A Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop-ist Manifesto

The way I see it, Wolf is not so much interested in what he proposes as he is in stirring the pot to let the vapors rise, the ingenuity spring in diverse ways with room for many more subjects than the typical inflexibly interpreted stuff based on normality and the preservation of canons that serve little purpose in many unrevealed realms.

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Originally Posted by stlukesguild

Maybe it is. But I don't think it's much more juvenile or nonsensical than an awful lot of creative writing submitted here that doesn't attract such open criticism. I'm not sure why Wolf's effort has been singled out for this concerted opprobrium.

I think the obvious answer is that Wolf's efforts have been accompanied by the greatest of pretensions in the form of his manifestos calling for some great literary revolution. If you go about dismissing the majority of the "classics" (or works included in the Norton Anthology) then you better be able to back it up with some alternative of real merit. Mozart, Michelangelo, and Beethoven were all openly egotistic (as were endless other artists... a strong ego being almost a prerequisite for the arts)... but they all backed up their claims. There are certainly any number of juvenile attempts at writing poetry or prose posted here every day... but seldom from individuals calling for a iconoclastic revolution and setting themselves up as some literary visionary or Messiah.

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Yeah, that's a fair point. I was assessing the thing in isolation, never having read any of his other pronouncements.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Maybe it is. But I don't think it's much more juvenile or nonsensical than an awful lot of creative writing submitted here that doesn't attract such open criticism. I'm not sure why Wolf's effort has been singled out for this concerted opprobrium. I think that it might be because this piece irritates and exasperates people. However, if exasperated irritation is justification for such strongly-worded reaction to members' submissions, I might start contributing a few more critiques around here.

On the generous deployment of exclamation marks, by the way, I agree with Mutatis. When I get to be emperor, slaphappy exclamation marks will be punishable by the public severance of fingers.

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Can you give some examples? I have no idea what you are talking about.

(Besides the "Babies" short story)

I never said I was the Messiah of the literary world. There are literary conservatives who put things in my mouth that I never said. I just say that the literary world is an uptight puritanical dinosaur. I love literature, but the literary world is basically a putrid swamp infested with people of closed minds. But not everybody in the literary world is like that.

There are all kinds of people on this literary board. There are those who like to write dry, archaic, lifeless 19th-century style poems. But other people like myself prefer innovation. I'm not interested in writing 19th-century style poetry in the 21st century. This makes some people mad, because I'm not like them.

Back before the Internet I used to read my stuff at poetry readings. People had two reactions. They either loved my poetry or they hated it. For every person that loved my poetry there were usually two or three others that hated it.

Did you know that I Wolf Larsen got the lowest scores in the history of the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams? Unless somebody beat my record (I doubt it) I still hold the distinction of having the lowest scores in the history of both the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams. I think that is quite an accomplishment! After all, the Green Mill Tavern is supposedly where the poetry slam was born.

At the Green Mill Tavern my poetry practically caused a riot, as Chicago in the conservative Midwest is far less tolerant of innovation than New York City, so the people in New York didn't actually nearly riot. So anyway, I nearly followed in the footsteps of the composers Igor Stravinsky and Gustav Mahler, as their symphonies caused riots when conservative concertgoers went on a rampage.

To this day one of my favorite pieces of music is Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I feel it is a wonderful piece of music! But of course, it certainly was not written in "good taste", and it angered the ignorant connoisseurs of "good taste".

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Originally Posted by WolfLarsen

I never said I was the Messiah of the literary world. There are literary conservatives who put things in my mouth that I never said. I just say that the literary world is an uptight puritanical dinosaur. I love literature, but the literary world is basically a putrid swamp infested with people of closed minds. But not everybody in the literary world is like that.

There are all kinds of people on this literary board. There are those who like to write dry, archaic, lifeless 19th-century style poems. But other people like myself prefer innovation. I'm not interested in writing 19th-century style poetry in the 21st century. This makes some people mad, because I'm not like them.

Back before the Internet I used to read my stuff at poetry readings. People had two reactions. They either loved my poetry or they hated it. For every person that loved my poetry there were usually two or three others that hated it.

Did you know that I Wolf Larsen got the lowest scores in the history of the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams? Unless somebody beat my record (I doubt it) I still hold the distinction of having the lowest scores in the history of both the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams. I think that is quite an accomplishment! After all, the Green Mill Tavern is supposedly where the poetry slam was born.

At the Green Mill Tavern my poetry practically caused a riot, as Chicago in the conservative Midwest is far less tolerant of innovation than New York City, so the people in New York didn't actually nearly riot. So anyway, I nearly followed in the footsteps of the composers Igor Stravinsky and Gustav Mahler, as their symphonies caused riots when conservative concertgoers went on a rampage.

To this day one of my favorite pieces of music is Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I feel it is a wonderful piece of music! But of course, it certainly was not written in "good taste", and it angered the ignorant connoisseurs of "good taste".

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I have never laughed as hard as I am laughing at this response. Comparing yourself to Stravinsky? Yes Wolf. The audience reaction showed their resistance to innovation, not their dislike for poetry of poor quality. You actually maintain as a badge of honour, as an achievement, the fact that your poems received the lowest scores. This response is the finest thing you've ever written. In terms of comedy it outclasses anything by Mark Twain.

