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Originally Posted by littlewing53
I am honored that you posted you first post here in this very thread! I say unto you, welcome to Lit-Net! Please, enjoy your stay here. If you should need anything, don't hesitate to ask.
Hmm...Yep...Sensible.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JGL57
I would also like to welcome littlewing to LitNet!!! :D Love the passage btw . . . it's funny how some passages that used to make me uneasy when I started reading the Bible again, have become a comfort since. Hope you enjoy LitNet!
Hi littlewing, welcome aboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
I'm anostic and I'm very interested in the things being discussed in this forum. Could I ask, what does this passage mean to you? And why do you like it? Specifically:
What secret place?
Who or what is the 'most high'?
I guess it could mean that no matter how elevated in society one becomes, one is always less than the creator. Is that what it's trying to say? If so, this would seem rather self-evident, no? If there is indeed a universal creator, then by default nothing can be more important than it.
good morning..thk u'all 4 the nice welcome [smiling]...when yr searching there's always something nice 2b found...
diamond in the ruff..2me scripture has power...the power to heal, cleanse, renew, cover, provide...it is everything n more..never got that until i went back to reading, and reading the bible...that is where you can find him...if my bible gathers dust, i am in big trouble...
wntrbluz, what is an agnostic? yr ? regarding the meaning of this passage...have you read the whole psalm? ...the line that opened my eyes as a new believer ...."...he shall cover thee w/his feathers and under his wings thou shall trust.."...it's verse 4..the veil was lifted from my eyes/heart, his spirit spoke to my spirit...and the mystery was revealed...he, jesus christ, is my savior for all time...he is everything...what is the secret place...it's his perfect covering, him revealed...liken it to a storm that brews offshore coming in and blowing hard...in the clift of the rocks there is a space that hides from the wind, cold...a shelter, a refuge...the most high, is jesus christ who came as a man to die on the cross 4you, 4me 4everyone to live free from death that he conquered with his resurrection...oh death where is yr sting....
An agnostic is someone who doesn't claim to know for certain what's going on in the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
Sorry, I'm uncertain (hehe) what yr means, particularly in this context.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
Yep, I have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
Reminds me of a poem--Emiliy Dickinson I think....Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
Hope is that thing with feathers,
That perches in the soul.
I think we all hope something wonderful is going on in the universe, and that death is not the end of it.
So why is it a secret place? I'm sorry for being so dense, but I just don't get it. I mean I understand about your 'cleft in the rocks' where one can find shelter and how this might be compared to a belief in a paranormal being and the comforth that could bring. But why is it a secret? Again, sorry for being such a goober, but I really want to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
This always bothers me. I still don't understand why, if God is omicient, he didn't anticipate the fact that things were going to go wrong and correct them before having to send someone to get murdered. Why not just do it right in the first place? I've heard all the arguments about free-will, etc., but alas, they make no sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlewing53
Perhaps I'm fated to sit atop my fence for a very long time.
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Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
That's not true. If anything the Bible teaches us many things that are severely untrue.
Exodus 21:7 says its ok to sell your daughter into slavery
Exodus 35:2 says anyone working on the sabbath should be put to death
Corinthians 11:14 says if a man has long hair it is a shame unto him and in the next verse that all woman should be covered when praying.
Also the verse people site when saying that a man shall not lie with another man and what not, well if you flip to the next page theres a passage that says that its ok to stone to deat disobedient children.
Favorite book is Exodus
Well of course, who doesnt like a book about slavery, death, and racism.
hello winter...i so dig emily...
Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune without the words,
And never stops at all,
And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.
I've heard it in the chilliest land
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.
...goober...[smiling]...haven't heard/seen that word in ages....
...not so much as secret, but hidden....
thrz that WHY question again...2me it's all abt faith in what we can't see and what we hope for...hebrews 11:1...it's a process thru the life i lead...growing, nurturing, learning, understanding, dying, giving way....u mention free will and yr undrstdg and then wonder why god just didn't take over...r we created 2b puppets...it's an eternal argument...it's all abt dying in a physical sense and living in a spiritual sense...i can only speak of my experiences and my thoughts....and it sure aint EZ...black n white...and then thrz gray...left 'n right 'n middle ground...hrz a scripture reflective of sitting on a fence...
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it...matthew 7:13-14
..not only do i seek wisdom but the understanding of that wisdom...otherwiz it's pearls before swine...
Whoa! Wait a darn minute here. I said "many" not "all" wonderful teachings.:p Besides, you shouldn't read just one or two verses and follow it literally and keep it for the rest of your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by mS_?
I think some common sense is needed to read the Bible and, not only that, to truly understand the Bible, one must read the whole Bible, not just parts of it.
As a teenager I read through the KJV - twice. But forget atheists for a sec - how many Christians could say that? - I'm guessing quite a tiny per cent of the flock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
BTW, is anyone here familiar with the Jeffersonian Bible? It's the bible less the bullcrap. Quite a good read - sort of short though. :lol:
I'm partial to Galatians 6:7-9
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well-doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not."
