The Earth is FIXED in Space

Great. So your answer to the evidence presented is that it doesn't exist. Because Mark has a friend who is involved in building low earth satellites ?

I have a friend who makes computer software. Does that mean he is able to tell me about how to make a curry, or how to extract a tooth ?

How about a serious conversation on the subject of 'The Earth is Fixed in Space', providing some verifiable evidence to contradict it, or which shows the very opposite ? Since you have provided none and have not even addressed the subject !!

LOL !!! I mean, what is a 'serious conversation' if it does not address the subject ? In such a case what becomes ridiculous is your post. Let's all laugh at your silliness. Wouldn't that be a serious conversation ?? So much for Nietzsche, humbug and the clowns of the 'scientific establishment'.

'Professing themselves to be wise they became fools'.

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Originally Posted by Lokasenna

I personally think Mark's answer is damn good one, and entirely appropriate to this ridiculous thread.

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The link only shows pictures of small periods of time, nothing more then 24 hours I would think if you look at the same area in the sky for longer periods of time you would see the stars moving in a wider range.

Thanks Papapayhed,

Do you agree these time-lapsed photographs show stars moving in a roughly circular path over those hours of their exposure ?

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Originally Posted by papayahed

The link only shows pictures of small periods of time, nothing more then 24 hours I would think if you look at the same area in the sky for longer periods of time you would see the stars moving in a wider range.

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Great ! We all believe you because you are now having a real, serious discussion on the evidence. Aren't you ? As everyone can see. Can't they ? LOL !!

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I looked through the first site that you posted, and I was amazed at the lack of scientific proof. Religious scripture does not make for scientific justification. By that logic, Woman was made from a single rib which makes no sense at all.

I will be more than happy to come back later with scientific proof like images from the Hubble space telescope, but since you didn't offer up your own argument instead of providing links to a site, I find little reason to do so myself. I'm more than happy to provide you with a link to a site that would certainly prove the contrary. http://www.nasa.gov/ Enjoy your reading :D

Mkhockenberry,

Are you suggesting these images are not evidence of the stars moving in a roughly circular path over the time-lapsed exposure of those images ? I mean, let's start with that. You do agree with this, don't you ?

And since we are not talking of woman being made from a single rib, pardon me for staying on the topic of 'The Earth is Fixed in Space'.

You may have evidence to the contrary. That would be great.

What are posted here are actual time-lapsed pictures. How do these equate with your assumptions, your education ?

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Originally Posted by mkhockenberry

I looked through the first site that you posted, and I was amazed at the lack of scientific proof. Religious scripture does not make for scientific justification. By that logic, Woman was made from a single rib which makes no sense at all.

I will be more than happy to come back later with scientific proof like images from the Hubble space telescope, but since you didn't offer up your own argument instead of providing links to a site, I find little reason to do so myself. I'm more than happy to provide you with a link to a site that would certainly prove the contrary. http://www.nasa.gov/ Enjoy your reading :D

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Are you suggesting these images are not evidence of the stars moving in a roughly circular path over the time-lapsed exposure of those images ?

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Of course it could be evidence of the observer moving in a roughly circular path over the time-lapsed exposure of those images.

Hockenberry,

Before the Hubble Telescope was ever constructed you believed that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Didn't you ? It's found in all the textbooks. This was widely believed from the time of Copernicus. And what IS the evidence of this ? You now say it can be provided by images of the Hubble Telescope. Did Copernicus have a Hubble Telescope ? He did not, so what, exactly, is the evidence that has supported this teaching of yours for centuries ? Do tell us please.

Your reply is to retreat from the discussion altogether !!! You write -

I find little reason to do so myself. I'm more than happy to provide you with a link to a site that would certainly prove the contrary. http://www.nasa.gov/

Great ! So you have nothing to provide us except a vague reference to the Hubble Telescope !!! Isn't that a circular argument ? What evidence can you provide from the last 400 years of astronomy and from other sciences that the Earth actually revolves around the Sun ? And how do you interpret these time-lapsed images of the stars which have been posted here ? The answer is only your silence. Your refusal to provide evidence of any kind.

This looks decidedly awkward for you, doesn't it ? You believe something but cannot provide evidence in its support. In science this is called dogmatism, isn't it ? 'The Earth revolves around the Sun' because, well, because you insist 'the Earth revolves round the Sun'. Isn't that the sum total of your argument ? With no actual evidence to support your argument and these images completely suggesting the opposite !


