speak abstract poetry. The less the poetry actually makes sense the better!

It should become absolutely mandatory that literature make absolutely no sense! The less sense that a book or poem makes the better!

The time has come to charge the fortress of Puritanism! We should all jump naked on our horses and with our pornographic literature in our hands we should assault the puritanical literary world! We should gather outside the walls of the puritanical literary world and use catapults to catapult pornographic literature & dildos & blowup dolls & everything else sexual into the literary world! We should smash down the walls of the puritanical literary world and then we should smash the puritanical world into rubble and on the dust of the puritanical literary world we should have a giant orgy called literature!

Literature is an orgy of words! Puritans should be fed to the lions at once!

Disclaimer: I do not actually advocate human sacrifices, cannibalism, or feeding anyone to the lions.

You won the avant-garde poetry contest: http://www.online-literature.com/for...65#post1265165

What's the next avant-garde theme? I've got a couple poems I'd like to submit if they fit. I suppose you could have the next context right in this thread.

Thank you!

Maybe not in this thread. I kind of want to keep this thread open to debate on literature.

I'll send you a private message soon.

Wolf, for someone so against grammer and punctuation you sure are fond of exclamation marks

If You Can't Beat Them, Then Why Not Join Them?
An essay by Wolf Larsen

WARNING: PURITANICAL PERSONS WHO ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ANYTHING SEXUAL MAY WISH TO CLICK OFF THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW! Thank you for your understanding.

I have often joked that the big publishing conglomerates are nothing more than big whorehouses, and that literary agents are really literary pimps. But then what does that make many writers?

Well, that depends what you're writing, no? Hey, if some big publishing corporation offered me a big advance to write an airport novel, I'd whore myself out to them. (Wouldn't you know it but the voice recognition software I use doesn't wanna write whore or flock. I have to take extra time to spell it out.)

So, since the revolution isn't exactly going to happen tomorrow morning we starving writers have to make a living somehow under this capitalist system. And, looking to the five whorehouses for inspiration, I mean the five sisters, or the five publishing conglomerates for inspiration – I'm thinking why shouldn't we writers open a whorehouse of our own? That way, we could compete with the five publishing conglomerates on equal terms.

Now when I say whorehouse I mean that in every sense of the word. And I Wolf Larsen will be happy to represent you all as your literary pimp. Just think how hard it is these days to get a literary pimp – also known as literary agent – so I'm sure many of you will be thankful to me for pimping you out. (Guess what? This voice recognition software doesn't wanna say pimp either. What Puritans!)

Now going back to this whorehouse of ours. This could be a very profitable business venture! Especially for me, your literary pimp, because I'm going to collect 15% of all proceeds. Now what I was thinking is that attractive members of the writing community could be engaged in certain types of business activities in our publishing whorehouse. Less attractive members of our writing community could also be engaged in similar business activities, but behind a wall with a hole in it. Others could be involved in cleanup and sanitation activities. Still others in security. And still others in serving drinks and whatnot.

This very profitable venture could finance our publishing activities. Now of course, some books will be more profitable than others. And of course, as your literary pimp I will take 15% from this end of the business as well. However, in this manner everyone can be respectably published from a traditional publisher. The establishment of our publishing whorehouse conglomeratcy would also have the benefit of reestablishing the number six – as in the six sisters or the six publishing whorehouses.

What would we do with the profits? Well here I would also take 15%. Because I'm your literary pimp. However, some of the profits could be shared amongst the prostitute-writers. Another part of the profits could be used to promote books, and others to promote our publishing whorehouse conglomeratcy.

I think that we should give our publishing whorehouse venture some kind of respectable Anglo-Saxon name, just like the other five publishing whorehouses. Or we could simply call it the Wolf Larsen Literary Pimping Agency and the Writers Publishing Cooperative Whorehouse.

The Wolf Larsen Literary Pimping Agency is now taking submissions from aspiring prostitute-writers.

