Well... if you put it that way... did I just hear 'gothic'? ahem, niiice :D
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Well... if you put it that way... did I just hear 'gothic'? ahem, niiice :D
Would you include him in that categorie? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by subterranean
Oh you missed the joke..
Nevermind :)
Actually, I didn't. Hence the roll eyes thing. Lame reply, I know.
Ok, everytime me and my friends said something like, "ALL MEN like girls", one of us would say, "except Elton John of course"....That's where the joke lies, coz, as you (might) already aware that Elton is GAY. Of course, you can say different popular names, but Elton seems right ...
Why is Elton John so happy? Why is he gay? Is there a party?
ROFLMAO
there's a party alrite...you're welcome to join dad..
And I don't know why...
Elton John, the man of the large multi-coloured glasses. You can't fault a person for being happy though, jealousy is the only obstacle. But he is fricken ridiculous.
And Batman just looks funny with his bat ears. But then who wants to be a goody two shoes like Clark Kent.
I see that the Man of Steel's fan club is loosing this poll quite badly.........maybe if he didn't wear his pajamas in public he'd present a better persona......
Oh public popularity is so shallow for a real hero ;)
I hate them both... But Superman sounds less awfull...
Does anyone else notice that an alarming amount of super heroes were their undies outside thier tights :eek:!!! Superman and early batman included.
Now The Tick......thats a superhero. and not a stitch of underwear showing.
Spooooooon!!!!!!!
Superman is flawless and that is what we should aspire to be. He has made the ultimate sacrifice and died for a race that is not his own (eventually resurrected). With his powers he could have considered himself godlike and been a self declared dictator. He is probably the most selfless fictional character ever written. His powers are only used to benefit others and not himself. As Clark Kent he could have cut many corners to get ahead in life, especially in his pursuit of Lois, but he does not. Sure the Dark Knight has appeal with his whole dark gothic thing and having no super human abilities but Superman is the ideal superhero. Besides, Supermans origin is of comsic proportions. He is the last survivor of an alien race arriving to earth on a space ship wrapped in his cape. It just so happens that earth is the only planet where Superman is Superman because he draws his power from earths son, coincidence? Superman was sent to be earths protector. Not to belittle Batman but his origin is from holding a grudge because someone killed his parents. Cliche revenge do gooder plot.
Hear, hear! ;)
Err, if he's flawless, how could he be killed? It was his murderer the one who was flawless. Now, if you consider a broad definition of what is supposed to be flawless (i.e. not only powers), then he definitely isn't, because despite his powers, he behaves just like any other human being. The same emotions, the same virtues, the same miseries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumpweed
I don't think Superman is the ideal superhero. As far as I can tell, Superman stands for the law (remember his encounters with Lex Luthor and how they usually end?), while Batman stands for justice. IMO, law without justice is meaningless. This idea is emphasized on Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, a fine read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumpweed
Your take on Batman's origins is not that farfetched, but your take on Superman's is. He wasn't sent to be earth's protector, he simply crashed here. Of course, this differs, as his origin has been told zillions of time (by Siegel/Shuster, Marv wolfman, Karl Kesel, and many others), but that fact remains. Anyway, if you ask me, Superman is probably just another way of portraying an idealized view of the united states, of the so called "american dream". Portrayed as beacon of justice, Superman was a great way to push forward the propaganda that north america stood for liberty, democracy, and all that stuff. He works in the Daily Planet (thus, allegedly representing freedom of speech), where he meets a succesful journalist woman in Lois Lane (showing women's access and exit to jobs); he is the prototipe male, capable of incredible strength and a ridiculous level of naivety; and he's the protector of Metropolis, a single, small city which is supposed to represent the whole country. The comic of Superman shows a set of values and rules and an outlook on life based purely in an occidental capitalist view. The costume he wears, full of colors, makes him very distinguished, very easy to note, and the symbol complements the packed image. A similar analogy can be found in Marvel's Captain America.
Superman, and flawlessness are unattainable. If you aspire to be flawless you will live a life of disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumpweed
What about the whole Conduit ordeal? Conduit was a boyhood friend of Clark's and WOULD have been the star athlete, most popular, big-man-on-campus at Smallville high, except Clark was. (Superman #100, I think) And you forget that all along it wasn't Clark that was persuing Lois. All through the late seventies/early eighties Superman was messing around with Wonder Woman. It was Lois who was always love-sick after Superman, not Clark. It wasn't until Man of Steel #1 that Clark came around and starting getting interested in Lois and that quickly blossomed into a relationship. But He didn't have the long pursuit after Lois, like that horrible TV series 'Lois & Clark' portrayed.Quote:
He is probably the most selfless fictional character ever written. His powers are only used to benefit others and not himself. As Clark Kent he could have cut many corners to get ahead in life, especially in his pursuit of Lois, but he does not.