Thanks

wahahaha.

Explain to me the phases of plaets and the moon, then.

Check Section 10 here.

Until you can come up with a flaw in that explanation of your photographs (one that doesn't involve Job), I think that you're going to have trouble convincing anyone that the Earth is fixed (or if you prefer, FIXED) in space.

@Musicology,

Sir/madame, please don't mind the uneducated unbelievers here. This lot refuses to believe in anything that isn't supported by a bunch of fundamentalist scientists who have nothing but absurd and obscure mathematical equations to carry their point across. I do firmly believe that our planet Earth, created by the almighty, is the only static object in this nonchalant universe and everything else revolves around us--the only significant beings created in His image by the Divine Providence.

Might I also suggest that you take a look at the Flat Earth Society (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/) which attempts at refuting the rather absurd claim that Earth is round and not flat?

I will happily explain the phases of the planets (which you spell 'plaets') and the moon. But this thread is on the subject of the fixed Earth. A subject which deserves its own thread. Now, if you wish to explain the phases of the planets and the moon please do so first. Since the main subject of this thread is the fixed Earth and your failure to address the evidence already presented is rather obvious.

Here, for your education, is evidence of the so-called Mickelson/Morley experiments begun in 1887. Which were so disastrous for the conventions of 400 years of fiction that their results had to be ignored. One example from dozens. Leading to the invention of the bogus theory of Einstein's 'Relativity' -

To Michelson's utter amazement, his experiment produced a zero effect. Michelson could find no drag on the transmission of light in any direction. He detected only the slightest shift in the interference fringes. Both halves of the split single beam of light were returning at virtually the same instant.

The data were almost unbelievable. The so-called ether wind had had no effect whatever on the velocity of light whether the beam was traveling with the "wind" or across it. There was only one other possible conclusion to draw—that the Earth was at rest. This, of course, was preposterous.

(Jaffe, 'Michelson and the Speed of Light', p. 76).

So, are you prepared to discuss the subject of this thread, together with the evidence (photographic and otherwise) already supplied ?

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Originally Posted by kiki1982

wahahaha.

Explain to me the phases of plaets and the moon, then.

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So it could be a camera moving in a roughly circular path !!!!!!!!!!!!

In that case, how do you explain the fact there are literally thousands of similar photographs taken from all over the world ? Thousands of cameras moving in a roughly circular path over hours ? Right :crash:

Why not take some images by time-lapsed photography yourself ? You and your friend who is in the satellite industry. And tell us how you interpret their results ?

LOL !!

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Of course it could be evidence of the observer moving in a roughly circular path over the time-lapsed exposure of those images.

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Will you tell us then your interpretation of these images ?

Incidentally, there are no less than 68 references in the bible to the motion of the sun. And none at all to any motion of the Earth. The Sun is moving daily around the Earth. So are the planets and the stars moving around the Earth. But the Earth is fixed in space together with its atmosphere. So says the bible. So say these images. And so say the discoveries of science. The rest is popular (400year old) fiction. Taught as 'fact' despite it being contradicted by scientific evidence in volumes.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Check Section 10 here.

Until you can come up with a flaw in that explanation of your photographs (one that doesn't involve Job), I think that you're going to have trouble convincing anyone that the Earth is fixed (or if you prefer, FIXED) in space.

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The phases of the moon and the planets are a definite part of the solar system as geocentrism argues they ae orbitting around the earth. How do they go into phases?

I said, explain.

You see, you do not explain yourself, obviously because you can't.

I asked you a question and I expect an answer.

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Thanks Papapayhed,

Do you agree these time-lapsed photographs show stars moving in a roughly circular path over those hours of their exposure ?

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Of course but that is attributed to the rotation of the earth.

But I asked you to address the subject of this thread. If you wish to discuss the phases of the moon and the planets why not open a separate thread and I will happily contribute. After you have offered your own explanation, that is.

In the meantime the title of this thread (and the evidence produced here) are related to the Earth being fixed in space. A subject on which you have apparently nothing to offer, despite being presented now with some of the mass of evidence that exists in its support.

So, open your thread and explain your dogma. This thread will run first before I am diverted from it.

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Originally Posted by kiki1982

The phases of the moon and the planets are a definite part of the solar system as geocentrism argues they ae orbitting around the earth. How do they go into phases?

I said, explain.

You see, you do not explain yourself, obviously because you can't.

I asked you a question and I expect an answer.

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This thread explains so much about the Mozart thread.