Graffiti, Tattooes, and Piercings

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Still not the point. It's not yours to do as you please. It belongs to someone else. If you have a beat up old car, does that give someone the right to put a few more dents in it, or spray paint it? Nothing disheartens a community more when people don't respect others private property. It makes people who might invest give up.

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It also disheartens a community to see busted up buildings that are neglected. And I seriously doubt a little spray paint is going to deter an investor who sees a business opportunity.

and those ugly neglected buildings are worse than graffitti because someone with money owns those and needs to take responsibilty for them. with grafitti, it's normally bored kids doing it, and yes it's wrong and yes they should be punished, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig - lipstick or not - it's still a pig. Sort of a backwards analogy there, I guess.

If I have an old beat-up car parked in an otherwise aesthetically pleasing neighborhood, the neighbors are going to be mad at me about that car being there bringing the property values down, and they won't have any sympathy for me when some kid comes along and smashes it with a baseball bat and paints "Piece of ****" on the side of it. It's the same thing with those neglected buildings sitting there year after year, making the city look like a dump. At that point, you can spray them or not, but they're still going to be ugly, neglected and hazardous.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

It also disheartens a community to see busted up buildings that are neglected.

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Still not your property do do as you please.

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And I seriously doubt a little spray paint is going to deter an investor who sees a business opportunity. and those ugly neglected buildings are worse than graffitti because someone with money owns those and needs to take responsibilty for them.

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Oh I do, because the potential investor evaluates the neighborhood. It's one thing for the neighborhood to be poor; it's another to be destructive.

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with grafitti, it's normally bored kids doing it, and yes it's wrong and yes they should be punished, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig - lipstick or not - it's still a pig. Sort of a backwards analogy there, I guess.

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Bored? I think they're more than bored. They could go play basketball if they're bored. I've read interviews with these punks. Their goal is to deface property with their icons, as if it gives them some sort of satisfaction to have their symbol on others property. They ought to have their hands...I won't say it.

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If I have an old beat-up car parked in an otherwise aesthetically pleasing neighborhood, the neighbors are going to be mad at me about that car being there bringing the property values down, and they won't have any sympathy for me when some kid comes along and smashes it with a baseball bat and paints "Piece of ****" on the side of it.

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I've seen rich people and poor people have beat up old cars. I've had a beat up old car and no one has ever told me it brought down property values. You mean your sympathy is with someone who puts a baseball bat through someone's windshield? Come on.

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It's the same thing with those neglected buildings sitting there year after year, making the city look like a dump. At that point, you can spray them or not, but they're still going to be ugly, neglected and hazardous.

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Well, then the community should do something about it. Fines and whatever legal measures are legit. Deface it is not.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Still not your property do do as you please.

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So, a businessman can leave a rundown, decrepit, hazardous building as is, just because he owns it?

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Oh I do, because the potential investor evaluates the neighborhood. It's one thing for the neighborhood to be poor; it's another to be destructive.

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spray paint is not destructive. Dyanmite and fire are destructive. and if the building is falling down anyway, what is the difference? I don't know why you are so upset about it.

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Bored? I think they're more than bored. They could go play basketball if they're bored. I've read interviews with these punks. Their goal is to deface property with their icons, as if it gives them some sort of satisfaction to have their symbol on others property. They ought to have their hands...I won't say it.

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some are bored. some are making a statement. I've known a few grafitti makers personally. I myself never went because I didn't have a tag. do you know what a tag is?

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I've seen rich people and poor people have beat up old cars. I've had a beat up old car and no one has ever told me it brought down property values. You mean your sympathy is with someone who puts a baseball bat through someone's windshield? Come on.

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You come on. Have you never been to a snotty neighborhood Virgil? you can't have junk in front of your house in certain communities. signage and certain yard decorations are prohibited as is a junky car. I am not talking about an old car that runs Virgil. I am talking about junk and some neighborhoods won't tolerate it. And they wouldn't have any sympathy if it was spray painted.