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Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
Well if its your god and he infallable then how can you pick and choose the passages you want, I'm veering a little off topic here i feel.
Well, maybe you're veering a little off topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mS_?
This thread was created so that people can speak about their favorite passage, book, and/or verse in the Holy Bible. Also, it's to tell about why it's so important or, at least, why they remember that particular passage. Is it meaningful to them in some ways and so on?
But, anyway, back to what you were saying. If you were speaking to me directly, I never did say anything about "my god" or "infallible".
I think there's another thread in which you can talk about this stuff. If there's not, you can create one. Just remember to keep to the rules, please. I ain't a moderator or anything, just a nice guy who likes to keep the peace.:D
If you wish to continue this topic and/or discussion with me, send me a private message.
This is my favorite as well, but I also like the verses further on, Ecclesiastes 3:9-14 What does the worker gain from his toil? I have seen the burden God has laid on men. He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.Quote:
Originally Posted by patriotfan_90
It is such a beautiful chapter and always puts things in perspective for me. When I am having a hard time I read this verse and know that good is coming and that the bad will work out to be beautiful.
First some background, when I was growing up in Scotland I was a member of the "Boys Brigade" which is an organisation similar to the Cadets with the only difference being that it is linked to the church. I owe a lot to that organisation, and feel it has had some impact on how I turned out. The object of the boys brigade is the advancement of Christ's kingdom among boys and the promotion of habits of obedience, discipline, reverence, self respect and all that tends towards a true christian manliness. The advancement of Christ's kingdomdidnt quite stick with me, but the other qualities are still there nonetheless. In my last year before leaving I attained the Queen's badge (highest award possible in the organisation). This included a variety of leadership, team-building, and outdoor courses including a list of questions to be answered - one of which was what is your favourite verse? & why?
This was my answer at 17:
"My favourite verse in the bible is Matthew Chapter 6, verse 24: "No one can be a slave of 2 masters he will hate one and love the other; he will be loyal to one and despise the other. You can't serve both God and money." I like this verse as it reminds me that there is so much more to life than money,things like friendship, trust & God."
My answer at 25, is still the same verse and for similar reasons except for the reference to God at the end of it.
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Originally Posted by mS_?
Hi there - did you have a favorite passage or story or did you not happen to read the title of this thread before posting in it?
Matthew 24:4-14
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Ah, I finally find the verse I referred to in the previous post - here it is, in context:
Ecclesiastes 9:2 - 12
2. All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.
3. This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.
4. For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
7. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
8. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.
9. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.
10. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
11. I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
12. For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.
John 14
"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going."
Jesus the Way to the Father
Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well, From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me anything in my name, and I will do it.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?"
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
"All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.
"Come now; let us leave.
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Our sermon today in my church was about this chapter and it spoke to me so much I had to share it all with you, quite literally all of it. The reason why, is if you look carefully, IMHO, every question one could have about Jesus is answered here. I obviously don't mean ridiculous questions like , 'how tall was Jesus?' but for those who honestly and earnestly seek to know God and to be in a closer relationship with Him, well here is 'the Way'. :)
Wow...Looks like you've improved in your writing.:lol: Anyway, this is cool. Looks like you're really enjoying your stay here in Lit-Net.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GimmyDiamond
So, how tall do you think Jesus is...?:lol:
I couldn't disagree more about the translation of the KJV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
As far as the Old Testament is concerned, you would be MUCH better off with the JPS translation of the Tanakh than the KJV.
I am a firm believer that the New International Version is as close as you can get to the original, actually.
A large part of te reason is the flaws pointed out in the translation process that was taken (that you acknowledged from The Jackle).
There are other problems as well.
Do you know about the New International version and how it was translated?
Have you read it?
You should look into it.
With that in mind, have you read any of the non-canonical books - books that were rejected by the Holy Roman Church?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
I've heard about the New International version...And even read it a little. But I kind of stop reading since it wasn't "old school"...You know, the old tongue? But eventually, I'll read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by one_raven
As for how it was translated...I have no clue. Please, do tell...:D
I've seen and watched tons of documentaries about this subject. I know that they were some books that was rejected and neglected for reasons that it might cause some confusion and chaos among the people of the faith. But I've never read any of it...At least, I don't think I did. If I can get my hands on 'em, I would read 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by one_raven
More than 100 scholars from six English-speaking countries, as well as editors and English stylists, worked on the NIV. The scholars represented more than 20 denominations.
In the 17th century, King James translators worked from the Erasmus Greek text of the New Testament. Erasmus had six Greek manuscripts from which to work. NIV translators work from more than 5,000 complete or partial manuscripts and papyri.
It took 10 years to complete the NIV translation. The process started in 1968 and finished in 1978. This does not include more than 10 years of planning before 1968.