Actually Superman is Super on ALOT of planets, just not on Krypton, which we don't even know for sure because he's never been there, its destroyed, remember? But Superman has used his powers on war-world, and in deep space, through intergalactical wormholes, far far away from earth's sun. That theory is a relic from the Action Comics #1 days. Once DC got more in-depth with Supe's physics etc... they abandoned that idea.Quote:
Sure the Dark Knight has appeal with his whole dark gothic thing and having no super human abilities but Superman is the ideal superhero. Besides, Supermans origin is of comsic proportions. He is the last survivor of an alien race arriving to earth on a space ship wrapped in his cape. It just so happens that earth is the only planet where Superman is Superman because he draws his power from earths son, coincidence? Superman was sent to be earths protector.
One must carefully weigh each word expressed in this forum for fear of being taken literally with each. I love that ..............
If it was good enough for Derrida...Quote:
Originally Posted by baddad
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Originally Posted by crisaor
Oh yeah!!.....sweeeettt!!!!
Superman
I can’t stand to fly
I’m not that naive
I’m just out to find
The better part of me
I’m more than a bird…I’m more than a plane
More than some pretty face beside a train
It’s not easy to be me
Wish that I could cry
Fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie
About a home I’ll never see
It may sound absurd…but don’t be naive
Even Heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed…but won’t you concede
Even Heroes have the right to dream
It’s not easy to be me
Up, up and away…away from me
It’s all right…You can all sleep sound tonight
I’m not crazy…or anything…
I can’t stand to fly
I’m not that naive
Men weren’t meant to ride
With clouds between their knees
I’m only a man in a silly red sheet
Digging for kryptonite on this one way street
Only a man in a funny red sheet
Looking for special things inside of me
It’s not easy to be me.
from http://www.moviehole.net/news/5727.htmlQuote:
Batman vs.Superman match still on the cards
Posted on Sat, 4-Jun-2005
"Batman Begins" producer Charles Roven seems pretty certain that one day the chap with the cowl and the dude in tights will team up.
Naturally, says Roven, "Batman vs.Superman" depends on the success of Batman and Superman's first solo missions.
"It all depends on the success of Batman Begins and Superman Returns", he tells IESB, adding that the current script for "Batman vs Superman" is superb.
"Batman Begins" star Christian Bale, who would no doubt be reprising his role as the Caped Crusader in the two-hander, says there might be a few solo missions before the teaming, but ythat it should happen.
"Batman vs.Superman" was the movie Warner Bros. were considering doing inititally - before deciding on solo missions for both characters. Wolfgang Peterson was attached to direct at one point, with everyone from Jude Law to Colin Farrell and John Travolta (yep, Zuko in tights) in the running to play the crimefighters.
One of the many problems in getting the film off the ground was getting two actors locked into the pic. A spokesperson for Christian Bale told us at the time that, "...all rumoured participants have various conditions with regard to casting/money/marketing rights. For example, actor A may choose to do the movie ONLY if actor B is playing opposite him. If B drops out, A has the option to drop out or insist on Actor D, etc. ... Actor C may sign on with a condition that he makes the same dollars as Actor B. If he doesn't get it, he'll walk."
Ultimately, Peterson decided to go off and make "Troy" instead, and "Batman vs.Superman" was shelved.
In "Batman vs.Superman", the Caped Crusader's girlfriend dies and Superman snags the blame. This leads to a conflict between the two crimefighters, not helped by the appearance of both heroes' long-time enemies.
from http://iesb.net/rumors/movies060405.phpQuote:
Date: June 4, 2005
Source: IESB
Author: Robert Sanchez
Will we ever get to see Superman square off against Batman in a live action movie? According to Producer Charles Roven "it all depends on the success of Batman Begins and Superman Returns". He also did say that the current script for the project is excellent.
So will Christian Bale and Brandon Routh team up for this "clash of the titans?" Rumors have persisted that both actors contracts have a clause for such option if both franchises end up being successful.
When will this film happen? Christian Bale told the IESB today during the Batman Begins press junket that Superman vs Batman could happen down the line but not as an immediate sequel but instead after a few more Batman solo successes.
