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So, if you want to decide considering the season, what will you choose?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by papayahed
Having a winter in the summer will be interesting ;)
I vote later, not now. let's see which gets the vote
Does this mean I owe you a vote now Niamh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh
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WInters tale, thats Perdita and the bear isnt it....
that is a great summery of the play :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nightshade
Yes well if it is and youve read it you know what Im talking about it and if you havent it doesnt give away any of the plot.... :D
exit followed by a bear! :D yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightshade
And you owe me a vote. :nod: :p only voted richard so you wouldnt feel alone! :lol:
So we're reading Winter's Tale? Is there a start date or an end date for the reading?
The poll does not close till June 15th so we do not know for certain yet. And we will have till mid August to read the play.
Ah, great, got it. Voted for Macbeth. I love that play :D
Thanks for the tie, Drake! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DapperDrake
Ah, a tie! Curse you Sir Smile!
Can I have my vote back ? I wasted it.
I teach college and I really shouldn't complain about my excellent group of students. They completely made up for their lackluster reception of W.T. with a fantastic final discussion on the Tempest today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles Darnay
Thanks Virg. :) I'll really try to make the time. The summer months should, at least hypothetically be less busy than the last quarter has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
No more tie now - I voted for my favourite, Macbeth. :D
come come, how can we pass over the great Autolycus who even the clown will "swear to
the prince thou art a tall fellow of thy hands and
that thou wilt not be drunk; but I know thou art no
tall fellow of thy hands and that thou wilt be
drunk: but I'll swear it, and I would thou wouldst
be a tall fellow of thy hands." - great line...
Oh, Up to now it is Macbeth, I doubt if vote for Maccbeth or Winter's Tale?!! :D
I am glad to see this is started back up. I have been in school again for the past year and haven't had much time for reading. I purchased the complete works a couple weeks ago and was uncertain where to start. I have read Romeo and Juliet and about half of A Midsummer Night's Dream so far so it will be fun to join you all. Not really sure what to vote for though.
Oh how many times have people read Macbeth. Let's try something different. Winter's Tale!!
I'm with you in principle Virgil but I haven't read Macbeth since school and its such a great play, I was going to read it again this year anyway - I re-read Romeo and Juliet back in Feb. I was surprised to find Juliet was only 13, I think modern media would make a different tale - Deranged paedophile Romeo causes death of young girl in suicide pact- or a headline not to dissimilar. :D
Yeah but Romeo was prtetty young himself. I don't ecall the age but I would guess no more than 16.
16 and 13 were common marriage times back then in Italy, and in England. As for being young, Juliet seems far more precocious than Romeo;
As you can tell from the quote, Juliet shows a mature, almost unheard of sense of emotion that is not conceivable from most people, let alone a 13 year old girl. It is as if by giving such a powerful brain, so acute in observation, and refined to a sincere, and 'bountiless' and abundance, that Shakespeare really strikes home in showing us the disgusting nature of the world, in contrast to the innocence, and warmth that is represented with the feminine, the sense of womanhood, in contrast to the seen view as women as lesser in his society.Quote:
Romeo: O, wilt thou leave me so unsatisfied?
Juliet: What satisfaction canst thou have tonight?
Romeo: The exchange of thy love's faithful vow for mine.
Juliet: I gave thee mine before thou didst request it:
And yet I would it were to give again.
Romeo: Wouldst thou withdraw it? for what purpose, love?
Juliet: But to be frank, and give it thee again.
And yet I wish but for the thing I have;
My bounty is as boundless as the sea,
My love as deep; the more I give to thee,
The more I have, for both are infinite.
The fighting, and conflict is generally displayed as a masculine quality, as in Capulet and Montague being patriarchs of families, Tybalt and Romeo being opposing ends, and the prince being the bringer of punishment, in this case banishment. Romeo is portrayed as feminine except when he fights with Tybalt, in which he assumes a masculine role, and thereby brings forth the whole tragedy.