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Originally Posted by WolfLarsen

I read the thread.

There was somebody on the thread posting an avant-garde poem which was supposed to be a mockery of avant-garde poetry – and ironically it was the best poem of his I've ever seen! Reminds me of a certain pop-artist whose name escapes me at the moment, anyway this artist made some works mocking high art and those turned out to be his best artworks ever!

Here's my entry:

A Poem with 4 Different Titles
A word-orgasm by Wolf Larsen

First title of poem: My Favorite Intergalactic Dildo – alternative title for this poem: 6,184 Planets Running around the Pinball Machine – second alternative title for this poem: How I Lost My Virginity to a Buzzing Inanimate Object – third alternative title for this poem: Going on a Date with Charles Manson's Clone During World War 3

DING-DONG-CRAAAAASH!!

Ka-DOOPLE!! Circus sireeeens! Eloquent fish-fiiiish-fiiiiish!!

BING-BANG-BONG! Where's my bonging words to invent??

Mustard!

Sky WOW! Neon-vagina-soup!! Where's my zero gravity???

Help! Penis!

Dip! Pong! 0000000ppeeeeee!! Lost my winking!!

Strawberry! Help!

Shakespearean-fast-food-yoga! Yugoslavia! Dok piiiiing! Lucifer winking!

Penis! Anus! Penis! Anus! Penis!

harrrooooo0000! ! !

Tomorrow? Tomorrow!! Tomorrow? Tomorrow!!

SLAM! Boom! CRASH! Boom!

Hairpins! Charles Manson imagination factory!

Boom! BANG! Boom! BANG!

Ha Ha Ha he heee heeeeeee!

Big vagina! Orgasm! Coca-Cola!

Hello! BOOM! Bang! Hello! BOOM! bang!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

?/*(!), BANG! Marijuana-caffeine-roller-coaster! Magical-Toaster ovens of Scilly-do-bop!!

Where's tomorrow? I'm swallowed by too many verbs-verbs-verbs!!!

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH

Where's my penis?

Penis-my pen is-pe N iS-(pen)is-peNis-pEniS-peNis! (!,/Okay? Okay! CRASH

CRASH!

C R A S H !

Where?

W h e r e ?

Copyright 2014 by Wolf Larsen

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This is amazing!!!!!!! A love poem for the MDMA Generation!

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Why should literature be confined to the four squares of the page? Why not write literature on walls? Why not write literature on bathroom walls? Why not write literature on the sky?

Why shouldn't literature dash from one part of the world to the other as it's being spontaneously created by people on every continent all working together to create a poem/novel/play/whatever?

Envision an earthquake as a poem, envision a hurricane as a poem, envision a black hole in outer space as a poem – and then try to create such a poem! Why shouldn't the poem have the emotions of 7 billion people inside of it? Why not? Why shouldn't a play have the dialogue of 7 billion people in it? Why not? Why shouldn't there be 7 million people as characters in a novel? Why not? Why not write a novel/play/movie/poem/painting/sculpture/modern dance/architecture? I have! If I can do it why can't you?

I wish I could be nicer in this essay, but I must speak my mind. Why do you (you meaning most writers) hide behind your conventional stories and your conventional grammar? Is your mind incapable of imagining anything else? Or are you just too lazy to push yourself into doing something different? Or maybe you're content with writing like 10,000 other people. Good for you!

Anyway, why should letters be confined to their present form? (I'm speaking of letters like ABC, not the letters you send by mail.) Look at the letters of some of the pre-Colombian "Indians" in the New World, whose letters were beautiful. And look at Arabic calligraphy, Chinese characters, and graffiti murals to see how beautiful/creative letters & words & phrases can be. What if we could make our computers make letters like that? What if our books were more beautiful – more Baroque – more everything – than the wonderfully beautiful manuscripts illustrated by the medieval monks? You've seen how beautiful those medieval Bibles are. Why couldn't we write orgies with such beautiful engravings of words?