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Well, then the community should do something about it. Fines and whatever legal measures are legit. Deface it is not.

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Some grafitti is not meant to deface the property. And i stand by my statement: if a building is a run-down fire hazard that the owner won't fix or demolish, then I don't care if someone spray paints it.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

So, a businessman can leave a rundown, decrepit, hazardous building as is, just because he owns it?

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Communities have leagl avenues to address that. If you're not aware of it go to a lawyer and your Congressman.

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spray paint is not destructive. Dyanmite and fire are destructive. and if the building is falling down anyway, what is the difference? I don't know why you are so upset about it.

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I have a problem with people who have a cavilier attitude about doing what they like with other people's property. These are all rationalizations. People can come up with rationalization to do or take your property. Would you be happy?

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some are bored. some are making a statement. I've known a few grafitti makers personally. I myself never went because I didn't have a tag. do you know what a tag is?

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Yes, I know what a tag is, and don't tell me they only put it on falling apart buildings. I see it in my neighborhood on people's fences. there is a special crime unit devoted to graffiti.

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You come on. Have you never been to a snotty neighborhood Virgil? you can't have junk in front of your house in certain communities. signage and certain yard decorations are prohibited as is a junky car. I am not talking about an old car that runs Virgil. I am talking about junk and some neighborhoods won't tolerate it. And they wouldn't have any sympathy if it was spray painted.

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I grew up in Brooklyn NY. Graffiti was everywhere. Toleration of bad behavior no matter how insignificant it was seemd caused New York City to fall from one of the great cities in this country (in the 1940s and 50s it was referred to as the capital of the world) to a pathetic run down crime infested hole in the 1960s through 1980s. Today by by cracking down on quality of life crime (graffiti, squeegy washers, pan ahndlers, turnstile jumpers, ) New York has resurged and is once again the best city in the country. Toleration of bad behavior is not acceptable or excusable. It leads people to do other things. I wonder what other crimes these punks are committing.

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Some grafitti is not meant to deface the property. And i stand by my statement: if a building is a run-down fire hazard that the owner won't fix or demolish, then I don't care if someone spray paints it.

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Well, we disagree. Punks ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No one has the right to do anything to other people's property; anything else is rationalization.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Communities have leagl avenues to address that. If you're not aware of it go to a lawyer and your Congressman.

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in this community, a lot of our businessmen hold office so they can sidestep the legal process. If you're not aware of that fact of life, then wake up. If a grafitti artist wants to put his tag up on it, I don't give a crap.

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Yes, I know what a tag is, and don't tell me they only put it on falling apart buildings. I see it in my neighborhood on people's fences. there is a special crime unit devoted to graffiti.

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I never said that they only put it on run-down buildings only. where in my posts does it say that? it says that I don't care if they tag run-down buildings that are an eye-sore anyway. you need to read more carefully and if you are going to argue with me for the sake of arguing then I have nothing more to say to you other than to address the rest of this post. after that, I am finished with this discussion.

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I grew up in Brooklyn NY. Graffiti was everywhere. Toleration of bad behavior no matter how insignificant it was seemd caused New York City to fall from one of the great cities in this country (in the 1940s and 50s it was referred to as the capital of the world) to a pathetic run down crime infested hole in the 1960s through 1980s. Today by by cracking down on quality of life crime (graffiti, squeegy washers, pan ahndlers, turnstile jumpers, ) New York has resurged and is once again the best city in the country. Toleration of bad behavior is not acceptable or excusable. It leads people to do other things. I wonder what other crimes these punks are committing.

Well, we disagree. Punks ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No one has the right to do anything to other people's property; anything else is rationalization.

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Where in my posts does it say that I think they ought not be prosecuted? They should be prosecuted if they get caught. I am just saying that I do not care if someone tags a cruddy row of buildings downtown.

some graffiti, (not all) can be considered an art form. in the sixties, graffiti was a way for political activists to get their message across. People like you have reduced all of it to vandelism, which admittedly some of it is, but not all of it. However, graffiti does have an interesting history of some of it has artistic merit.