This is an early synopsis of Superman vs Batman:
When Bruce Wayne goes out seeking bloody vengeance on the murderer of his new bride, Jennifer. Superman opposes him, fights him to the near death - then it's discovered that the guy behind Jennifer's murder is also this big baddie in Superman's circle and they unite to fight. Warner Bros. has commissioned a script from Andrew Kevin Walker ('Seven') with Wolfgang Petersen ('The Perfect Storm') directing. This is a different project from either Batman 5 or Superman 5.
Batman is more than a man. He's man's ultimate potential fulfilled. Self-taught, self-trained, self-disciplined. The peak human. His is the Will to Power; much more the Nietzschean ideal of the superman than, uh, Superman.
Batman worked for his powers while Superman's came freely.
I'm a fan of both of them. I've read both their comics (not every single compic book, but a few) and all of their movies. But I prefer Batman over Superman. Although Superman has the heroic and unrealistic superpowers that most boys admire, Batman is more realistic, and someone you can relate to. He seems... very passionate.. dark and mysterious, which is more admirable then unrealistic powers. As Bongitybongbong said, he worked for his title, and I personally think hes much sexier :P. Maybe it's because he is a masked man, something about it is very arousing.
Let's compare the two iconic heroes across the mediums they've broached:
TV:
Batman: The Animated Series (1992) vs. Superman (1988)
No contest here. The original Batman: TAS which aired on FOX in 1992 is widely considered to be one of, if not, THE finest animated series ever to grace television due to a pioneering style of animation coined "Dark Deco" and mature storytelling that was often morose hence appropriately reflecting the dark knight's callous demeanor.
Advantage: Batman
Comics:
The Dark Knight Returns (1986) vs. The Death of Superman (1993)
Frank Miller's take on the dark knight is one of the seminal highlights in comics and one of the few examples noted in justifying the literary merit of this medium. Yes, Sups made an appearance but, make no mistake, this is Bruce's tale through and through.
The Death of Superman was, well, an all-out slugfest.
Advantage: Batman
Movies:
I'm only going to consider the first 2 Bat films which starred Michael Keaton as the last 2 Joel Schumacher abominations are too painful to bring up. With that in mind...
Jack Nicholson (Joker) > Gene Hackman (Lex Luthor)
Advantage: Batman
There you have it folks! Batman takes it by a landslide.
yeah, I have to admit, I didn't like the last 2 Superman movies. The Batman ones are much better. Is anyone going to see the "Batman Begins" movie?
From what I've read and heard of so far, the latest Batman flick is winner and purported to revitilize the franchise. After the last two films, I don't see how it can dig itself into a deeper hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by wanderlust_ox
hmm.. I still have mixed feelings about it, and i'm wondering if it's actually worth my time and money.
....I can't help but smile every time I see this thread revived......it is both too deep and too shallow.........and too funny .........and I stand by my comments as to Crisaor's insights (Re:post # 61)
Ill admit I never read any of the comics but I hated the batman plots in all the films/ cartoons I saw and I like Kent hes a genuinly nice person. Maybe he is meant to represent not to take things at surfface value or that there is a hero in everyone.
actually I didnt really like either My favourate hero has got to be Zorro...
even though batman is a bit like him in that he was a human pretending I could never like Bruce wayne and the villans were just too wierd for me thanks!
:lol: ;)
Batman is better cause he has no super powers or anything. He's just a rich dude who uses his money to keep justice working in his neighbourhood. And what Frank Miller did with the series was excellent.
Anyone seen Batman Begins by the way?
Frankly I hate Superman. He has whatever powers he can desire (it seems to me) but never uses them to their quickest and most efficient potential. By the way, myself being a Spiderman fan, I am slightly offended by his exclusion from the choices present. Anyone agree?
Nah, Superman's the best!!! His costume is really outstanding.Quote:
By the way, myself being a Spiderman fan, I am slightly offended by his exclusion from the choices present. Anyone agree?
DC or Marvel does any one like to read comics from both companies?
Batman. He rocks it out. His balls...he carries them with construction equipment. Superman has all the sack of a deflated water ballon.
batman i like that black leather :-) but i think George Clooney was the best..
Has to be The Batman. Anyone can fight crime if they have superstrength and are invernable, but with no superpowers, only your own trained body and mind, and the gadgets you've created? That's guts! Besides, Bruce is always on the psychotic edge, adding a dark side to Batman, and a bit of a "lone wolf." He will help The Justice League only if it suits him.
I don't know..but I see Keaton more suitable ;)
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Originally Posted by blueeyes