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Originally Posted by starrwriter
Heh-heh. I just wanted to say it first, since I knew it was coming somewhere down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
The truth is both men and women are hardwired to slobber over attractive/sexy. It's Primate Biology 101.
I think rather than a general question, asking individual their expectations would get you more clearer answers. I am sometimes surprised by the choices my closest female friends make so I don't think I can give healthy answers about other female's expectations and wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
Disclaimer: The fact that my present screen name on the MSN is 'The Primate' is purely coincidental!Quote:
The truth is both men and women are hardwired to slobber over attractive/sexy. It's Primate Biology 101.
:goof:
But you ARE a primate. No reason to disavow it, unless you're a lot more squeamish than I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Well this is just an eternal question, possibly a pointless one, and I hope that starrwriter didn't want a real answer but a discussion... the discussion can go on forever and it can go funny or heated, but... well, it will never reach a full stop.
I think women want protection (yeah, especially from bugs :D)...possibly all of them (us), especially those who are independant and look self-confident... possibly more than the small sweet-looking ones who pretend to be so naive that they had protection all their life...
(if I dont make sense it's because some links remain in my mind rather than where they should be expressed, just dont mind).
I think men should realise a lot of things... what do MEN want after all? i've tried to be myself, I've tried not to be, I've blamed it on being fat, on being black-haired, on being too shy or too silly or too clever or too independant or too insignificant or on having too much personality... I've concluded that my destiny is too be single.
And watch out...a lot of men are cowards so all of you out there who are not (if there are some), you'll have to work very hard to make up for this impression your colleagues (as in male) gave us. :mad:
Can a man love a woman unconditionately? (and vice versa?) Possibly, even outside of movies. In any case, not forever... one has to be a fool to believe in eternal love... Probably being a fool makes them lucky cos they can believe in relationships, but still, it's foolish.
hey starr,
ever thought of a night time job as a stand up comedian. you're the best
So, I've been reading this topic and I thought I'd post a more serious answer than my other one.
The majority of both genders really dont know what they want. They have too many preconceptions of what relationships should be like from watching tv/movies etc, to see beyond all that and realise that there is no such thing as the perfect match.In my opinion it is this that makes relationships and life in general interesting.
So many women date complete jerks and then complain about them, or try to change them. When in actual fact the dumbass really needs a good smack upside of the head and told where to go. On a similar note we men often go for brain dead bimbos (eg Michelle Pfeifer to use the earlier example) and then spend the majority of time joking about how stupid they are.
A friend of mine once compared women to apples. The basic premise of his idea was that instead of climbing the tree to get the apples/women that are further to reach we settle to go for the "easier" women/apples which do not take as much effort to get. This makes the other apples/women feel that something is wrong with them which isnt the case, most men just arent willing to put in the extra effort to climb the tree. This probably covers both men and women however.
Pardon me for stating the obvious, but no one who is 23 knows his destiny is to be single. Life is a long journey and the possibility of hot monkey love awaits around every corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koa
I always try to leave 'em laughing so they don't throw beer bottles at me the next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rachel
All these ape references are driving me bananas :banana:
[QUOTE=starrwriter]What do women want?
Chaucer wasn't the first. The question is even older. 'what women want' is a quote from arthurian tales when some poor knight had to find out the hard way.
hehe, this reminds me of the cartoon where the normal looking chick is looking in the mirror and she shes an ugly hag, the next frame shows a balding, pudgy guy looking in the mirror and he sees a fit handsome man.Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
those dancing bananas make me want to scream, scream i tell you. Logos since your very moniker(i don't even really know what that means, it just sounded intelligent)denotes wisdom why are we not hearing your expert, in depth earth shaking dissertation on what is man , what is woman and what in fact do we want? I am waiting breathlessly to see shafts of light penetrating my thought when you speak.
so speak already, please and thank you. and from your heart.
starr, you more and more remind me of oh i don't know shall we say, a gangsta, albeit a nice one. I saw your picture, and i noticed the glasses, dark ones covering the eyes so we can't get a real handle on what those eyes, that face is saying. And only nice gangstas would go watch frankie and johnny on a saturday matinee special and sit in sticky seats thinking how freudian the picture is and how we women are total sterotypes, every last one of us. And what about that hooker in Central park, was she arguing with you about the movie as well. have you no mercy. i'll be you're an instant party crasher-even with girl pigeons.
Possibly, I'm not saying that I can't be proven wrong by life, but... I don't know, signs tell me I'm the eternal spinster kind. And I often feel too old to really appreciate it if something will happen. This must be how 90-year-old women feel right before dying... not much ahead, eh? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
Well I don't think your friend invented that cos I've heard this one before. And it's so very true...(well I'm sure that hot dumb chicks won't agree with me ;))... damn, this tree where I am must be kilometres high... *looks down* yeah, I can't see the ground :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kilted
Sometimes though I feel that this is more true for women... I have the impression that in general women are more willing to climb high than men... which I migh have already mentioned, tend to be more coward. I'm not saying it's true for everyone nor that it's scientifically proven, just my impression... (I know many girls who have ugly girlfriends... I can't think of many boys who have ugly girlfriends, or if they do, the girl has at least some -ehm- physical attributes... if we are talking of quality related to highness/easiness anyway)
I'm speechless ...
Just two things to add.
First of all in my opinion both men and women want to be loved "no matter what happen" and in addiction i do think that this occurs just because human kind are supposed to be in search of pleasure,and what could be better than love as pleasure?
