The proles

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Originally Posted by Teacher

Phay...The proles will not revolt and will never revolt even though the make up almost 98% of Oceania.The reason is because they are uneducated and very ignorant.The proles are to worried about stupid problems of there own.Even though winston wants the proles to take over big brother it would probably never happened.

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It probably will not happen, but Winston knows that there is still a hope in the proles section. the only problem is, is like what you said the proles are too worried about the stupid things to worry about the big things. That possibly can and will change their lives forever, and maybe even change everything back to the way everything was. you know back to the days where the "beer was better," I think the proles should try and sneek into learning areas and maybe if they're smart enough, just maybe they can enlighten the situation and take over Big Brother.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner038

It probably will not happen, but Winston knows that there is still a hope in the proles section. the only problem is, is like what you said the proles are too worried about the stupid things to worry about the big things. That possibly can and will change their lives forever, and maybe even change everything back to the way everything was. you know back to the days where the "beer was better," I think the proles should try and sneek into learning areas and maybe if they're smart enough, just maybe they can enlighten the situation and take over Big Brother.

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The proles wouldn't though because they're too distracted by pornosec and the lottery. Most likely even if they chose to become educated the government would see them as a threat and have them vaporized.

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Originally Posted by laxer7

The proles wouldn't though because they're too distracted by pornosec and the lottery. Most likely even if they chose to become educated the government would see them as a threat and have them vaporized.

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I agree completely, this is what I was trying to say in my other posts. Becoming educated is too dangerous.

True, but if the government does not know it won't hurt them. Meaning if the proles don't act like they are getting smart until they revolt then Big Brother might just think nothing has changed, and how would Big Brother know if they are getting smarter. The most contact he has with the proles is, pornosec, the lottery, and the bombs he drops on their village. The proles do not have telescreens they are unwatched. So my question is how would Big Brother know that they are getting smarter if he does not watch them at all? I do agree it could be very dangerous, but i think it is a risk they have to take for the sake of themselves and the sake of everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner038

It probably will not happen, but Winston knows that there is still a hope in the proles section. the only problem is, is like what you said the proles are too worried about the stupid things to worry about the big things. That possibly can and will change their lives forever, and maybe even change everything back to the way everything was. you know back to the days where the "beer was better," I think the proles should try and sneek into learning areas and maybe if they're smart enough, just maybe they can enlighten the situation and take over Big Brother.

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Winston thinks that hope lies in Proles - of course, where else? We have two sections; Proles and The Party. I doubt Party would act against itself, so it must be Prole section. But they will never rebel, they don't realize what is happening, and they are too stupid to understand it.

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Originally Posted by laxer7

The proles wouldn't though because they're too distracted by pornosec and the lottery. Most likely even if they chose to become educated the government would see them as a threat and have them vaporized.

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They cannot choose to be educated or non educated; Party made that choice instead of them.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner038

True, but if the government does not know it won't hurt them. Meaning if the proles don't act like they are getting smart until they revolt then Big Brother might just think nothing has changed, and how would Big Brother know if they are getting smarter. The most contact he has with the proles is, pornosec, the lottery, and the bombs he drops on their village. The proles do not have telescreens they are unwatched. So my question is how would Big Brother know that they are getting smarter if he does not watch them at all? I do agree it could be very dangerous, but i think it is a risk they have to take for the sake of themselves and the sake of everyone else.

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Who would make them smarter? There are no schools or universities, and if there were something like that; it is controlled by Party.
Every single Prole is stupid, so some private conspired school is also impossible. Also, none of Proles realizes what is happening, so who would said them in the first place what is Party doing? Forget someone like William Wallace, Martin Luther, Oliver Cromwell, Robin Hood, Guiseppe Garibaldi etc; it's impossible!

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Originally Posted by bazarov

Who would make them smarter? There are no schools or universities, and if there were something like that; it is controlled by Party.
Every single Prole is stupid, so some private conspired school is also impossible. Also, none of Proles realizes what is happening, so who would said them in the first place what is Party doing? Forget someone like William Wallace, Martin Luther, Oliver Cromwell, Robin Hood, Guiseppe Garibaldi etc; it's impossible!

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Yeah it is going to be hard but think about it maybe O'Brien and Winston could teach them and make them smarter. Or Winston could find a person who learned a lot before the revolution that he can have teach some proles at a time and have those proles tell everyone else about there learnings. It is a simple step they need to do but it is going to be hard because they are vaporized if they get caught. There has got to be one person that knows something about something that could teach the proles and get them smart enough to figure out that they need to rebel.

The proles worry about little things like cooking pots because they aren't educated enough to worry about things like rebellion. There is nobody to teach the proles anything like the ideas of rebellion, and even if there were the proles probably wouldn't care. Big Brother provides them with the lottery and pornosec, that it all they know, and as far as they're concerned that is all they need.

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Originally Posted by tbccvbtfhc

The proles worry about little things like cooking pots because they aren't educated enough to worry about things like rebellion.

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It's not entirely ignorance. As Russia showed during the Communist era, a lack of goods makes even small luxuries seem like major ones to the masses.

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Originally Posted by The Atheist

Coming up for Air. I'm sure nobody else has ever read it.

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Have it reserved at my library. :D

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Originally Posted by Foreigner038

Yeah it is going to be hard but think about it maybe O'Brien and Winston could teach them and make them smarter. Or Winston could find a person who learned a lot before the revolution that he can have teach some proles at a time and have those proles tell everyone else about there learnings. It is a simple step they need to do but it is going to be hard because they are vaporized if they get caught. There has got to be one person that knows something about something that could teach the proles and get them smart enough to figure out that they need to rebel.

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O'Brien=Thought police=would never teach them
Winston=brainwashed-loves BigBrother-Dead