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Originally Posted by Shalot

If a grafitti artist wants to put his tag up on it, I don't give a crap.

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That's the problem with society. There are people who commit all sorts of crimes, even low level crimes, and there are people that don't give a crap.

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some graffiti, (not all) can be considered an art form.

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Well, then they can buy a canvas and paint that, and perhaps some idiot will buy it. I wonder how many idiots would buy graffiti.

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in the sixties, graffiti was a way for political activists to get their message across. People like you have reduced all of it to vandelism, which admittedly some of it is, but not all of it. However, graffiti does have an interesting history of some of it has artistic merit.

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:lol: Artist merit. :lol: It doesn't matter. Even if it has artistic merit it is a violation of someone's property.

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From Meriam-Webster:
vandalism
Main Entry: van·dal·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈvan-də-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1798
: willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property

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I didn't invent the word.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

That's the problem with society. There are people who commit all sorts of crimes, even low level crimes, and there are people that don't give a crap.




Well, then they can buy a canvas and paint that, and perhaps some idiot will buy it. I wonder how many idiots would buy graffiti.


:lol: Artist merit. :lol: It doesn't matter. Even if it has artistic merit it is a violation of someone's property.


I didn't invent the word.

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You are arguing with me for the sake of arguing. You have taken my posts out of context and you are insuating that i am sort of idiot and I don't appreciate it at all. You have put forth your opinion and you have stated that graffiti is vandelism and that's fine but don't insult me.


Graffiti actually has a fascinating history. Check out this website:

http://www.jam2dis.com/j2dgraffitihist1.htm

Obviously, graffiti has sort of de-vovled (is that a word) in some places into the petty vandalism that Virgil speaks of but I still think it's fascinating and not all of it should be dismissed.

Sometimes the government funds graffiti art. I remember there being some beautiful murals on the sides of buildings in Philidelphia.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.

The idea of a tatoo always grossed me out a little, but sometimes I consider getting a yin and yang on my ankle because that is what my history teacher has. It's very tasteful.

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Originally Posted by dramasnot6

Sometimes the government funds graffiti art. I remember there being some beautiful murals on the sides of buildings in Philidelphia.
Art is in the eye of the beholder.

The idea of a tatoo always grossed me out a little, but sometimes I consider getting a yin and yang on my ankle because that is what my history teacher has. It's very tasteful.

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don't do it! the ankle is usually visable. sometimes you just want to cover up your tat

graffiti - can't say I support it...but I must admit, I have seen some cool looking graffitit (even though its a crime, and destructive, the drawing looked cool)

Tattoo's and piercings:

Iv'e got 3 pircings total, two closed and one new one in my eyebrow...
Tattoo: Ive got 3: a Polish eagle on my right Shoulder, a German cross with dragon wings with a punisher skull in the center on my calf and a crazy owl like creature on my left shoulder

graffiti rules!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Shalot

graffiti rules!!!!!

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:p :p :p :p :p ;)

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Originally Posted by Virgil

:p :p :p :p :p ;)

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life is good. it's all good.

Thinking of getting a Catcher In The Rye Tattoo as I love the book.

However what do you people think sounds better.

The Tattoo will be going on the back of shoulder blade and won't be that big just a small quote.

What do you think?

"I'm Just A Catcher In The Rye"
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"A Catcher In The Rye"

What "word"ing do you think sounds better?

Thanks for your feedback

I used to love the book, too. I don't even know how many times I've read it. I haven't read it in about 20 years. I just wonder if you think you will love the book forever or if you think your literary taste might expand beyond the catcher? A tattoo is nothing to take lightly and you may find something more profound and deepening when you have read more.

don't do it!! they're expensive to remove. I think "I'm Just a Catcher in the Rye" is especially cheesey and I think you will regret it. Wait a while. Think it through. I don't think either of those are good tattoo choices.