And why shouldn't we write orgies? What's wrong with orgies? We are told that pornography is bad. No it's not! Pornography is wonderful! Why not write wonderful Baroque-Rococo works of pornography? Why not prove that pornography can be artistic? Why not prove that pornography can be the greatest works of literature ever created by mankind?! In fact, I have a book of poetry named Pornography! (It has no pictures.) Look at how popular pornography is! The problem is, there's too much bad pornography! What we need is to create wonderful pornography! Creative pornography! The best works of literature should be positively pornographic!

Moving on: why not think of the entire city as one poem? Why not think of poems as living breathing things? Why shouldn't a novel be a living breathing thing? Why do novels need characters? Why do novels and short stories need plots? I'm serious – what for?? Maybe one novel can have 7 billion characters, and the next novel can have no characters, and in the novel after that all the characters could be animals & insects. Oh, wait a minute, I'm an animal, and so are you! I'm a member of the primate family – and chances are so are you!

That's another part of your problem. You forget that you're an intelligent primate. Cultural influences are good, but when you forget that you're an animal (a primate) then you're missing something. You're missing something that will help you create better literature and better art. Don't ever forget that you're an animal! It will help keep your work from becoming boring, dry, and brittle. Be an intellectual, but be an intellectual animal, so that you get the best of both worlds!

In addition, you're not made in the image of some god. There is no god. So why submit yourself to some invisible god that does not exist? Submit to nothing! Do not submit to any god that does not exist, and do not submit to any publishing corporation that thinks it's god! (Well, if you wrote some airport novel that you don't care about, let them do with it as they will if the price is right. But protect your masterpieces from those editors that will rewrite your book!)

The more strong and powerful and omnipresent you are the greater your literature will be! Dream to be great! We intelligent primates are destined for great things! So why do you arbitrarily impose limits upon yourself? (Although some of those limits are the limitations of your resources, your free time, and the limitations of the historical epic you live in). However, 500 years from now literature may have an infinite variety of forms that we can scarcely even imagine today. And the four squares of a page or a computer may be just one form of a "book" amongst thousands of forms!

Why should literature be confined to traditional grammar? Why not make up your own grammar? If 20th century classical musicians could invent the 12 tone scale why can't you do the same with grammar? Why couldn't you invent something called 12 tone grammar? Why shouldn't each one of your works have a different form of grammar? Why not?

You should have mastered basic grammar back in grammar school. I did, and I went to a mediocre grammar school, and I'm not that smart either. I can write perfect grammar when I want to, and I can **** perfect grammar up the *** when I want to. If I can be versatile – why can't you? Anyway, if you haven't mastered grammar by now you probably never will. So just write whatever you want to write – and don't worry about grammar! And if you've already mastered basic grammar then why not invent new forms of grammar – and constantly change them at will! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! Why not?

The only limit to the greatness of literature are the limits imposed on it by the lack of imagination of writers. Be great! Be imaginative! Stretch literature beyond its boundaries! Smash all boundaries!

Some people whine about "obscenity". Perhaps these are the same kinds of people that helped get endless works of literature censored and banned in the recent past. Perhaps Puritanism and the obstruction of our natural sex drives is one of the leading causes of so-called "writers block". You block out everything that others may have an objection to – even your own so-called "morality" is perhaps blocking you from writing the great literature you're destined to write! Don't expect to write great literature if you're all repressed! You don't think there's a connection between being repressed and "writers block"? Just write what comes into your head! To hell with what everybody else thinks! I'll tell you one thing: literature is not served by censorship, whether that censorship is from others or from yourself. Stop practicing self-censorship!