Secondly if the man i'm in love with would be so lazy or coward to not climb high and take me the womanapple...then i'd just think that probablt that man wouldn't be the right one...and i'd look for a better one...'cause if women are apples....men are like doors, when one them is going to be closed another one is going to be opened!!!
What a great phrase! Very poetic.Quote:
womanapple...
I'm willing to bet that Koa will not be a spinster. She will find the love of her life one day.
I'll add to the womanapple analogy. There are plenty of men who not only will not climb to the top of the tree, but for whatever reason don't seem to notice that there are more womanapples up there. They just sort of look from side to side, see the womanapples directly in front of them, and pluck 'em, before they even take the time to see if there's something better higher up. And they don't notice that there are any other kind of men, because they look around and only see the other men who are going for the womanapples at eye-level; they don't realize that there are other men at the top of the tree.
So, what do I want? I want the sort of man who looks around at eye-level, at all the dumb bimbos and catty nagging women, and even at the nice-but-simple women, and says, "This can't be all there is. I want someone better than this. Someone I can have a conversation with. I think I'll look further up." And then he takes a climb, and he finds the people like Koa and me. :D
There are plenty of men like this, by the way. I'm friends with a lot of them. Most of my friends are male, and very intelligent, and find ditzy women boring and unattractive, which is why I take equal offense to assertions that all "men are pigs" as I do to those that all women are [fill-in-the-stereotype].
If I weren't already married, I'd climb to the top of the tree for any of the ladies on this forum. Is that sucking up too much?
YES!! :p
Fortunately, this pencil-neck geek's literary persona has a rocket-powered hangglider with which to fly to the top of the tree.
...then again, getting there's part of the quest. Besides, I already have a beauteously sweet apple already.
Yes. Please don't feed their egos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
Can other people see her?Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinHood3000
YES, but you're not going to. She's MINE, I tell you!! MINE, ALL MINE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LOL. I've seen that. But in the context of this thread, what actually are you trying to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by papayahed
That's what I thought. Robin and his dream girl -- with the emphasis on dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinHood3000
hmmmm I don't remember. I think it had something to do witht he way men see themselves and think they're "hunks".Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
Nonsense--we don't all think we're hunks. Some of us freely admit that we're nothing more than pencil-neck geeks.
...okay, ONE of us.
What do you mean, "think"? We know we are. Are is that just Italian men?Quote:
Originally Posted by papayahed
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Originally Posted by papayahed
I'll second that. Women are insecure about their looks (even attractive ones), which is why they are always preening. Men emphasize the positive and minimize the negative about their looks. A two-day beard and no socks makes a man feel like Don Johnson on "Miami Vice."Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
Are you laughing while saying that? :goof:Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
when in actuality they look like Ned the wino from "Good Times".. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by starrwriter
Hogwash. If Brad Pitt is photographed unshaven and scruffy-looking, you women think he is soooo handsome.Quote:
Originally Posted by papayahed
The TV commercial is true. Men would rather set their shorts on fire or eat dirt than shave.
Yes, only tongue in cheek. Another new avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by samercury
women want to be cared for and pampered, they want a guy who can handle any situation sensibly and strongly, more like a protective figure...but not over-possesive and not curbing their freedom....that's what i think...
and what do men want?!?...all they want is....ummm...i rather not talk about this!
Actually, some "progressive" women want everything EXCEPT a man who will care for and pamper them as a protective figure, and will promptly chew out any man who attempts to assume such a role as oppressive.
wait a minute...pampering and caring ARE NOT oppressive...oppressive are things that curb the woman from doing things the way she wants to... Anyone would hate an oppressive partner be it men or women!
I mean I'd hate it if my guy keeps a track of where i am and what im doing every minute! ...that doesn't mean caring...it means you've got nothing else to do!...so doesn't even make sense if i say mind your own buisness...the guy'd tell me...It is his buisness...Yea sure!
Men want to be pampered and cared for too.Quote:
Originally Posted by smilingtearz
Reeeeeeeeaaaaaallly??
Im sorry didn't mean to sound sarcastic...but ...REEEEEAAALLYYY?
:D
LOL. Yes reeeeaaaalllllyyyy. There is nothing better than my wife fixing me a nice dinner and massaging my shoulders and talking sweet. Of course after being married almost fifteen years, I can count the number of times she did that one hand. That's post marriage. It was quite frequent pre marriage. Oh, how you women change once you've gotten your hooks in us.
I can't say I agree with this. Everyone has their limitations and men won't be able to handle every situation well either. Personally, someone who is able to admit their limitations and do not try to take control of every situation is more agreeable to me than someone who thinks he needs to assume a protective role.Quote:
Originally Posted by smilingtearz
Well, maybe one would like that if they have some kind of Electra complex...
As for pampering, I think we all like a little attention and spoiling at times.And this is the over simplification of the year! (I can say that easily since only couple of days left of the year! :p)Quote:
and what do men want?!?...all they want is....ummm...i rather not talk about this!
To butcher an old saying, women want their cake to reappear magically after they eat it. They want what everyone wants in a relationship -- the upper hand, to be in control, to be the one who is loved and not necessarily the one who loves.Quote:
Originally Posted by smilingtearz
Your post reminds me of a scene from the Jules Ffeiffer play "Little Murders." After getting mugged for the umpteenth time, an apartment tenant begs a city official to institute dictatorial police powers amounting to martial law. "I want my freedom back!" he wails.
It's the same irony as you wanting protection and dedicated love from a guy who won't curb your freedom. My question is: freedom to do what? Fool around with other men?
Jell-O GOOD. Mud BAD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Ha! I nullify your statement thus! :p