One of the reasons that I've never gotten a tattoo, is because I look very much like my mother and grandmother. I couldn't picture them with one at all. That would just be wrong.:lol:

Oh, this is my favorite book too. However I think 'I'm just a catcher in the rye' doesn't sound good. You should find something else, but the idea of a tatoo is nice.

OK, honestly...why is this your favorite book? I've read it more than 4 times...at the ages of 12, 15, 18, 22, and 26. What? Its a semi modern youth thats saying "Don't grow up!" I don't get it...didn't JM Barrie do it better with Peter Pan, long before......? Or don't you know who Peter Pan is? Maybe its just me, but you write "I love this." Wouldn't it even be better to find out that Dostoeyevski wrote this already....or perhaps, Tolstoi's "Death of Ivan Illyich"....Wow, the person lives his entire life as an "Adult" (read it as adults/society expected), and finds that all of his life was wasted on that which didn't matter, that he didn't matter, and he didn't teach his children to matter. Must just be me, or maybe you've only read the book that every American student has read in junior or senior high school recognise it.

As far as scarring my body for the rest of my life with Literature...I would just get "When a Catcher sees a Catcher" across the left upper chest, (inside to outside) yes, thats where your heart is represented in common high school text books....Is it there though.

Wouldn't you rather have a Kafka~esque "Amerika" flag with cockroaches for stripes? Or a heart with the words "Take this from me!' or "Mom" or "There for the Grace of God go I? on a ribbon spanning the globe!

You wanna know why so many celebrities really say that it was their favorite book? Because they can barely read, or rarely read unless they make money....people be original....

This isn't a rip, this is more why is this YOUR favorite book? And you want to decorate your body with it.

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Originally Posted by B-Mental

OK, honestly...why is this your favorite book? I've read it more than 4 times...at the ages of 12, 15, 18, 22, and 26. What? Its a semi modern youth thats saying "Don't grow up!" I don't get it...didn't JM Barrie do it better with Peter Pan, long before......? Or don't you know who Peter Pan is? Maybe its just me, but you write "I love this." Wouldn't it even be better to find out that Dostoeyevski wrote this already....or perhaps, Tolstoi's "Death of Ivan Illyich"....Wow, the person lives his entire life as an "Adult" (read it as adults/society expected), and finds that all of his life was wasted on that which didn't matter, that he didn't matter, and he didn't teach his children to matter. Must just be me, or maybe you've only read the book that every American student has read in junior or senior high school recognise it.

As far as scarring my body for the rest of my life with Literature...I would just get "When a Catcher sees a Catcher" across the left upper chest, (inside to outside) yes, thats where your heart is represented in common high school text books....Is it there though.

Wouldn't you rather have a Kafka~esque "Amerika" flag with cockroaches for stripes? Or a heart with the words "Take this from me!' or "Mom" or "There for the Grace of God go I? on a ribbon spanning the globe!

You wanna know why so many celebrities really say that it was their favorite book? Because they can barely read, or rarely read unless they make money....people be original....

This isn't a rip, this is more why is this YOUR favorite book? And you want to decorate your body with it.

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I don't know why you feel the need to be condescending towards people on their literary tastes, seriously. Some books appeal to some people and not to others, it all depends on what your heart is made of and what touches you. It sometimes depends on your life history, too. Perhaps some other writers have written about the same subject, but sometimes you find that one writer touches you more than another. I'm not the best to anaylyse why a book touches me. I've first read the Catcher in French when I was little. Later I read it in English and appreciated it even more. I think the cynicism and depressed quality of the character appealed to something inside of me.

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Originally Posted by Sweets America

I don't know why you feel the need to be condescending towards people on their literary tastes, seriously. Some books appeal to some people and not to others, it all depends on what your heart is made of and what touches you. It sometimes depends on your life history, too. Perhaps some other writers have written about the same subject, but sometimes you find that one writer touches you more than another. I'm not the best to anaylyse why a book touches me. I've first read the Catcher in French when I was little. Later I read it in English and appreciated it even more. I think the cynicism and depressed quality of the character appealed to something inside of me.