Creative writing therefore is a form of confrontation. When you write what you want to write without self-censorship you are confronting all of the ignorance that's holding literature back. The social values of any time in history are merely the social values of that political/economic structure and its ruling class. (The ruling class themselves rarely live according to these "values" – but they expect everybody else to live according to these "values" – especially writers – because writers can be dangerous to the status quo.) Many of these "values" are merely a form of trying to induce conformity, so that the masses are under control and do not threaten the ruling class and its political/economic structure. There is nothing natural about the "values" of the societies of the sick world of today. To hell with these hypocritical "moral values". You have to fight to write what you want to write! And if you don't have to fight to write would you want to write than maybe you're doing something wrong.

Again, I must say something impolite, my apologies. But why do normal people even bother writing? What do normal people have to contribute to literature? If there's nothing unusual about you, if you don't have anything original to say, then why do you bother? I think the best literature comes from those who are unique – or have some unique experiences – or have something unique to say – or have some new unique literature to give to the reading public.

If you're only writing to prove what a well-adjusted normal person you are – whatever normal is in these crazy times we live in – then who the hell cares about what you have to write unless I'm suffering from insomnia and your book helps to put me asleep!

In addition, perhaps "normal" writing about "normal" people helps to maintain the status quo. Perhaps the ruling class that owns the publishing conglomerates does not want too much stuff published that threatens its interests. Reform is one thing, but revolution is quite another. Books can be powerful! The written word can be dangerous.

Honestly, are the thoughts in your head, are the images in your imagination, anything resembling what we are told is a "normal"? Don't lie! Don't lie to me, and most of all don't lie to yourself! You know damn well the most imaginative stuff in your head is not "normal".

Why shouldn't you write all those imaginative things in your head that others won't approve of? (Well, within reason, keep the racist garbage in your head to yourself.) And why should you worry whether it takes the form of good grammar when you write them down?

If we don't use most of our brains (which we don't) then think how much we are not doing with literature! Literature is tied down in a million ways. It's tied down by our lack of imagination. Literature is tied down by the profit motive to publishing conglomerates that could care less about literature, because they could only care about profits. Literature is tied down by your own personal sexual Puritanism. Did you know that studies show that creative people have more sexual partners? Perhaps there is a relationship between creativity and sex? Or perhaps there is a relationship between not being repressed and being more creative? I feel that people who are so close minded that they find virtually everything to be "obscene" are less likely to write great creative literature. Maybe, they would make good grammar school teachers, or good editors for medical books. Medical books should have correct grammar. Most definitely. Convention has its place.

If your conventional stories are VERY INTERESTING than by all means write it down! But if you don't have any interesting conventional stories to tell, then why not reach into your imagination and create something unique and amazing? Or why not write some interesting conventional literature, and some other literature totally unlike anything ever written? Why be only a one trick pony?

If you're different – or if you do something different – people will say you're crazy. But there's good crazy and there's bad crazy. So go ahead and get good and crazy!

It is the "crazy" people that help the human race advance. (I mean the good "crazy" people.) While the conventional people stand by like a bunch of sheep, it is the "crazy" people that show that there is a better way.

Long live INDIVIDUALISM! Long live creativity!

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Art is art and thats all that matters. Tommorrow? Tommorrow!

Wolf, here's a poem I've written about you

He who
Inperceptively; tendentiously, esteems that
rhymes
Denies the time indubitably of a cat
that
Rolls around and stares at limes
Yes
And so it is thus
Up
We go and die
A
Life Undone; -

So,
Die,
Wolf

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Some people whine about "obscenity". Perhaps these are the same kinds of people that helped get endless works of literature censored and banned in the recent past. Perhaps Puritanism and the obstruction of our natural sex drives is one of the leading causes of so-called "writers block". You block out everything that others may have an objection to – even your own so-called "morality" is perhaps blocking you from writing the great literature you're destined to write! Don't expect to write great literature if you're all repressed! You don't think there's a connection between being repressed and "writers block"? Just write what comes into your head! To hell with what everybody else thinks! I'll tell you one thing: literature is not served by censorship, whether that censorship is from others or from yourself. Stop practicing self-censorship!

