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We have heard this before. But human beings have this uncanny knack for survial!Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
I think your assesment is too gloomy. Sure there are challenges for humanity. But we have the power to solve it. All it needs will power!
You seem a little defensive--I didn't say there was something 'wrong' with it. Just pointing out a fact. But I always wonder why people (like this guy too) have to resort to posting their life's work in public discussion forums instead of having it published in a more scholarly/traditional manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
Well, Sushil, if you don't want to enjoy the benefits of the modern world, you don't have to. Good luck. I for one thank God I live in the modern world. I enjoy the modern world with all of its comforts and reasonable work days, and if people were presented with the options of pre-industrial with industrial, then I am certain almost everyone would choose the modern world. Even you I doubt lives in a pre-industrial manner. Do you live in a hut? Do you have plumbing? Do you have electricity? Come on, let's get real.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
Social change is something that requires networking, and it takes a long time and it is gradual. Unorganized protests are doomed to fail, futile as flipping off a motor-cyclist. Social change will be more successful as a movement (you can't arrest a movement) rather than when they take up a savior for the cause. And Virgil, no one is calling sushil a savior, so let's look at his ideas and discuss them, rather than worrying about what kind of life he leads.
We are killing the environment. Somewhat recently the first species of animal went extinct thanks specifically to global warming, a snail.
About labor; it wasn't until we industrialized that it became so bad for us, when factory workers became cogs in a machine, working themselves to death. I don't totally agree with sushil's equations, but thank you for bringing them up...
Let me ask you nick, how you would want us to lead life? Without modern medicine? That requires factories and factory workers ("cogs" as you call them) to make medicine and equipment. Do you want us to live with cars? Do you us want to live without electricity? How many people are you going to put out of work? Do you us want to live without plumbing? Or airconditioning? Or dishwashers? Or without sheetrock for your walls? Or concrete for you your home foundation or wood (trees cut down, the horror!) for your home? Or are you going to plant all your food? what are you going to use for toilet paper nick, when you find out that there is a factory of cogs that make toilet paper so you can wipe your pampered rear?Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
I bet you no one would live like that. I see from your profile you're 19 years old. Well, when you grow up and live real life, come back and debate this with me, especially when you've gone and tried to live your utopia. Then you can tell me how easy it is.
I think we should produce our food locally. If there were a crises in our current situation, there could be lots of starvation in the cities, as it would be hard to bring food in due to traffic concerns. I think we should restructure our cities, among other things. I think sushil had an interesting point in that a lot of our concerns have to do with things that are unnecessary, and as is proven, do not make us happier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
Another big problem, that has to do with our direct effects on the world, is global warming. There are two antarctic shelves; one of them is on land, and one of them in the water. If the one on land went into the water, it would raise ocean levels 20-60 feet, and this would decimate a lot of the population that lives near the coast. One way to cool down the earth would be to put reflectors in the sky. This is doable. Also, the first species of life has become extinct, not due to our actions but due to global warming. This species was a snail.
Our ages are not relevant to this, and frankly I found your response hostile. If your next post is in a similar tone, I won't reply.
Please refrain from personalising your comments.
Well, I guess it did come across hostile. I meant it as sarcastic and perhaps went over board. I apologize for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
But I find your solutions simple at best. I was going to say utopian, but frankly that is even too lofty a term. Do you think anyone can live by raising their own vegtables, without electricity, without factories, without modern medicine? Do you think other than a few people as yourself that anyone would want to? You know, we tried this once. It was called the middle ages.
I know it is a simple thing to say, produce the food locally. But I think it is a very good idea. And that doesn't mean rejecting all technology at all, it just means we rethink the ways our cities and populations are structured/located/fed. As for the other, it matters not what you and I say here on lit-net. Even if I thought we should reject all technology, which might be best for the species in the long term, it would not happen. And let's say we rejected such things, and yet still butchered each other- then it would be as bad as now, or worse. If we rejected them, and figured out a way to live in peace (I know, I know, a lot of people don't want this..) then it might be better. I do accept this as being utopian and idealist, and I do admit myself to be utopian and idealist, it is just how I am. If you want to talk about that, fine. My father does, he comes from a more cynical point of view, and I could get into all the personal history and background, but I'd rather not. But suffice it to say that I am not unaware of reality, I actually pride myself on my wakefulness...and then let go of that pride.