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Really? B didn't sound condescending to me. B's advce sounds right on the money to me. In the states every high school kid has to read Catcher in the Rye. If Catcher in the Rye is their first introduction into literature this book may seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread but in comparison to the rest of literature it is pretty generic. Now if the OP is familiar with great works and still thinks Catcher in the Rye is tattoo worthy then go for it.


Back to the original question: Heck no, don't get either tattoo. If you must pay homage to the book what about getting a couple of Rye Stalks?

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Back to the original question: Heck no, don't get either tattoo. If you must pay homage to the book what about getting a couple of Rye Stalks?

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yes something ambiguous yet obvious like helgas shaking spear tatto...

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Really? B didn't sound condescending to me. B's advce sounds right on the money to me. In the states every high school kid has to read Catcher in the Rye. If Catcher in the Rye is their first introduction into literature this book may seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread but in comparison to the rest of literature it is pretty generic. Now if the OP is familiar with great works and still thinks Catcher in the Rye is tattoo worthy then go for it.


Back to the original question: Heck no, don't get either tattoo. If you must pay homage to the book what about getting a couple of Rye Stalks?

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I would have been very happy to read the Catcher in high school. :) I understand your point about the comparison between the Catcher and other books. But sometimes a book, even if it is not the greatest ever written, still sticks to your soul because you have felt something special in it. You say in comparison to the rest of literature it is pretty generic. but that might not be true to everyone. It all depends on personal taste and feelings.

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Originally Posted by Sweets America

I would have been very happy to read the Catcher in high school. :) I understand your point about the comparison between the Catcher and other books. But sometimes a book, even if it is not the greatest ever written, still sticks to your soul because you have felt something special in it. You say in comparison to the rest of literature it is pretty generic. but that might not be true to everyone. It all depends on personal taste and feelings.

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That may be, but I think that what they are saying is that as a person matures their thoughts, ideas and feelings about life, self, and literature will also mature. Personal taste and feelings change and evolve over time. When Bailey was little she loved Green Eggs and Ham, but I haven't read that to her in years. This is the same kind of thing. If a person continues to read really great books the Catcher will not seem so profound in comparison. It will seem an entirely different book when one is forty that it was when one was twenty. I think this one is suggested reading in high school but not in college for a reason.

That said, I'm not saying get a tattoo or don't. I would just hope that people would give this a lot of consideration. It's easier and less expensive to get a divorce than it is to remove a tattoo.

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Originally Posted by motherhubbard

That may be, but I think that what they are saying is that as a person matures their thoughts, ideas and feelings about life, self, and literature will also mature. Personal taste and feelings change and evolve over time. When Bailey was little she loved Green Eggs and Ham, but I haven't read that to her in years. This is the same kind of thing. If a person continues to read really great books the Catcher will not seem so profound in comparison. It will seem an entirely different book when one is forty that it was when one was twenty. I think this one is suggested reading in high school but not in college for a reason.

That said, I'm not saying get a tattoo or don't. I would just hope that people would give this a lot of consideration. It's easier and less expensive to get a divorce than it is to remove a tattoo.

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Yes I see what you mean here.:) Sometimes tastes change. Sometimes though they stay as they are, some of them at least. I am pretty sure that The Catcher will always have a place in my heart. Just like Stephen King, in a different way.
That's true that you never know if you will still like something in years, so the tatoo question is tough. But, oh well, in the meantime we never have certainties about anything in life, so let's not restrain ourselves, let's live for the moment.:)

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Originally Posted by Sweets America

I would have been very happy to read the Catcher in high school. :) I understand your point about the comparison between the Catcher and other books. But sometimes a book, even if it is not the greatest ever written, still sticks to your soul because you have felt something special in it. You say in comparison to the rest of literature it is pretty generic. but that might not be true to everyone. It all depends on personal taste and feelings.

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Well Sweets, I wish you would have read it when you were 12, and then reread it when you were 15, and then 16, and then, because I too love it...!

