Blame the media

I think I just want to go live with the Amish. :D

Can I say both?

I blame the media for being sneaky. Have they no shame?

I blame people for falling for it. You can be educated to overcome all that, you know.

I don't find mass media completely evil, but a lot of it really ticks me off, yes.

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Originally Posted by dramasnot6

I saw "devolution" in the first post, where is Lily? :p

We forget that humans are the ones who created "the media", perhaps we blame it because it is the ultimate reflection of us. As a society, we pretty much choose what is represented and presented to us via technology and entertainment. I mean, as individuals we could disagree with it, but it isn't a battle of "People against the media", as it is more "people against themselves".
We shouldn't be targeting the media for change, we should target the actual issues in society, not how they are being presented.

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I made it to the party. *dances poot* :D

Yeah! Right on the dot. I love that last line you just said.

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Originally Posted by Shea

I think I just want to go live with the Amish. :D

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Oh me too! My stepfather did for a while and he says it was an enlightening experience.

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

Oh me too! My stepfather did for a while and he says it was an enlightening experience.

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But they're a pretty religious group.

Hey kilted you also forgot to mention that only over 150 years ago some 15 and 16 year olds were already married with kids. And a few hundred years before that it was around the age of 12. so anyone who thinks teenage pregnancy is a mdern think, it aint.

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Originally Posted by papayahed

But they're a pretty religious group.

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yes. their lives remind me of home. It's nearly similar, except for the overly religious part. I wonder how they'd react to an atheist.....

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Originally Posted by Niamh

Hey kilted you also forgot to mention that only over 150 years ago some 15 and 16 year olds were already married with kids. And a few hundred years before that it was around the age of 12. so anyone who thinks teenage pregnancy is a mdern think, it aint.

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yes, but proper, modern cheap condoms were not available 'til 1930 so it couldn't be prevented. And then, there was the fact that usually you had to marry whoever got you pregnant, 'there weren't as many single mothers as there are today.

crime and rape rates are rising on par as teenage pregnancy rate.

Also not true. Many were unmarried, and as kilted has already mentioned, sent to stay with "aunts" in far off counties unti the child was born and or fostered by the aunt or given to an orphanage. Some of th mothers where even sent to homes run by nuns and made to do penence for their "sin". Unmarried teenage pregnancies have always been around, Crime rate have always been terrible and so have rape rates. The likes of the media we have today brings it to the attention of viewers. A couple of hundred years ago, they didnt have radio or TV, and not everything was published in the newspapers.

http://www.avert.org/condoms.htm

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The history of condoms

1000 BC
The use of condoms can be traced back several thousand years. It is known that around 1000 BC the ancient Egyptians used a linen sheath for protection against disease.1

100 - 200 AD
The earliest evidence of condom use in Europe comes from scenes in cave paintings at Combarelles in France.2 There is also some evidence that some form of condom was used in imperial Rome.3

1500s
The syphilis epidemic that spread across Europe gave rise to the first published account of the condom. Gabrielle Fallopius described a sheath of linen he claimed to have invented to protect men against syphilis.4 Having been found useful for prevention of infection, it was only later that the usefulness of the condom for the prevention of pregnancy was recognised.

Later in the 1500s, one of the first improvements to the condom was made, when the linen cloth sheaths were sometimes soaked in a chemical solution and then allowed to dry prior to use. These were the first spermicides on condoms.5

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Also regarding the reference to condoms being available in the 1930's. This may have been the case but they were preached against by the church In fact the Catholic church still has many issues to resolve regarding contraception, it was not used widely & if it was the woman in general had no say regarding the matter. It was not until the "pill" became available in the 60's that women had any real voice regarding contraception. Condoms only really came to prominence after the panic caused by AIDS in the 80's, and there are still far too many people uneducated regarding this who choose not to wear protection.

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Originally Posted by Niamh

Also not true. Many were unmarried, and as kilted has already mentioned, sent to stay with "aunts" in far off counties unti the child was born and or fostered by the aunt or given to an orphanage. Some of th mothers where even sent to homes run by nuns and made to do penence for their "sin". Unmarried teenage pregnancies have always been around, Crime rate have always been terrible and so have rape rates. The likes of the media we have today brings it to the attention of viewers. A couple of hundred years ago, they didnt have radio or TV, and not everything was published in the newspapers.

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Another point is that a lot of rape/crimes just weren't reported in earlier times because of the stigma attached.