The system for editing each book is one of the distinctive features of the NIV. The procedure was as follows:
- Initial Translation Team
- Intermediate Editorial Committee
- General Editorial Committee
- Stylist and Critics
- Executive Committee (or Committee on Bible Translation)
- Final Stylistic Review
- Executive Committee's Final Reading
The NIV was created and is maintained with the mandate to accurately and faithfully translate the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic biblical texts into clearly understandable English.
The NIV is the most widely accepted contemporary Bible translation today. More people today buy the NIV Bible than any other English-language translation.
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fascinating thread, Neo. I'll definitely keep visiting.
Here's mine.
Romans 8:38-39Quote:
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
...Whenever God rains down destruction. It shows God's true colors, me thinks.
Interesting...Interesting...This reply has been long overdue. Sorry 'bout that.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by one_raven
Anyway, I will eventuall read the whole different translations of the Bible and do some cross refrencing. But, until I find or have the time, I'll stick with K.J. version.
I just really like 'em old school style. It may not be as accurate as the others but it's impact is great.
You see, I don't know about you guys but, the new translations for easy reading and understanding just doesn't have as much impact on me as the K.J.V.
When a word sounds different the impact of that word is affected.
For example, take Psalm 23:4 in the NIRV (New International Reader's Version): "Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,
I will not be afraid.
You are with me.
Your shepherd's rod and staff
K.J.V. Psalm 23:4 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."
Both are the same verse, just worded differently. I don't know, I just like 'em old school, I guess. But the NIRV or any of the other newly translated version just doesn't appeal to me.
It's the impact of it. The new translated version just doesn't seem to hit you as hard as the K.J.V.
Hi Matt, if you don't have a favorite verse, then please don't post here because in case you are unable to read, the thread is titled What is your favorite passage,book,or verse of the Bible. not lets blast christianity. Thanks and have a nice dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Man
"Open Thou mine eyes,
that I may behold wondrous
things out of Thy law."
(Psalm 119:18, King James Version)
To me, this Bible
Verse suggests a desire
to know God better.
This Bible Verse reads
well in Prose and Haiku, in
my lay opinion!
Hallelujah!
Amen.
Sincerely,
Uncle Lar
Ephesians 6:10-20
God's Armour
Finally, let the Lord make you strong. Depend on his mightly power. Put on all of God's armour. Then you can stand firm against the devil's evil plans. Our fight is not against human beings. It is against the rulers, the authorities and the powers of this dark world. it is against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly world.
So put on all of God's armour. Evil days will come. But you will be able to stand up to anything. And after you have done everything you can, you will still be standing.
So stand firm. Put on the belt of truth around your waist. Put the armour of godliness on your chest. Wear on your feet what will prepare you to tell the good news of peace. Also, pick up the shield of faith. With it you can put out all of the flaming arrows of the eveil one. Put on the helmet of salvation. And take the sword of the Holy Spirit. The sword is God's word.
At all times, pray by the power of the Spirit. Pray all kinds of prayers. Be watchful, so that you can pray. Always keep on praying for all of God's people. Pray also for me. Pray that when I open my mouth, the right words will be given to me. Then I can be bold as I tell the mystery of the good news. Because of the good nes, I am being held by chains as the Lord's messenger. So pray that I will be bold as I preach the good news. That's what I should do.
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I love this passage. It's so inspiring and hopeful and uplifting! It is also a good reminder to be fearless when declaring the gospel even as we are bound by chains (any kind of chains). God Bless!
first epistle of Saint John Chaper Four Verses Seven and Eight
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
I figure I would put up a passage of friend's favorite.
Proverbs 3:5-6
5 “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”
Said it gave him hope. Same goes for me.
Where is the latter thread? I can't find it?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by watkinsguy
(Job, Job, and Job)
Fine and dandy, EXCEPT in the OP, after a listing of a favorite bible verse the poster includes some philosophical speculation, thus I think we are all entitled to address these comments (see last two full paragraphs of the OP below):Quote:
Originally Posted by watkinsguy
I agree with NS here. There are a lot of “somethings” and “someone elses” to believe in. There are other holy books and philosophies that speak to many people in a way that christianity does not, e.g., Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo_Sephiroth
Perhaps a thread should be started on one’s favorite verse, scripture, aphorism, or teachings from whatever philosophy, religious or secular, and not just from the christian bible. That might be less boring than this thread, methinks.
JGL,
If you do not find the contents of this particular thread intersting enough, you do not have to read or post here. And you can always start another thread.
I've always like Ecclesiastes a lot, as it seems to me to come closer than the other books to actually saying something true.
One of my favorite verses is the one I refer to as "the Cretian paradox":
Titus 1:12
"One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies."
I believe the "always" is hyperbole, as it so often is.
Well, perhaps. I don't mean "always" in the sense of the entirety of eternity past, but I've been reading the Bible since I was able to read, at about 4 years, and since that time I've preferred Ecclesaistes to any of the other books in the Bible.
I hope that clarifies my previous reply.