The rye stalks idea is genius...my mother had some, and put them on black velvet on and oval disk on the wall...it always reminded me of the book since I was young!

how about (Goddam money. It always ends up making you blue as hell)
:) just kidding

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Originally Posted by Shea

One of the reasons that I've never gotten a tattoo, is because I look very much like my mother and grandmother. I couldn't picture them with one at all. That would just be wrong.:lol:

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I love that Shea...my sweet smart friend. Cowbell-A-rooney. B

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Originally Posted by B-Mental

OK, honestly...why is this your favorite book? I've read it more than 4 times...at the ages of 12, 15, 18, 22, and 26. What? Its a semi modern youth thats saying "Don't grow up!" I don't get it...didn't JM Barrie do it better with Peter Pan, long before......? Or don't you know who Peter Pan is? Maybe its just me, but you write "I love this." Wouldn't it even be better to find out that Dostoeyevski wrote this already....or perhaps, Tolstoi's "Death of Ivan Illyich"....Wow, the person lives his entire life as an "Adult" (read it as adults/society expected), and finds that all of his life was wasted on that which didn't matter, that he didn't matter, and he didn't teach his children to matter. Must just be me, or maybe you've only read the book that every American student has read in junior or senior high school recognise it.

As far as scarring my body for the rest of my life with Literature...I would just get "When a Catcher sees a Catcher" across the left upper chest, (inside to outside) yes, thats where your heart is represented in common high school text books....Is it there though.

Wouldn't you rather have a Kafka~esque "Amerika" flag with cockroaches for stripes? Or a heart with the words "Take this from me!' or "Mom" or "There for the Grace of God go I? on a ribbon spanning the globe!

You wanna know why so many celebrities really say that it was their favorite book? Because they can barely read, or rarely read unless they make money....people be original....

This isn't a rip, this is more why is this YOUR favorite book? And you want to decorate your body with it.

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"This isn't a rip"

Come on now someone with a mind like your's surely knows what he's writing!

Also this is the first i'll heard of the book being common reading in America as were I live (The UK) I don't know anyone who's read it, I just come across it in a book store a couple years back and It took a hold of me.

"You wanna know why so many celebrities really say that it was their favorite book? Because they can barely read, or rarely read unless they make money....people be original...."

So in other words i'm a idiot who can't read due to the fact I like a book other people injoy?!

"I've read it more than 4 times...at the ages of 12, 15, 18, 22, and 26."

Why? If you don't like it that much why revist it so many times?

So to wrap this up sorry for wasting everyone's time here as I can tell from Mr Dickens here (Or he too popular as well?)

Regards'

P.S Yeah I know who Peter Pan is "Professor"

Listen you want to know what I would do in outer space? Read, write, party, smile, wait...I already did that! YOU have the power to be anything you want to be....and just think about how cool those tatoos I recommended would look! Or ask someone for all of the symbolism in them...

If I hurt your feelings...mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa....or Learn LATIN...!

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Also this is the first i'll heard of the book being common reading in America as were I live (The UK) I don't know anyone who's read it, I just come across it in a book store a couple years back and It took a hold of me.

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Thats cool that you chanced into the book, it was meant for you to read, je suppose. :)

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So in other words i'm a idiot who can't read due to the fact I like a book other people injoy?!

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I believe that B was only speculating on the fact that too many celebrities claim to have read that particular book (and his 'people be original' comment was directed at the celebrities) It wasn't so much an attack on you, Kenno, as he himself stated that he read the book more than one time :)

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So to wrap this up sorry for wasting everyone's time here as I can tell from Mr Dickens here (Or he too popular as well?)