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Another point is that a lot of rape/crimes just weren't reported in earlier times because of the stigma attached.

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exactly!

I was talking about voluntary wantonness but whatever.....(Also, I read the whole wikilink on condoms too, it said the CHEAP, MODERN ones WE USED TODAY)

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Originally Posted by Niamh

Also not true. Many were unmarried, and as kilted has already mentioned, sent to stay with "aunts" in far off counties unti the child was born and or fostered by the aunt or given to an orphanage. Some of th mothers where even sent to homes run by nuns and made to do penence for their "sin". Unmarried teenage pregnancies have always been around, Crime rate have always been terrible and so have rape rates. The likes of the media we have today brings it to the attention of viewers. A couple of hundred years ago, they didnt have radio or TV, and not everything was published in the newspapers.

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I have mixed feelings on this. My step-mom had this issue, and was forced by her family to give up her daughter when she was 16. (She finally found her again about 6 years ago). It may never have happened at all if her parents had talked to her about sex, but of course, no one ever did at that time. However many parents still don't, and being sexually active is just "accepted" because their favorite tv characters don't have a problem with it either. But a tv character isn't likely to talk about the risks involved.

how did talk about tv and problems became talk about pregnancy statistics and condoms I'll never know. eh, I blame BAKIRYU :p

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Originally Posted by kilted exile

Also regarding the reference to condoms being available in the 1930's. This may have been the case but they were preached against by the church In fact the Catholic church still has many issues to resolve regarding contraception, it was not used widely & if it was the woman in general had no say regarding the matter. It was not until the "pill" became available in the 60's that women had any real voice regarding contraception. Condoms only really came to prominence after the panic caused by AIDS in the 80's, and there are still far too many people uneducated regarding this who choose not to wear protection.

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I now feel obliged to refer to this video:


Every sperm is sacred

Media influences a person. People, on the other hand, are an entirely different story. The media, much as we like to think of it as an external entity, is composed of people who live in the same society we do. Media reflects the values of society - it rarely influences them. Only the most sensational and most radical (and therefore often the least credible) seeks to alter the popular view to its bidding, and because it's the least credible, it has a much smaller chance of doing so.

Besides, I can't remember the last time I heard of a youth epidemic of watching the news or reading any serious section of the newspaper. By my reckoning, they are not influenced by the media so much as they are by their parents and (by extension) each other.

:lol: nice one Tal! :thumbs_up

:lol: Brilliant Taliesin:lol: :lol:

humm actually I rember watching the original cheaper by the dozen recently its was made in 1950 but was based apparantly on a true story and set in the 20s I think and in it there were comments about 'family planning' and you know there are ways to not have children.

And actually the only real differance I can see is that back at te turn of the last centurey mummy and daddy were forced to marry, and then oh look an earrly baby its a mircal it survived, weve been doing some family history stuff and its amazing what you find, when you start looking at dates.

Hold on, their parents let them watch it, I don't say blame the parents,
but most of our youth stick to different morals, what folk thought of generations before is different from theirs, they idolize rappers, singers, actors, they have their new trends and styles,
tho they aren't the best, it's the "now", it's what everyone else is doing,

And plus, it's not JUST the media, there's so much more,

like Britney Spears who might be pregnant again!

I dunno, I feel like that might be an exaggerated stereotype of teenagers today. Doesn't seem quite fair.

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

Many people blame the media for the behavior of humanity and the mental changes and devolution we are going through now. But are we right?

Is the media to be blamed for the decreasing values of our youth and the attempt to fit into its portrayal of humanity?

Or are we, the person to blame, in our stupidity by blindly following other's misconceptions?

Rant on.

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Adolescent they always try to find someone to blame for their inadequacies ;-) it is normal part of growing up :D Nothing to worry about :D

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Originally Posted by Taliesin

I now feel obliged to refer to this video:


Every sperm is sacred

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LOL

(Couldn't listen to the song, haven't got sound drivers but checked out the lyrics :lol:)

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Originally Posted by Lily Adams

I made it to the party. *dances poot* :D

Yeah! Right on the dot. I love that last line you just said.

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*cracks out the PB&J and plays Planet Earth*

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Originally Posted by dramasnot6

*cracks out the PB&J and plays Planet Earth*

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You know me too well...

:lol:

I saw a man on a stage SCREAM! Put me back in my cage!

I live all my life on Planet Earth.

Or how about de-evolution, self-excecution, NO SOLUTION!