How to have immortality without God... Why does the world exist?.

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Let us see if we can find an answer to the following :

How to have immortality without God... Why does the world exist?.

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Here is my humble opinion.

The answer seems to be hidden in the question. For by asking "why" we pressuppose the existence of reason and hence a reasoner (God) prior to that of the world (universe).

To find out whether anything without God is possible, we first need to find out whether an explanation of the world without God is possible, and start with the question "How does the world exist?" not "Why does the world exist?".

Only after finding a satisfactory answer to this question can we find out if any kind of immortality is possible. And such an answer, we do not yet possess.

Therefore, my humble response is: we do not yet know how to have immortality without God.

When we find out how and achieve it we might have self sufficient advanced robots by then who might refer to us as immortals.

Yea, who knows, after all, history might repeat itself. :D

keys to immortality--small meals. warm baths. circular breathing. making love...worked for alobar

Not to seem to new age about this but I am convinced at the moment that we exist to be a form of perspective for the universe. We are a way for the universe to know itself. The big bang and the formation of random matter into complex systems can be compred to the subconcious congregation of elements to form a fetus. There is a base entity which is attempting to create and refine something.
This is evident in the everday lives of us all. The constant state of challenge in which we all live is a procedure established partly by our own collective subconsious minds (a popular tool for the base entity) and partly by the material world. This state exists to mould us into more perfect individuals, thus being pieces of a more perfect whole, until eventually we have something similar to an Ubermensche (super man) or some other variation on the theme.

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Let us see if we can find an answer to the following :

How to have immortality without God... Why does the world exist?.

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Let me start by saying that answering said questions is infeasible, if not impossible; and I lean toward the latter. But with that said--I do believe that explaining to one’s self or even to others is both feasible and possible, and that it is the very nature of man to ask these questions, as well as search out their answer(s). I would also add one question: what is the fundamental drive (and thus the fundamental means to happiness) for mankind?

The meaning of man’s existence, to me, is no more than to exist. No more, no less. As is any other perception that our senses show us. What greater meaning could there be than to exist? Nothing, say I. What is mankind’s drive? Hunger and thirst; for all manners of things: food and water, love and lust, material and immaterial (i.e. righteousness in each individual’s manner and ideal); life and, finally, death.

Now, Immortality…can we not say that we are immortal? We are made up of that which makes up all things, and as we die we provide for something(one) else’s birth. So, if we are all made up of that which makes up all things and if when we cease to exist (cognitively [i.e. our own perception of our existence]) we simply give what matter is needed for another’s existence to another, then we, ourselves, live on through others; as others have lived on through us. I’m not sure that I’ve made my self clear, so I will put it more simply. Matter makes up all things. We are made of matter. Matter is indestructible (at least without our discussing anti-matter), therefore immortal. We are immortal, because the matter that is (a specific) man lives on in others. The matter that is you was once the matter that was a tree; the matter that is you will be the matter that makes up a deer--or something along those lines.