Juliet clearly is the more dominant, more beautiful, and perfect character, in the sense that Shakespeare goes beyond anything he had written before in delivering one of his supreme creations, as he does with Hamlet, Iago, Falstaff and Macbeth. It is really at this point in his tragedy writing career that he discovered the boundlessness of the tragic heroine, and of the young female's capacity for love.
I think that is why it still captures audiences in so many ways to this day. It is almost too perfect a creation, in terms of development. The only flaw with it is that Shakespeare was not at his highest point when writing the play, and the language lacks the depth and innovativeness of Macbeth, Hamlet, The Winter's Tale, and other late romances.
Of course, for about 20 of Shakespeare's plays you can write as much, them all being of superior quality to almost anything else that has been written. The reason however, that I believe the "popular", that is, the more studied, more staged plays of Shakespeare should not be voted for, is that they are more read, and more viewed by the discussion, and therefore a lesser known, but equally as fair play will go neglected.
As Virgil put it:
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Oh how many times have people read Macbeth. Let's try something different. Winter's Tale!!
Hi, how do you get to vote? When I'm logged on it says you may not vote on this poll.
At the end of semester I'd be glad to find the time to read some Shakespeare, specifically something new like Winter's Tale...
I also think the Forum Book Club is a perfect idea, kudos to the people who perpetuate it.
I had the same problem once, your posts should get at least 50, then you can vote!Quote:
Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist
Ah I see, thanks. This acknowledgement can make for another post :) I almost certainly won't reach 50 posts before the deadline unfortunately, as I like to make every post substantial.Quote:
Originally Posted by sofia82
Since you may vote for Winter's Tale :D how about you go to the games section and play a little and quickly get your post count to 50 (it won't be hard to do) and then after you vote you can make every post substantial. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist
Thanks for the tip about the games forum and I voted for Winter's Tale; I am pretty excited.
Winter's Tale, I chose!!!
How funny, it is summer and everyone seems to be voting for 'Winter's Tale"! I guess everyone wants to cool off. I haven't voted yet but I think I have 'Winter's Tale" on audio CD's. If so, I will vote for that one, too.
Yeah, I just went to check my stock and do have it. I only listened to this one once so far, and it is quite good; the Arkangel production with Ciaran Hinds. I think I recall it somewhat and relistening will be great. I love these Shakespeare books on CD or tape!
For those of us in the southern hemisphere Winter's Tale is fitting :)
I wish I could obtain some Winter's tale audio cds for a listen, unluckily my library doesn't have Winter's tale audio cds. I personally will have to read through the text once to fathom it properly. Which will help make for a fun semester break, reading Shakespeare is an incomparable experience.
Hopefully my local secondhand bookstore has a copy. It has a fair bit of Shakespeare (as every secondhand bookstore does), but I know they don't have Titus Andronicus as I've been searching for a copy of Shakespeare's worst play lol.
Voted for Winter's Tale.
Hi CognitiveArtist, good to hear the play would be within your season; that is right - you'd be just opposite the US and all others in the Northern Hemisphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by CognitiveArtist
Can you order from Amazon online? I bought my audio CD set from there and it was reasonable. I think I used an independent seller and made sure they had good feedback, also it was sealed and new. I love the set I have. I like all of the Arkangel series. Nowdays, also online they have downloads, so you don't have to physically get a hold of the CD's, just pay a fee and download the play. I will check into it for you.
The play "Titus Andronicus" was discussed a while back on this site. I don't know how long it lasted because I know a lot of people found it totally violent. I would be one of those and I dropped out. I agree - it is his worst work, but many would probably disagree with my assessment - to each his own, right?
I am really surprised to see so many votes now for "King Richard II". I read all of the History plays and much prefer "Henry V" and "Richard III." I have "Richard III" on audio CD and listened to it now many times over. I love that play - it is so dynamic - like a good murder mystery/thriller. I nearly voted for it, but then went with the one, everyone seemed to be favoring; which I have also read and listened to.