..And when I say "as bad as now" I do not mean anything particular by it. I do not, in fact, mean things are bad now. But we cannot really go into that, for it is politics.
OK, so paint a picture for me as to how this would work? Rethink for me what cities and life should be like.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
No, you don't have to tell me about your personal history. And you sound like a nice young man. I have my ideals too, it's just that they are somewhat different than yours. I wish for humanity, everywhere, in all countries, to live at the highest standard of living. And at peace. I just believe how we get there is different than how you think we should get there. To summarize my point of view, industry and modern technology, in contrast to Sushil, has made people's lives far better, and the spread of that technology to all people would make people's lives better. Don't tell me the suffering that goes on in Africa would not be helped by a modern way of life.Quote:
As for the other, it matters not what you and I say here on lit-net. Even if I thought we should reject all technology, which might be best for the species in the long term, it would not happen. And let's say we rejected such things, and yet still butchered each other- then it would be as bad as now, or worse. If we rejected them, and figured out a way to live in peace (I know, I know, a lot of people don't want this..) then it might be better. I do accept this as being utopian and idealist, and I do admit myself to be utopian and idealist, it is just how I am. If you want to talk about that, fine. My father does, he comes from a more cynical point of view, and I could get into all the personal history and background, but I'd rather not. But suffice it to say that I am not unaware of reality, I actually pride myself on my wakefulness...and then let go of that pride.
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Originally Posted by Virgil
Virgil,
Sure, you live in the modern world.
You live in America.
You live in the country where 5% of world population is consuming 40% of world resources.
The entire world knows "The Great American Dream is a Nightmare for the Planet".
It is you who needs to get real - it is you who needs to do some introspection.
sushil_yadav
Mod Note: any more negative personal comments directed at other members will get this closed.
The US is consuming 40% of the world's resources? Where did you get that? Probably bogus. And even if we were, we're paying for it, so tell the other parts of the world not to sell it to us. No introspection will ever get me to not live my dream. Look, you want to live like a pauper or a caveman feel free. Don't tell me how to live my life.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.
Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.
"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
So what do you propose?Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
No manifactured goods?
No heating?
No home building?
No food production?
Tell us, what do you propose to remendy the problem? If you are so sure that all these things are evil and doing harm to everything, you must have some solution in mind. Please share it with us.
Presumably because scholarly usually means peer-reviewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Logos
I think if we disabled 99.9% of roads, stopped use of that much electricity and gas. disable most of the roads; we still live in our houses, and we can make houses, we just don't do it on such scales as before. produce the food locally and move it in a way that doesn't hurt the environment. Otherwise we will be dead very soon. Recreate trees, the one resource we really can renew, and hope for the best...
How long is "dead very soon?" Two months? Two years? Ten years? Let me know. I ned to prepare.Quote:
Originally Posted by NikolaiI
I personally think that we shouldn't fuss about the things that we enjoy. If I felt that electric power was wrong and killing the world, I wouldn't use any. And if I felt that it was wrong to live in a home built by killing the world's trees, I wouldn't live in a home. How can anyone justify taking advantage of the comforts of modern life and complain about the evils of it at the same time? I like modern life.
If there is one thing that is constant in life, it is change. The life that exists today is because it has adapted to that change. The stone age did not end because the world ran out of stones. those living at the time slowly adapted to change which they eventually perceived was better.
Some people resist change, and suffer the consequences, which can vary according to the extent of their resistance.
Although the movement marked from the agrarian age to the industrial occurred some four hundred years ago (there is no precise beginning) it has been a progression of accelerating change since that time.
Technology, especially recent advances in information technology takes over from the mind of man which cannot keep pace. A bright young spark of our age;- William (Bill) Gates wrote a book 'Business at the speed of Thought.'
