What outrage?
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What outrage?
Suggesting that Dark Muse is somehow psychotic when she is most clearly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebagman
No, I don't. She clearly knows the boundaries of human interaction, and she knows her limits. What else is there to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by thebagman
Judging by that quote I don't think she knows the boundaries of human interaction at all. Caring more for animals than human beings? Granted, as I've already mentioned before, how she may have been caught up in the moment and she may have been writing carelessly.
She could have put it better but I think that she was not ethically unsound in what she had to say. If you don't like it, that's your problem. I think that she was being entirely human in her actions and reactions, nothing else could be asked of her, except perhaps from God.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebagman
Animals are without sin. How could we not feel compassion for every creeping and crawling thing when man mistreats and abuses them?
I feel much the same way as Dark Muse.
I assume she's an animal rights advocate and possibly a Vegan and so am I.
It's not that I don't have compassion for other humans. If I saw some random person in trouble I would try to help them. The point is that I don't take an active approach in helping people because it seems that there is plenty of that going on already.
Everyone knows that homelessness or child abuse are problems and they care about it to some extent, but not everyone has a problem with things like factory farming. To me, the fact that animals are engineered to have massive bodies that make them cripples so they can have more meat is a moral outrage. Regardless, the average person is not even aware that this is going on and wouldn't stop eating meat becauses of it anyway.
It's just what ticks me off. I can't explain it. I don't know if it makes me a sociopath that it bothers me more than most cases of human suffering but it's just the way I feel.
Exactly, prickly_pete, her love for animals harms no-one. Personally, I prefer human beings but then I am a fool who loves beauty and truth and all the other good things of humanity. You could say that I am a glutton for punishment, you could.Quote:
Originally Posted by prickly_pete
Everything I want to say.
I had an english tutor, told me she wasn't afraid of death because she had once been comatose and had "seen a light at the end of a dark tunnel". Her voice went up in pitch and she was much more tense when she said it. Go figure.Quote:
You seem quite happy to announce your lack of compassion and empathy for mankind, to the extent that you would, you say, have no qualms about killing for your own survival, even if it was an innocent baby. Apart from a worrying lack of feeling for other humans, which I think is one of the factors tending towards the definition of a psychopath, you also seem quite blase in your assertion that the insane should be executed. This just doesn't make any sense at all. If someone is insane, they are not in their right mind, and therefore did not commit the act they did knowingly. Their "punishment", would be to commit them to an asylum. You seem to take an unswerving line against killing when others do it, but as you are a "misanthrope" with little feeling for your fellow members of humanity, it's ok for you to assert your willingness to commit such acts.
I know this discussion is academic, and in real circumstances things may be very different, who knows what we are capable of, but I would not like to think that I was so unfeeling.
Doing charitable work doesn't seem as important as it used to now that government guarantees a minimum standard of living and medical treatment for virtually everyone. There's barely anything you can do without a permit or permission of some kind. I probably couldn't start a canned-food drive without having some local official giving his or her blessing. Now most charity work is geared towards overseas stuff and people we really do have absolutely no connection with. It's a good opportunity for upper middle class white people to feel good about themselves but how much it says about their love of humanity I'm unsure. Ironically a lot of the money goes to economic development - with the logical objective being a world where everyone thinks acts and works like upper middle class white people. Weird.
You call it the Peace Corps. I call it neo-colonialism.
In a way, prickly_pete, you are right. In another, the status quo is because of inaction. No matter our moral qualms we cannot allow the status quo to go on. I would rather be wealthy any day than dirt poor. Why should it be any different for anyone else?
I'm sorry, but those comments by Dark Muse are pretty morbid. I don't really understand people who don't have compassion for their fellow man just because they don't know them. Anyone who can watch disasters like the like 9/11 or the tsunami in Japan and not feel some sort of sorrow is a person I'd rather not associate with. I don't know if that describes Dark Muse or not, though.
As to the "are people dumber in groups" question, I'd say once you get above ten people or so, yes. I always remember a quote from the movie Men in Black from Tommy Lee Jones's characters, when he says, when asked why people aren't told about what really is going on with aliens, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." I think it rings true.
I honestly don't know how much compassion you can feel watching CNN. They rarely even show human beings injured or killed (even in combat) anymore - most of the stuff they're allowed or choose to display is damage of the infrastructure. Sorry, but watching building collapse doesn't really pluck at my heartstrings. The animal rights people though - they get IT IN. They get up close and personal and I think they're more compelling in that respect. If CNN did that with war or disaster stories than maybe more people would be crying - as if this is even an adult objective to begin with.
It might get more people involved, sure. But the only people I see lining up in drove to do anything overseas are people in the military and not upper middle class white people who flock to these "causes" in order to feel better about themselves. Don't pat yourself on the shoulder too much is what I'm saying.
Unless that building is full of people right? A building that goes down because of some crazy stunt by some crazy religious people otherwise known as the taliban which is a group, or if you believe conspiracy theorists which is yet another group, the jews, which is another group also!Quote:
Sorry, but watching building collapse doesn't really pluck at my heartstrings.
Most of us have more compassion for people who are closer to us. We care about our family and neighbors more than about those who live in a distant city. We (Americans) care more about the 3000 people who died in the attack on the World Trade Centers than we do about the people who died in bombing raids on Bagdhad. That's only natural.
Still, it's a bit bizarre to refuse to care at all about bad things that happen to people in distant places -- most of us have some empathy for even distant human suffering.
On the other hand, I knew a guy who liked to drive a big, gas guzzling car, because (he claimed)when he had a crash it happened far away, like a war in Africa.