What is Your Definition of 'Sin'

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Originally Posted by cafolini

Of course it's about morality, a very subjective and most often hypocritical judgment as such. It was always dealt with as morality. All religions claimed and still claim the right morality. But when something is a law, the violation is not a sin. It is a crime punishable by law. Sins are moral, religious violations that depend on the morality of the congregation. The advanced concept is well-published law and crime. And the law protects the rights, not the morality of people.
You are beating a dead horse. The law protects the moral rights of people if the execution of those morals do not violate the laws. Otherwise, no matter what morality they may claim, they go to jail.

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I don't think this is right. Morality is about what's right and wrong in a given situation, and may have nothing to do with the law. Immoral actions may not be a crime - such as cheating on a partner.

But when something is a law, the violation is not a sin. It is a crime punishable by law.

It may be. It is morally wrong to kill, it is a sin to kill and it is a crime to kill.

The law protects the moral rights of people if the execution of those morals do not violate the laws. Otherwise, no matter what morality they may claim, they go to jail.

The law protects the legal rights of people. It does not necessarily protect the moral laws. The law says you can't steal from your partner, but it doesn't say you can't cheat on them. Both these actions are morally wrong.

Still winning?

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

don't think this is right. Morality is about what's right and wrong in a given situation, and may have nothing to do with the law.

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Exactly. This thread isn't about the law. The question was "what is your concept of sin?" My response was that while the bible's "sins" are outdated, widely common modern ideas of that which is considered exceptionally morally wrong might be considered modern "sins" and these include blah blah blah. What does the law have to do with it? The law is written because of human morality, it isn't the other way around. Laws haven't replaced morality (which means that they haven't replaced the concept of "sin" as I've defined it). We don't change the way we feel and think about moral issues because of the law, we write laws to reflect how we think and feel. The vast majority of humans feel physical sickness when they see another human being hurt or killed. Ergo, we write laws to to prevent people from being hurt and killed and to enforce what we believe is "right," ie. not morally wrong, ie. my concept of a modern "sin" as I've defined it in my first post. Aaaaand that's what this thread is about.

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Originally Posted by cacian

In other words what is your own personal interpretation of Sin, if any?

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I trust my conscious. If something makes me feel guilty or bad, it is a "sin"

The thread is about morality, not laws anyways. We can argue laws in another thread. Not all laws protect us from immorality.
To me, an immoral act is the same as a sin. Even though sin is a religious term, it means the same thing. And most people agree on what is basically moral and what isn't.
murder- unless it's self defense or to protect someone
causing harm- that could mean greed, cheating, emotional, physical
selfishness-disregard for others

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

I trust my conscious. If something makes me feel guilty or bad, it is a "sin"

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Good rule to live by, it can be that simple.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

That's not the perception we have here. We see a society which protects the middle class and rich of course, whilst neglecting the poor. i was really shocked to see the after effects of Katrina and the neglect of New Orleans and its population. The treatment was third world.

Obama has done some good with the health reforms.

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Can we stay away from another U.S. bad, U.K. good thread? I personally love both countries.

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

That's not the perception we have here. We see a society which protects the middle class and rich of course, whilst neglecting the poor. i was really shocked to see the after effects of Katrina and the neglect of New Orleans and its population. The treatment was third world.

Obama has done some good with the health reforms.

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Your perception is grossly perverted by the almighty media. You have no clue what was done for the Katrina victims, and how people did nothing for themselves. I thought better of your perception of things. I am disappointed. Don't mention Obama, this shouldn't turn into a political discussion.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Your perception is grossly perverted by the almighty media. You have no clue what was done for the Katrina victims, and how people did nothing for themselves. I thought better of your perception of things. I am disappointed. Don't mention Obama, this shouldn't turn into a political discussion.

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Yes, the almighty media, whose shareholders and advertisers, whose owners, of course distort things in favour of the poor and against the rich. That leftist network CNN with its host Erin Burnett, wife of a Citigroup executive.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Yes, the almighty media, whose shareholders and advertisers, whose owners, of course distort things in favour of the poor and against the rich. That leftist network CNN with its host Erin Burnett, wife of a Goldman Saacs executive.

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The media has always been leftists. If you don't think that CNN distorts the truth, then they have been successful in Canada. I'm not getting into a political discussion.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

The media has always been leftists. If you don't think that CNN distorts the truth, then they have been successful in Canada. I'm not getting into a political discussion.

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Its a media discussion. And its a comically absurd talking point you are spilling here. Billionaires own the big networks. If you want to observe some unabashedly leftist media check out Democracy Now. If the mainstream media is left wing then why do I so profoundly despise it?

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Its a media discussion. And its a comically absurd talking point you are spilling here. Billionaires own the big networks. If you want to observe some unabashedly leftist media check out Democracy Now. If the mainstream media is left wing then why do I so profoundly despise it?

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There are many leftist billionaires, so I don't understand your point. Do you think that all the executives of all the companies are staunch conservatives. It's a discussion of media right now, but to establish my point would require me to go into politics. Just to examine the campaign stories that the mainstream media focuses upon, and how they use their muscle to control the people's way of thought will show their leftest leanings. Of course is someone is further left it would be impossible for them to see it. I don't expect anyone here to concede to this reality, because most people here are pretty far left.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

There are many leftist billionaires, so I don't understand your point. Do you think that all the executives of all the companies are staunch conservatives. It's a discussion of media right now, but to establish my point would require me to go into politics. Just to examine the campaign stories that the mainstream media focuses upon, and how they use their muscle to control the people's way of thought will show their leftest leanings. Of course is someone is further left it would be impossible for them to see it. I don't expect anyone here to concede to this reality, because most people here are pretty far left.

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I will try my best to keep this as non-political as possible. The mainstream media does not question the status quo. It reflects the corporate establishment. Compare Anderson Cooper to Mike Malloy or Tom Hartmann or any other left-wing personality. True leftist sentiments find their most eloquent expression in such speakers as Chris Hedges, Tariq Ali, Noam Chomsky. Viewpoints such as theirs have no place in the mainstream media.

Yeah, I think you're right. There is no way to discuss this without it becoming a political discussion.

Haha yeah, let's discuss political influences on the retardedly politicized United States news networks while at the same time not discussing politics. That's sure not impossible.*



*sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Paulclem

That's not the perception we have here. We see a society which protects the middle class and rich of course, whilst neglecting the poor. i was really shocked to see the after effects of Katrina and the neglect of New Orleans and its population. The treatment was third world.

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Sometimes perception is just that, perception. Let's not delude ourselves, every place has negligence in one form or another.

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Obama has done some good with the health reforms.

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What health reforms? All I'm aware of is they changed the food pyramid.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

I will try my best to keep this as non-political as possible. The mainstream media does not question the status quo. It reflects the corporate establishment. Compare Anderson Cooper to Mike Malloy or Tom Hartmann or any other left-wing personality. True leftist sentiments find their most eloquent expression in such speakers as Chris Hedges, Tariq Ali, Noam Chomsky. Viewpoints such as theirs have no place in the mainstream media.

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Ever heard of the "liberal media"? MSNBC is a prime example, even though they are part of mainstream media.

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Yeah, I think you're right. There is no way to discuss this without it becoming a political discussion.

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Good move. To discuss politics here would be a sin. :wink5:

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Sometimes perception is just that, perception. Every place has negligence in one form or another...

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...of varying degrees.

(I hope you don't mind that I completed your sentence there)