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But you know from Evolutionary perspective men and women "love" differently? Males try to spread their DNA while female try get the best DNA and once gotten they try to keep the Male interested in her until the offspring is raised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
And how does this show men are incapable of love? *extremely confused*Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
*edit to add*
Ah, as a matter of fact, you are admitting yourself 'men' do love too:
By Lote Tree: But you know from Evolutionary perspective men and women "love" differently?
It does not. And I never said that. Men and women are capable of "loving" but women are better at it than men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
So, only women can't love truly! Men can too. :) As for women being more capable of loving, I think I should rather not comment. It looks rather silly to me to make a generalisation on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
Pensy only women can love truly. Think about it. Only women can give birth to new life. Men can't. That's why men invented religion :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
Hmmm and how is this related to your claim that women can love better than men?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
*Grabs some popcorn and get ready to watch*:D
The very fact that they can bring New Life into the world...men can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
Men are men. Women can't be born as men. (unless they change their genders but still they are not born that way) Should this mean men can love better than women?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
By the way, Lote, you seriously need to read Biology!
Yes. And men can't give birth to new life. It is this that put's women on a pedestal that no man can reach. And hence it is this ability that makes them love truly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
All I can say is Waah Waah on your reasoning! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
Come on Pensy think serious about this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
Men can't give birth to new life. They lack this cosmic connection that comes with being able to create new lifeform. That is why men invented religion so that they can have this cosmic connection by having God speak to men only! :D
I agree with this, however;Quote:
Originally Posted by Redzeppelin
Love is both a feeling and an action. Being in love is a feeling, but it is not the same as the action of love. When we act on love, that is like acts of kindness or friendliness, and when those are returned that is the beginning of love. By the way, we do this with objects, too, it's called 'cathecting,' and is a valid form of love. I think your terminology about the differences of men and women loving is bogus because the process is the same for each. Give love, receive love, grow, etc.Quote:
1. We define "love" pretty loosely and often incorrectly - e.g.: "I love cats, I love my car, I love my wife." Right - so what does "love" mean? Since love is actually a choice (rather than a feeling) both genders are capable of the same depth of love (though men, through their inherent ability to compartmentalize can more easily isolate it, and women, through their relational wiring, integrate it more fully into their existence).
This is so localized, generalizing and bland...it is not even a 'rule' since there are probably large percentages in many different categories that are nothing like what you describe here. This is not how the genders are. It is maybe how some are, and even some stereotypes, maybe. But there are different nations, cultures, ages, all different types of people...you say that love is not a feeling, and then you consider an orgy to be the most powerful experience of love. Why not a mutual heroin experience? A love letter? A hug? A shared evening, or shared music? A shared life?Quote:
2. Men and women experience love differently; the old high school maxim that "girls give sex for love and guys give love for sex" is actually fairly accurate. For girls (and this is a generalization ladies, so go easy, OK?), sex is but one possible expression of "love" - but for guys, that often is THE expression of love. In other words, guys feel loved in the act of sex - it is the most powerful experience of "love" we can have - and because women can experience love in many other ways, they are less focused on it than men as a definitive method of communicating love. Yes, I know there are exceptions and such, but I think that both genders are capable of true "love" (whatever that is).
Anyway, at least you agree that obviously both can experience deep love..
And I was serious (of course with intended sarcasm though)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
*Drops bowl of popcorn*Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
Whoa!!! God speaks to men only?!
Take a look at some accounts of women who can give life, but they are still unable to love. How many mothers are guilty of killing their own children? How many abuse and neglect them? Being female does not mean that you are the only one who loves truly. Any parent is capable of loving their child, but both mothers and fathers alike are capable of not loving as well. Being able to bear a child does not place you on a pedestal that allows you to be the only sex that can love. Men may not carry the child, but what woman can become pregnant without men? A child is something that is created together, and while we carry and birth them it doesn't mean that we are somehow better than men. You always hear that only women can create life, but this is a narrow and selfish view held by women who have a need for feeling superior to men. Life is created together and no one sex can claim that miracle for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lote-Tree
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pensive
Salam Pensive :-)
Peace
Regards,
Lote.
I believe that the ability to truely love is a matter of who the person is inside, not if they are male or female. I just don't think that matters. I've known women who have left their children forever and could not care less about their welfare, just as I've know men to do the same. Then I've known parents who have gone through hell to make the lives of their children better. It's the same with a man/woman relationship. (or man/man or woman/woman)
I don't think the sex of a person give that person the ability to love completely. I think it's the heart.
I agree to you Granny5.Love is a universal language and if thats philosophy biology blames love on hormones. Basically philosophy and biology prevails in one and all. It does not matter whether you are a man or woman when it comes to love all of us are the same. Its like arguing whether a man or woman dies better.
I can't even comment on this topic without editing every thought. I don't want to have a moderator edit or delete, but why do people start topics like this? Infuriating
To amuse :D and we do desperately need some amusement around here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by B-Mental
Well, of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
The "in love" feeling is known as infatuation. Once infatuation dies down, the true work of "love" begins. Love begins where infatuation ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
The Christian concept of "love" makes it clear that it is not something we act upon because we feel kindly or attracted to someone because we're told to "love" our enemies; in that instance, "love" means to do what is in that person's best interest. Sometimes painful things are in someone's best interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
I'm less than half concerned about how you feel about my terminology. Men and women do not experience, process, and understand love the same way because our psyches and emotional makeups are radically different. Psychology has clearly established that. If we both experienced it the same, I doubt we'd have the difficulties we see between couples. Men and women universally struggle in relationships, partly because we do not understand what the other person wants or needs in terms of "love."Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
OK, so you disagree. My reading and my experience suggest my conclusions. Your hysterical overstatement of my point about men and sex suggests that you don't really want to take the issue seriously. So be it. Why don't you come up with a counter-argument instead of being sarcastic next time?Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
I suppose so.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
No worries, Red. Have a nice life.
Women Love is like the Ocean full of salt and completely on drinkable. Men's like a little pond capable of quenching the thurst of many and never claiming any lives.
You cannot compare the way men and women love. Men and women are like two seperate creatures
A woman will many times show her love though passion and small acts. While men like doing dig physical things. Any man who is truly in love would willingly die for their love by taking the blow. While a woman would die for their love out of sorrow and by trying to nurse them back to life.
"reach their gender's potential" lol
Oh Baki, that's a very cynical thing to say. May I ask what makes you think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakiryu
I have a question for Redzeppelin, if he's still around!! I understand what you were saying to Nik, but what do you think about the "love" a person has for something other than another person, such as an animal? Do you believe that the phyiscal aspect of love prevents one from truly loving anything but another?
Great question Classic. I wonder about Red's answer, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
And Baki, a man can love his wife as much as his wife loves him..ask Virgil or Poppy or Pen.
Is this truly all you think there is to love of another? These choices. I would hope this is a joke.
To think that men and women are incapable of loving the same and equally is probably at the heart of the reason those who think so can't.