We are hampered by the inability to explore all the opportunities that even our present discoveries have brought forth. we have not developed our minds to anything near one quarter potential. ( I am being generous there)
How many people have expensive, state of the art, super fast computers, yet only use them for mundane tasks that even an old, cheaper version could do. To an extent, even I am guilty here. So it is not the lack of awareness that hold many back.
Is there any other past age in which you would like to serve your life sentence, than the one you are living now? Think first, and answer, to yourself, truthfully.
(I don't mean flip back in a time machine for a couple of hours, or so)
Change can often be 'uncomfortable,' it can make us insecure. We like the familiar. We have sayings like - better the devil you know........... This is what makes many stay in relationships which common sense, never mind their friends, tells them they should get out of.
It is a waste of time, and energy, looking to returning to the past, it is like wanting to return to our youth (if we've passed it). Time is a forward movement. Only the hands on a clock will move back, the time does not.
Some of my most unhappiest moments have been when I have tried to go back to my past, and, consequently, I won't enlarge.
Fighting lost causes, and wishing for the past, are fools pursuits. It wastes the one thing that is precious, and can never be replaced - TIME!
Therefore apply the mind to seeing benefits of the age, and, for better or for worse, adapting to them, and enjoying them. It's all you have got. Life, on earth, is not a practice run. Live it, love it, and seize the day.
As I mentioned in the opening of my above post that life is one of constant never ending change. However, what is not realised by so many is that change has also brought about the pace of change.
In the early days of human existence, change was slow and related far more to nature. In nature, as with a stone in natural situ, even today, the change if left only to the normal elements is imperceptible in a persons lifetime - and beyond.
However, as the mind of man has developed (not destroyed) he (this includes she) has innovated, and brought forth from his imagination developments that have chain reacted by cause and effect to increase the pace by which change has brought about further change.
We have always been limited only really by our ability to think, imagine, and communicate our thoughts and findings.
Books, and printing, increased the pace at which records could be made and circulated.
Then we had the telephone, and the computer - the latter still in its infancy.
To illustrate my point. From what I have read, the use of fire was known to homo sapiens about one and a half million years ago. But some historians say that it took over a million years before he started to rub two sticks together, and spread the word by 'monkey see, monkey do'.
Yet the humble match was not even known at the time of the American Revolution. In fact, the match was not invented until the early 19th century.
Think of the very highly sophisticated inventions that have occurred over the past 100 years, the past fifty years. Think, as change gathers pace, and computers provide much of the 'thinking' for man, and transfers this thought at ever increasing speeds - HOW WILL LIFE BE IN ANOTHER FIFTY YEARS?
Nymo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nymo
Thanks for your views.
Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.
Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.
Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.
Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.
"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".
Destroy consumerism......before it is too late.
Destroy Industrial Society......before it is too late.
Just do it.
sushil_yadav
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Originally Posted by NikolaiI
The earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years, causing extinction to many species of animals, plants, and other life forms. If you're trying to say that man-induced global warming has caused the extinction of this snail, there is hardly enough correlation to prove whether we are causing the warming, or if it's a natural cycle with irregularities in sun activity.
My apologies, I got a little sidetracked.
I have one posing question for your article sushil:
In the test you'd wish to perform, how do you propose to measure the intensity of the emotions? This is qualitative data, and science relies on quantitative data. Even finding a chemical correlation would not ensure accurate results.
Adopt,Quote:
Originally Posted by Adopt
Thanks for your post.
The experiments I have proposed are primarily meant for those people who understand only the language of science. We don't need experiments to understand that our present lifestyle is destroying our Minds and Environment - the evidence is everywhere - left, right and center. The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 - 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Nature/ Environment and restlessness of mind. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.
Some people demand proof of everything. They won't accept anything without proof. How do people accept their father as their father? Where is the proof?
Scientific proof comes from DNA testing. How many people have got the DNA test conducted?
Two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.
Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.
sushil_yadav
This allergy or kind of antipathy to science is a baseless obsession and not anything to take pride in in point of fact. Science is not to blame and it is indeed we human beings that make misuse of it.
Science is homogeneously consistent with the evolution of man, and man keeps on evolving eternally.
Now you would be in a cave if there was no science. And if we choose to be cave men and argue for that kind of life we are simply hypocritically behaving.