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Originally Posted by WolfLarsen

I never said I was the Messiah of the literary world. There are literary conservatives who put things in my mouth that I never said. I just say that the literary world is an uptight puritanical dinosaur. I love literature, but the literary world is basically a putrid swamp infested with people of closed minds. But not everybody in the literary world is like that.

There are all kinds of people on this literary board. There are those who like to write dry, archaic, lifeless 19th-century style poems. But other people like myself prefer innovation. I'm not interested in writing 19th-century style poetry in the 21st century. This makes some people mad, because I'm not like them.

Back before the Internet I used to read my stuff at poetry readings. People had two reactions. They either loved my poetry or they hated it. For every person that loved my poetry there were usually two or three others that hated it.

Did you know that I Wolf Larsen got the lowest scores in the history of the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams? Unless somebody beat my record (I doubt it) I still hold the distinction of having the lowest scores in the history of both the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams. I think that is quite an accomplishment! After all, the Green Mill Tavern is supposedly where the poetry slam was born.

At the Green Mill Tavern my poetry practically caused a riot, as Chicago in the conservative Midwest is far less tolerant of innovation than New York City, so the people in New York didn't actually nearly riot. So anyway, I nearly followed in the footsteps of the composers Igor Stravinsky and Gustav Mahler, as their symphonies caused riots when conservative concertgoers went on a rampage.

To this day one of my favorite pieces of music is Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I feel it is a wonderful piece of music! But of course, it certainly was not written in "good taste", and it angered the ignorant connoisseurs of "good taste".

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But Wolf, stop disappointing me. I rather have you as one of the great messiahs than 99% of the ones mental myopia recognizes. Keep shaking the apple tree. When this is over you should go to update the wing of Antonin Artaud.

Well, there's nothing wrong with Wolf's ego. Seriously, dude, get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by WolfLarsen

I never said I was the Messiah of the literary world. There are literary conservatives who put things in my mouth that I never said. I just say that the literary world is an uptight puritanical dinosaur. I love literature, but the literary world is basically a putrid swamp infested with people of closed minds. But not everybody in the literary world is like that.

There are all kinds of people on this literary board. There are those who like to write dry, archaic, lifeless 19th-century style poems. But other people like myself prefer innovation. I'm not interested in writing 19th-century style poetry in the 21st century. This makes some people mad, because I'm not like them.

Back before the Internet I used to read my stuff at poetry readings. People had two reactions. They either loved my poetry or they hated it. For every person that loved my poetry there were usually two or three others that hated it.

Did you know that I Wolf Larsen got the lowest scores in the history of the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams? Unless somebody beat my record (I doubt it) I still hold the distinction of having the lowest scores in the history of both the Nuyorican and Green Mill Tavern poetry slams. I think that is quite an accomplishment! After all, the Green Mill Tavern is supposedly where the poetry slam was born.

At the Green Mill Tavern my poetry practically caused a riot, as Chicago in the conservative Midwest is far less tolerant of innovation than New York City, so the people in New York didn't actually nearly riot. So anyway, I nearly followed in the footsteps of the composers Igor Stravinsky and Gustav Mahler, as their symphonies caused riots when conservative concertgoers went on a rampage.

To this day one of my favorite pieces of music is Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I feel it is a wonderful piece of music! But of course, it certainly was not written in "good taste", and it angered the ignorant connoisseurs of "good taste".

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We don't have anything wrong with innovation. Your work has no substance to it. It means nothing. (except for that interview you did with yourself. That seemed like it was a 5th level satire or something)

For example,

I absolutely LOVE David Bowie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AVhfInAEQI


But hate Lady Gaga...

http://www.psdmate.com/wp-content/up...gaga-celeb.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Well, there's nothing wrong with Wolf's ego. Seriously, dude, get over yourself.

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I know! How does this sort of thing even happen? I used to think I was a bit too arrogant about my writing, but I don't have 1/4th the ego he has but write 557 times better.

This further convinces me that doing things for shock value is the single biggest farce art has ever been a victim of.

Wolf is to liberals what Sarah Palin is to conservatives. (times TEN!)

I don't really see how the political analogy is relevant.

All I can gather from this thread and the other one in this line is that

1. I really want to be a "literary messiah."
2. I think to accomplish that I need to drink a bottle of scotch, throw paint all around my room, blast Stravinsky in the background, scream random words the paint, and film the whole thing.
3. This will lead to the salvation of all. The literate will ascend and those who hate reading will be left below.

Alright, I have a plan.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

I don't really see how the political analogy is relevant.

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Sarah Palin is a bit embarrassing for Conservatives because she is such a caricature. The same goes for Wolf, but with liberals.

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Originally Posted by Bewlay Brother

Sarah Palin is a bit embarrassing for Conservatives because she is such a caricature. The same goes for Wolf, but with liberals.

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Nope, sorry. The analogy still doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Nope, sorry. The analogy still doesn't make sense.

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Okie dokie. I guess a bit of a stretch, but he doesn't do liberals any justice.

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Originally Posted by Bewlay Brother

Okie dokie. I guess a bit of a stretch, but he doesn't do liberals any justice.

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Actually, I'm not even sure in what sense he's 'liberal'.