Hi everyone. :) I'm new around here and just wanted to say how pleased I am to see you reading Shakespeare. I know, I can't vote. but I'd be happy to read along with you, as I am the Bard's greatest fan. TWT is not one of the plays I am familiar with, but I am willing to give it a go. I am a secondary school librarian, who hails from Shakespeare's region, (Warwickshire/West Midlands) and have visited his haunts many times. I've just shown the films of Much Ado About Nothing and A Midsummer Night's Dream to my students, who seemed to enjoy them, even though they were contemporary versions from the BBC, hopefully starting them on the road of being lifelong Shakespeare fans. :D
Welcome Wessexgirl. I'm glad you found lit net and will be joining us. You have until June 15th to vote. If you play some games, you'll get over 50 posts in no time. And then you can vote. :) Either way, I'm glad you will be reading along.Quote:
Originally Posted by wessexgirl
Janine, while I prefer Henry V over all the history plays, I think prefer Richard II over Richard III. There is such marvelous poetry in Richard II and while the character of RIII may be more interesting than RII to some, RII is pretty fascnating too. RIII is evil, so he is engaging that way, but I find the complex nature of RII more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janine
Greetings Janine :) Yep, over hear in Australia we'll be in winter experiencing the coldest temperatures from June to August. Although in Melbourne it is said to have "four seasons in one day", so The Winter's Tale may not be fitting on many days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Janine
I think Amazon ships to Australia, so I could obtain their products in a couple of weeks. I desire to obtain a number of audio cds or perhaps downloads of the audio books, but as a student I won't in the near future be able to afford what I want.
As I'm yet to read Titus Andronicus I'm going off the opinions I've gathered that it is his worst play. I hope it is, or I'll be disappointed not having read his worst lol.
Out of curiosity, has there ever been a tie? And how would you then determine what the book will be for that month? I vaguely remember reading this somewhere, but I can't find it now.
We flip a coin.Quote:
Originally Posted by bej6s
And now, all together...
Dashing through the snow
On a one-horse open sleigh,
Over the fields we go,
Laughing all the way;
Bells on bob-tail ring,
Making spirits bright,
What fun it is to ride and sing
A sleighing song tonight.
Shakespeare is not an isolated phenomenon; if we study him , as we should, in the ligh od his predecessors and associates, our understanding is much increaased , although we do not cease to marvel.Seen against such figures as Greene, Marlowe, jonson, Beaumont and Fletchter, Webster, ford and othrs of equal or less distinction, he reamins a colosus, but noy an inexplicable one.Roundly speaking , one may say that Greene and his felows evolved the style of what was to become Shaksprean drama , and that Marlowe fixed it.The form of the Latter s Edward ll is familiar to us in Shakesperean histories , and the verse of his Tambourline The Great has some said , a more than Shakesperean surge end thunder.Ben Jonson, a scholarly writer of masques as well as plays an a poet with sardonic turn of wit, brought the comedy of typs from Roman times to the theatre of his ays with The Alchemist , Every Man in his Humour and Volpone , the prolific collaboration of Beaumont and Fletcher, marking a post Shakesperean stage in the drama s evolution , yielded a rich vein of romance in THE FAITHFUL SHEPERDESS and THE MAIDS TRAGEDY and did not disdain to burlesque its own school in th Knight of the Burning Pestle ; and in such sombre plays as the Duchess of Malfi and The Broken Heart the devil haunted genious of Webster and Ford plumbs the very depth of passion, cruelty and Pity.It is a charge against our later theatre that, bemussed by Shakespeare s splendourit has somewhat neglected the secondary luminaries of this Constellation".......
from The British Theatre by Bridges Adams
director of the Shakespeare Memorial Theatre
since 1919- 34
read it , wont regret [/size]
What now? There seems to be a tie.
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Originally Posted by Janine
ahhh, I haven't voted yet.:D
Here is some interesting information I found on A Winter's Tale online at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winter's_Tale
Even thought some say this play is a comedy, this article states that it was contains many philsophical elements and often seen as a romance.
So Payayahed, which will it be tragedy (MB) or comedy (AW'sT)?
I gave Winter's Tale a nudge because I actually haven't read that play, yet, and I've wanted to read it for a while now. I hope I just untied the poll for good.