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Disobedience is sin. A soldier is field court martialed for disobedience.
One ought not feel cowardly in obeying His God's commands. He may order but
only in 'special circumstances'' . For example when a child is born, God doesnt feed him with his own hand, his (baby's) mother does !
no.no. we have to revere command of god ,,,,,,,if we trust in Him
i think the state does take care of the families left behind..........He will take care of them, don't worry. What if someone suddenly dies, then who takes care of his family,,,,,,,,,God, ofcourse, and using state as an instrument
I agree that disobiedance is sin but how do we determine which command to follow? Surely if you are listening to the Christian God of the Bible you have heard that you should not kill. Besides your government surely says don't kill (i hope). Does your God (whom ever it is) not require you to obey those He puts in authority over you. He did put you in the land and home he wanted you in. (I am sure you believe this.) So how can you justify not obeying so many other commands? How do you decide which is most important to listen to? Or do you believe "Special Circumstances" apply in this instance and provide impunity to those other laws? I am sure a person's government would not agree. So you have effectively killed yourself by doing this and it is your family that suffers and is dependant on that very state you insulted for their lives. I truely believe a person should seriously doubt their sanity and their God if he asks such a thing of them. So back to my original statement I could not do it and do not think it should be done.
the state doesn't even care for the homeless! you even need money to go into a hospital!Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
if people don't work for themselves, god will not work for them.
no, you cannot disobey God,,,,God is God , any God.
Sometimes you have to kill other person ''legally''. For example, a soldier is ordered by his commander to kill his enemies; an executioner happily executes a criminal; a soldier happily goes to war to kill his enemies. Thus, supposing God orders you to kill you have to because that's a divine command. Bible says do not kill but it doesnt say at which occasion or under what circumstances ?? It is natural for any believer to kill unless he disobeys. So, if you disobey Him you will be a big sinner. Atleast for me it is very hard to digest the idea of disobeying and disappointing God if He does come and ask me to act.
think it over !!
True , that's what God commands us to do when he asks us to kill!Quote:
the state doesn't even care for the homeless! you even need money to go into a hospital!
if people don't work for themselves, god will not work for them.
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Naturally, you pay to the hospital folk and they pay to others,,,,,this is cyclic with everything,,,,so why be concerned so much about hospital fee? Dont you pay an engineer, an architect, a florist, an undertaker, a comedian, etc for their services???
If any god ordered me to kill I would disobey or kill myself. I'd rather spend a million years in hellish torment than end another life.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
Soldiers are nothing but legal killers and war is a heinous crime.
I'd rather be a sinner and kill myself than obey any deity that orders me to do something so disgusting and inhumane as killing anyone or anything.
Ending a life, no matter how young, how insignificant is murder. And so is killing in the name of a god.
does a florist save a life? stop the bleeding? transplant a heart? Any services understaken to save and preserve a life should be free.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
Even back home we have free hospitals and graveyards for goddess sake. And flowers are the fruit of the earth, which should be shared or low price for the unlucky and the poor or those who starve in the street.
I have thought it over as you suggested and I come up with the same solution as I did before. I do find it hard to believe that you think soilders and executioners are "happy" about their duty. Anyone that happily takes another life is on the wrong end of the gun. How do you know you have received a divine command and not just thought up something that you think is a divine command? Besides I am a big sinner anyway and don't believe there exists one who is not. We will all have things to pay for. Since I believe all sins are equal why quibble about it. I can't be perfect no matter what I do.
Wow, this is tantamount to terming a good thing bad! soldiers are not mercenaries; its their duty to kill enemies to save their country and poeple.Quote:
Soldiers are nothing but legal killers and war is a heinous crime.
Similarly, God who is the Supreme, may also give exress order to shed blood. No one has any reason to disobey Him if he's a believer and has faith in Him, be he from any school of thought or religion.
dont you think this is a heretic statement? :D :flare: A sin the dirty terrorists are committing. No, no, you cannot think about killing yourself. please dont say that ..:D That is a dreadful thought. Better obey God so you get rewarded in the hereafter.:DQuote:
I would disobey or kill myself.
Man, we are presuming...........will you then??Quote:
How do you know you have received a divine command and
How are you saving your country by invading defenseless countries only because they have something you want? By making children starve and women die?
God has no right of telling anyone to shed another's life. Saying god has a right to tell you whom to kill because he, she or it gave you life it's like saying your parents can tell you whom to kill also. Can they?
Murder is a good enough reason to disobey anyone. Why would I owe a killer my fealty?
Killing yourself a sin? If someone has a right to kill you because god told him to, then why not take your own life before that person can? I have a right to die if I want to.
I rather survive in the here and now than in the thereafter which no one has proven exists.
you smack of Buddhism,,,,,,,,,,and obsession of harakari?
We cannot question God. We are bound to obey His commands. That's faith , maybe not yours.
Why do you then kill animals?? Are they not living things??
Nope, I'm afraid. I'm not affiliated to any major religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
I guess I'm a bit suicidal.
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
I see you haven't talked to me before. I'm a vegetarian and promoter of animal rights. Killing animals is murder as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
I don't see any reason to indulge with anyone who doesn't have faith and is 'suicidal'. He wouldn't kill in the name of God but rather die a dog's death for his own erratic judgment......that makes me quiver !
Since this has turned into a discussion of persons involved, rather than the question posed, this thread will now be closed.