What is your concept of God?

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12-02-2009, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by selkies

God is one of those words that has been used to describe too many things. If I met someone who claimed to be God I wouldn't be able to prove him wrong.

So is God separate? Yes. Is he in all of us? Yes. Is he...? Yes, according to someone.

What I think doesn't matter, only what `is` matters.

That is my concept of God

Yes, I agree with u
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12-02-2009, 10:58 AM
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My concept of god is logic
12-03-2009, 08:49 AM
Miss Juventus

IceM.. Nooo! You are completely wrong!
Yes, I can see the cause of the pain..the result, or let's say the reaction of it..but not the pain itself..no! Abseolutly no!

The pain is FEELING. Nobody can see the feeling.. because it is in your heart..you FEEL it, not SEE it! There is a big different.
If you don't trust me, you can ask somebody else :)

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Origin: beginning

....and when you hear the word of "begining" I think the normal question_if there is a one_ is: "What is after the begining" Not "What was before the begining".
Why? because the begining word means, that there is nothing before it..and I have been told you.. if I, for example, told you what is the origin of God, you will keep asking about the origin of that origin.. because you don't understand the Origin and the Begining words meaning..Not because there is nobody until now have an answer for it.. no, but because some people_including you_ still don't believe that God is before everything in the world..

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I ask you again. Why can't God have an origin? You've been dodging that question since I asked it

No.. I have not been dodging. It is not one of my habits.. I answered you .. Go and have a look :)

P.S: Thank you :)
12-03-2009, 09:37 PM
IceM

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Originally Posted by Miss Juventus

What did I explain.. that you will have no answers if you ask questions like "what is the orgin of the orgin?" " What is before the begining?" " Why do the orgin has no orgin?".
So what do you expect to hear.. an answer? Answer for what was before the begining?! I dont think so, and until now.. there is nobody answered this question.

Here.. I don't say: Hey let's believe on God because there is no answer for our questions. No! I said that, the mean of the "Begining" word, the "first time" word and the "orgin" word, make us beleive on them.. believe that there is nothing before them.. thus believe on God.

Why must Man have an origin but God cannot? You accept that God IS the origin without providing any reasoning as to how he cannot be.

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Originally Posted by Miss Juventus

Because of that and to be comfortable.. you should believe on ORGIN, and that orgin who is before every thing in the world is GOD.

Once again, why can't God have an origin. Why is He the beginning? Why can't He have a beginning? Because it defies YOUR theist logic? Or because you see the continual onslaught of questions as too tiresome of think of and choose to use God as your only response?

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Originally Posted by Miss Juventus

IceM.

After all of that, tell me also when they had told you the answer, if you stopped asking for the orgin of the orgin of God.. Because I will not spend my life in asking and asking and asking for no end!

So you're content to just accept God as an answer without even bothering to think of the question? Humankind HAS to have an origin, but God cannot. Why?

Instead of bothering to answer the question with any attempt of logic, you keep saying I do not comprehend the mere meanings of origin and beginning. Instead of even attempting to postulate ANY form of logical response, you're going to continue reiterating that I cannot comprehend definitions to basic words. I pity you.

This topic is no longer worth discussing. As long as you're continuing to sidestep why God has no origin, why he is the beginning of creation and the "eternal being" while Man MUST have an origin, what's the point of bickering about concrete definitions? Until you actually confront my questions with a logical, reasonable, or even relevant answer, this discussion is over.
12-04-2009, 06:00 AM
Miss Juventus

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Ya.. the discussion is over.. Not because I have not been answered you, No! I did؛

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Here.. I don't say: Hey let's believe on God because there is no answer for our questions. No! I said that, the mean of the "Begining" word, the "first time" word and the "orgin" word, make us beleive on them.. believe that there is nothing before them.. thus believe on God.

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The begining means there is nothing before it.

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and when you hear the word of "begining" I think the normal question_if there is a one_ is: "What is after the begining" Not "What was before the begining".
Why? because the begining word means, that there is nothing before it..and I have been told you.. if I, for example, told you what is the origin of God, you will keep asking about the origin of that origin.. because you don't understand the Origin and the Begining words meaning..Not because there is nobody until now have an answer for it.. no, but because some people_including you_ still don't believe that God is before everything in the world..

All of these are answers! Why can't God have an origin? because God himself is the origin!

The discussion is over absolutely, because you don't want to satisfy or maybe because you have not understood..! Don't say because I have not answered you!
12-04-2009, 04:48 PM
DanielBenoit

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Originally Posted by NikolaiI

God is the source of everything. God is Krishna, God is Buddha, God is Pure Land. God is all that is holy and true.

People say, "Why doesn't God appear to me this instant, and accede my demands, punish me for my blasphemy, and prove His existence?" But this is a wrong attitude. We must be qualified to see God. Even in this world, if we want to speak to the President, we are not able to unless we are qualified. If I call the White House and demand to speak to him, requesting him to prove his existence to me, I would be disregarded. So why should God, who is the Lord of the Universe, heed all my demands?

But we see the President every day on the news. We know he exists through empirical cognition.

That said, the "invisible God" argument that atheists use is quite silly really because there are many things that we take for granted in everyday speech that are nothing more than floating abstractions.

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Still, we shouldn't speak of God or the soul if we haven't experienced them. Only a few times in my life have I experienced revelation of divine consciousness, and yet those I know were the only real moments of my existence. God is Buddha, enthroned on a Lotus, surrounded by limitless pure love. The source of everything is this, and it is infinite. Since the source of everything is this, it is within everything, even every cell - so within every cell is infinite space, infinite Pure Lands, and the very source of those Pure Lands is a Lotus, and the Lotus may be said be emanating from God. The nature of this - God, Krishna, Buddha - is infinite bliss, peace and knowledge. It is beyond all description, it is not found in logical arguments. Another way it may be understood is simply "Love," or "Pure Love," or "Spirit."

You know, I probably understand you more than any of the other religous members here because I have experienced this absolute bliss and joy that you speak of through the process of meditation. I have even considered becoming a Buhddist. But to surrender myself to an entire system is too hard for me, for I believe in faith, I have none because I can't help but stand outside the system and look in, rather than be in it.

We all have faith in one way or another, though not entirely in a religous sense.

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Originally Posted by Miss Juventus

All of these are answers! Why can't God have an origin? because God himself is the origin!

The only problem is (as I argued above) is that there is no origin. Our concept of God rests on a word, words refer to each other endlessly without any origin of meaning whatsoever. We hardly ever realize that almost the entire basis of our reality rests on words.
12-08-2009, 12:38 AM
NikolaiI

The generally idea which is becoming popular among society, which is trending towards atheism, is this; that God must do everything. God must absolutely force me to believe in Him, otherwise I won't. Well, actually God is doing everything, proving absolutely everything for you, but He won't force you.

True humility is knowing we are absolutely dependent on God. We like to say we are independent, we like our independence. But we are not independent in the slightest - we are dependent upon many things, the most immediate of which are air, water, food, and everything in a more extended way too. And all of those things are provided by the Supreme Lord, in perfect quantity for every living entity. God provides for the birds and the animals, for an elephant who requires so much food, so why do we think God would not provide for us? He does, but still we refuse to acknowledge Him.
04-04-2020, 04:42 PM
IceM

Updating my comments to say that I am now an evangelical Christian despite having been an atheist so long ago. I now find hope in Jesus Christ, the Lord of Creation.

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