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You didn't waste anyone's time - you have just as much right to post here as the next guy. But if I may, you need to have thicker skin around here -- after all you post about getting tattoes about books that have been banned for minors (extreme, but true, *sigh*), and well, there could be an assortment of reactions, you know? ;)

I am curious -- what have you decided to go with, Kenno? And a warm welcome to you, btw. :)

Well I see a poll and thread for piercings so how about tattoos.. Anyone have any really interesting tattoos? Tattoos that you wish you hadn't got? Tattoos with stories? Painful experiences? Enjoy the pain, hate it? self tattoos? anything about tattoos... put it all right here...

or not...:lol:

by the way I have 6 tattoos and none that I regret, though one was not a very good idea... in fact a very bad idea.. but I still like the memory it brings all the same... only one I did myself, and actually the funny thing is, it is the most recent, unfinished as of yet, kind of painful with a quill and some calligraphy ink, takes forever.. :lol:

now if I wasn't so incompetent with computers I might be able to figure out how to post pictures in these threads,.... any help available in this regard would be much appreciated... *smile*

I've none yet since I need parental permission (it sucks being under 18) but i plan on getting some to go along with my piercings.

You can post pictures by uploading them in www.photobucket.com (it's free) and then copying the IMG code. ♥

so here are a few of mine...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...tears/back.jpg

I want to get a vine of wild nootka roses growing up my spine and out beneath the tats I have there across my back... someday.. I need to find an artist to draw it... which is difficult.:bawling:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...tears/side.jpg


http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...s/IMGP3485.jpg

I have uncountable body mods, sitting at... *counts* 12 piercings, 14 tattoos, stretched ear lobes (1/4 inch) and subdermal implants. I really think that people who shun those who are modified are extremely ignorant. Piercing, tattoo, etc, is not a commentary on somebody's intelligence or ability. It's simply a form of expression, and often a spiritual quest.

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Originally Posted by BeccaT

I have uncountable body mods, sitting at... *counts* 12 piercings, 14 tattoos, stretched ear lobes (1/4 inch) and subdermal implants. I really think that people who shun those who are modified are extremely ignorant. Piercing, tattoo, etc, is not a commentary on somebody's intelligence or ability. It's simply a form of expression, and often a spiritual quest.

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woah, you're actually allowed to do that? at your age?! *shocked*

I only have 8 piercings (soon to be 13) all self-made, semi-stretched lobes (nothing too big) and am still waiting to get a tat.

^I live in Ontario. Piercing is legal without parental consent at age 16, tattoo is allowed at 16 WITH parental consent, but I'm a legally emancipated minor so I can get stuff done XD. My subdermal work is a gift from a friend of mine who works as a piercer. He's pierced me so many times we've become really good friends and he knows I'm responsible, ergo the work he does for me.

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Originally Posted by BeccaT

^I live in Ontario. Piercing is legal without parental consent at age 16, tattoo is allowed at 16 WITH parental consent, but I'm a legally emancipated minor so I can get stuff done XD. My subdermal work is a gift from a friend of mine who works as a piercer. He's pierced me so many times we've become really good friends and he knows I'm responsible, ergo the work he does for me.

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damn, I envy you woman. If I want a piercing i have to do it myself. I guess that's why I haven't pierced my lip yet, it terrifies me. :sick:

it's so nice not having to worry about not being allowed to do something because of age... :lol:

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Originally Posted by BeccaT

I have uncountable body mods, sitting at... *counts* 12 piercings, 14 tattoos, stretched ear lobes (1/4 inch) and subdermal implants. I really think that people who shun those who are modified are extremely ignorant. Piercing, tattoo, etc, is not a commentary on somebody's intelligence or ability. It's simply a form of expression, and often a spiritual quest.

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I don't think people should be judged or discriminated against because of bodyart either... it is ignorant.. I see it as another form of art, bodyart, and a very pure and personal expression of self and spirit.. it is often very spiritual.. it's often a reminder, a memory... mine are...

I guess this thread is old, but I never saw it.

None of the poll options are appropriate for me. I don't have a tattoo and I don't want one. But it's not because I think they are gross and it's not because I'm worried what society will think (clothes usually cover most of me anyway, if I was). I highly appreciate nice tattoos that are creative and look good. I just don't want one myself. Just like I don't, I dunno, wear jewelry (I'm female, btw). I just don't (my ears aren't even pierced). They just aren't adornments that I feel like having.