Like it or not, materialism is the result of 18th century's "philosophical discoveries".
Only just, I went through reading Chastellux's "An Essay on Public Happiness: Investigating the State of Human Nature...". (1772)
It was mainly he who inspired Franklin, Washington and Jefferson,advising them to deviate from greek and roman philosophy and be at ease with their "wealth", the result of "new territory"and "science unlimited" combined.
We suffer and live a stressful life owing to civilization and industrialization.
For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.
But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.
Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.
Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.
One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.
So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.
So when are we moving to a new home ?
Next year - or 5 years later ?
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
I read most of this post and I think it is interesting but everyone knows that the past is the past. There is no going back right now. I bet there isn't one person out there on this web site that doesn't have A/C or a Television. We all have a choice to use them and we all choose to. We are spoiled and have lost faith in the simple things in life. Basically we live to die and let it hurry up. This is so sad for anyone to feel that way. All we have to do is slow down and enjoy the simple things. We all have the power to do it if we want to. Question is can you go a day without driving or watching TV. Better than that turn the A/C off on a hot summer day. I bet you only last a couple hours or until you start to sweat.
I work as supervisor running industrial projects, I have a lot time dealing with the younger generation. Most refuse to work outdoors to make good money. I have to hire Mexicans to complete jobs because I can't get our youth to do them. This is a major problem because we have became too educated and figure we don't have do but what we want to do. The Media doesn't help this by only broadcasting the bad in us all. We need a time of hardships to get us up to do the right things again. Let me say this hard work never hurt no one, try cutting your own grass for a change. See the outcome, it can be over whelming to watch plants grow. This is our ego system and you can't experence it from a book. Face it life will always go on and people will exist through out time. It is a matter of how we live that is at stake. I feel at sometime we will convert back to the ways of old, it will be because of necessity, not because anyone's wants it.
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Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazeofglory
"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".
These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.
You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.
Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.
We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.
If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.
If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.
The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.
This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.
We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.
Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.
Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].
Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.
The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.
Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
It's not entirely impossible, it's at least theoretically possible to run everything on solar power... we may have to produce less, and you are right that we should be more careful.
The root of everything is living sumptuously and harnessing resources beyond capacities.
Industrialization is leveraged owing to the philosophy that greed is a virtue.
I'll put forward one solution seen as though theres hardly been a dearth- Giant trees. Trees give us the things we really need, air, food, shelter, medicine, they give life to all things. We could do worse than live in societies with as many trees as possible, perhaps genetically enhance them to improve air output but who knows. Ginat trees, yeah :smash: order, order.
I hope you're still a member here, because I haven't seen this thread previously, and you raise a most interesting topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
I think your thinking is a little flawed, and if you reply, I'll be glad to go through that.
Oddly enough, I hear this view espoused by several otherwise intelligent people and I do find it incredible that anyone is stupid enough to think this is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
It's taken us 40 years of "space travel" to land a few blokes on the moon, get one telescope working and nearly build an international space station which might work.
Aside from the logistics of keeping a breeding population alive for probably hundreds of years, humans aren't designed to live in zero-G, and that will require either forced anatomical evolution, or artificial gravity.
I agree - probably the most laughable suggestion ever.
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Mammon is the real god.Quote:
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What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we compare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.
Economy is a non-issue. Environment is important. Economy will not even exist without environment. Humans will not even exist without environment.
Modern society has plunged to extreme depths of insanity.
Modern society thinks it can be sustainable while it continues producing thousands of consumer goods.
Modern society thinks a peaceul world is possible while it continues to sell billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.
Modern society thinks cancer can be cured while it continues flooding the ecosystems with thousands of carcinogens.
On a small planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference the first rule of sustainability is - destroy less.
We destroy ecosystems for food - for clothing - for shelter - and for thousands of consumer goods.
The less we destroy - the more sustainable we are.
The fewer things we make - the more sustainable we are.
On a small planet like earth only a non-consumerist society can be sustainable - only a society that destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter[and health care] can be sustainable.