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Perhaps we just have something called 'taste' and don't think that a pointless stream of angry vulgarities amounts to anything more than the cr@p you can read on any toilet door. Actually a toilet door is a good place for it, better still on the piece of toilet paper you will then use and flush.

Any illiterate dickhead can ignore the rules of grammar and string together a bunch of words in any meaningless fashion. Calling it 'avant garde' does not make it worth it anything though.

May I remind you (in case you forgot that there is also a thing called a dictionary in your effort to be free of all convention)

VULGAR

1. lacking sophistication or good taste.
"a vulgar check suit"

synonyms: tasteless, gross, crass, unrefined, tawdry, ostentatious, flamboyant, over-elaborate, overdone, showy, flashy, gaudy, garish, brassy, kitsch, tinselly, flaunting, glaring, brash, loud, harsh; flash, tacky, over the top, OTT, glitzy, impolite, ill-mannered, unmannerly, indecorous, unseemly, ill-bred, boorish, low, low-minded, gross, uncouth, crude, rough; uncultured, uncultivated, unsophisticated, unrefined; illiterate, uneducated, philistine; common, ordinary, low-born, plebeian; malyobbish, loutish, plebby, ignorant.

2. making explicit and offensive reference to sex or bodily functions; coarse and rude.
"a vulgar joke"

VULGARITY

the state or quality of being vulgar.

synonyms: tastelessness, bad taste, grossness, crassness, lack of refinement, tawdriness, flamboyance, flamboyancy, ostentation, excess, gaudiness, garishness, showiness, flashiness, brassiness, tinsel, kitsch, loudness, harshness; tackiness, impoliteness, ill manners, bad manners, impropriety, grossness, indecorousness, uncouthness, crudeness, coarseness, roughness; commonness, lowness, unsophisticatedness, lack of refinement, lack of sophistication;ignorance.

In other words entirely lacking in any originality or skill.

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Originally Posted by Pumpkin337

Perhaps we just have something called 'taste' and don't think that a pointless stream of angry vulgarities amounts to anything more than the cr@p you can read on any toilet door. Actually a toilet door is a good place for it, better still on the piece of toilet paper you will then use and flush.

Any illiterate dickhead can ignore the rules of grammar and string together a bunch of words in any meaningless fashion. Calling it 'avant garde' does not make it worth it anything though.

May I remind you (in case you forgot that there is also a thing called a dictionary in your effort to be free of all convention)

VULGAR

1. lacking sophistication or good taste.
"a vulgar check suit"

synonyms: tasteless, gross, crass, unrefined, tawdry, ostentatious, flamboyant, over-elaborate, overdone, showy, flashy, gaudy, garish, brassy, kitsch, tinselly, flaunting, glaring, brash, loud, harsh; flash, tacky, over the top, OTT, glitzy, impolite, ill-mannered, unmannerly, indecorous, unseemly, ill-bred, boorish, low, low-minded, gross, uncouth, crude, rough; uncultured, uncultivated, unsophisticated, unrefined; illiterate, uneducated, philistine; common, ordinary, low-born, plebeian; malyobbish, loutish, plebby, ignorant.

2. making explicit and offensive reference to sex or bodily functions; coarse and rude.
"a vulgar joke"

VULGARITY

the state or quality of being vulgar.

synonyms: tastelessness, bad taste, grossness, crassness, lack of refinement, tawdriness, flamboyance, flamboyancy, ostentation, excess, gaudiness, garishness, showiness, flashiness, brassiness, tinsel, kitsch, loudness, harshness; tackiness, impoliteness, ill manners, bad manners, impropriety, grossness, indecorousness, uncouthness, crudeness, coarseness, roughness; commonness, lowness, unsophisticatedness, lack of refinement, lack of sophistication;ignorance.

In other words entirely lacking in any originality or skill.

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taste, just like art, is subjective. Remember, the penis mighter!