When something goes wrong with our cars, computers and aeroplanes, we contact the manufacturer to know how they could be repaired - where they could be repaired.
All ecosystems on earth are getting destroyed moment by moment. To repair, restore and regenerate them we need to contact the manufacturer. But where is the manufacturer of ecosystems? There is no human manufacturer - There are no multiNational Companies that manufactured rivers and oceans, fertile soil, forests, millions of species, millions of members in millions of species, arctic ice and other glaciers.
About 30 years ago most people refused to believe that arctic ice was melting or could melt in future.
Then satellite pictures started appearing and provided proof with "before and after" pictures. People reluctantly accepted that ice was melting - but were still not alarmed. They said it would take hundreds of years - thousands of years for ice to melt to a dangerous level.
If we compare satellite pictures of arctic ice of this year with those taken 30 years ago we would know how alarming the situation is.
Every ecosystem is in grave danger. The doomsday scenario is approaching hundreds of times faster than predicted earlier. The signs - the indicators are already there - the recent climate changes - the extreme weather conditions - droughts, floods, fires, hurricanes and typhoons. The collapse has already happened for millions of other species - they have been decimated. Human collapse is very near - just around the corner.
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Today we cannot think about living non-industrially. If there was no industry we now could not post what we feel about it and this togetherness between you and me across a multitude of geographies, economies, political peripheries could not be imagined if it was not for industry; of course the industrial revolution was indispensable, and that got us where we are now from the era of farming.
Simplicity is preferable, something we crave for, the way pastoral communities and rustic life styles seem to us we feel very nostalgic about it.
But the point is evolution is man's natural course. Man does not remain the same and his aspirations, dreams, imaginations and industriousness grow bigger over time and that exactly set us here in an age of technology.
But the problem lies in the fact that man's decline commences with industrialization. There is so much greed; injustice prevails everywhere, and one man enslaves and batters another, and hounds for amassing more and more. He hungers for mountains of wealth creation.
And thus it creates divisiveness and fragmentation.
We are divided between the rich and very starved poor. Money is a tool for slaving people and ruling the world. This is in part what we got together with industrialization in point of fact.
My quite excellent blaze of glory, I fear I must respectfully point out a point or two missed in your discourse. Firstly, there was slavery among the Romans etc long before the industrial revolution. There are plenty of slavery venues including ignorance which may arguably create worse effects than the whole money issue.
Secondly my dear friend, to argue that we CANNOT think about living in a non industrial society seems something of a fallacy since we CAN but generally choose not to do so. It would be a massive change, yes, but we as humans can in fact make massive changes and still stay intact.
Perhaps if humanity began finding joy in simplicity and honor in human kindness there might be less of an overdrive toward the industrial and the negative effects that accompany it. But if we are to preach such things, the beginning of the solution must of necessity begin with us. If we wish to heal the breach between rich and poor let's work very hard and use our resources to reach out and aid. And in doing so we might make something of a difference and ourselves be happier people.
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Originally Posted by blazeofglory
Very soon science is going to announce the gene for environmental destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by isidro
Humans are not responsible for environmental destruction - it is the gene.
Humans are not responsible for anything - the genes are responsible for everything.
It is the gene which is responsible for obesity.
It is the gene which is responsible for cancer.
It is the gene which is responsible for violence/ aggression.
It is the gene which is responsible for mental suffering.
When it comes to Olympic medal they will give it to a person - not to the gene.
When it comes to Nobel Prize they will give it to a person - not to the gene.
When it comes to rewarding work they will pay million dollar salary to the CEO - not to the gene.
When it comes to "Theory of Relativity" they will give credit to Einstein - not to the gene.
On earth we have got oceans and oceans of water - which have been polluted/ poisoned by man - but this is hardly news for humans.
Recently Man bombarded the moon with a rocket to discover traces of water - and it became the newspaper headline across the world.
They call it progress, growth, development.
Height of insanity - Height of abnormality.
Don't search for a few molecules of water in outer space.
Take care of the water that is available on earth.
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
These are great insights in point of fact. If we have these insights we will think once before subjecting ourselves to the destruction of nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by sushil_yadav
i agree