What does it mean to "be emancipated"
(this is a continuation of my previous post, "Pie in the Sky", because I have exceeded the 10,000 character per post limitation).
What is our definition of "emancipation?" Certainly, the right to vote is very important. But just last week there was a documentary about Egypt, and they were interviewing a small town official, similar to a mayor, who worked closely with the local population, to help them with problems and material needs. He explained that, come election time, all those people he had helped throughout the year would come to this "mayor" and say: "You have helped us so much and now it is election time, so we want to repay you by casting our votes for the candidates you choose." The "mayor" explained that he would hand them a list of which candidates to vote for. Now, in such little towns, the women may be emancipated enough to have voting rights. But IF it is the case that, in PRACTICE, the people choose to treat voting as a favor to be repaid, then certainly one cannot say that this is democracy in practice. This is not what was originally envisioned when representative elected governments were first founded. Certainly, I am not saying that it is like this in every Islamic society. I am simply pointing out that there can be a vast difference between "theory and practice." Theory is what you see promised in the religious texts or the government constitutions, but practice is what you find in real life; daily life.
I recently watched that movie Monsieur Ibrahim, with Omar Sharif and Francois Dupeyron, on DVD, about an old Muslim shopkeep, in Paris, who adopts an orphaned Jewish boy. The jacket of the DVD explained that Omar Sharif's movies are banned in Egypt because he played opposite the Jewish actress, Barbra Streisand, and kissed her. I was shocked to learn this trivia fact. Such censorship will cease only when the minds and personalities of an entire society are emancipated through education and culture from the shackles of prejudice and ignorance. Only when the minds of a population are emancipated will you see actualized in practice genuine civil rights, human rights, racial equality, gender equality, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of peaceful assembly, freedom of belief and freedom to disbelieve.
http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/...x?mp=b&c=50043
The above link is to a brief biography of Omar Sharif, which mentions the bann in Egypt. One forum member assures me that his movies are shown daily in Egypt, which is pleasing news for me to hear. The wording in the biography is vague about when the bann took place, and how extensive it was.
There is something which Omar Sharif says several times in that movie which is quite germane to the question which this thread poses. Several times during the movie, the young boy asks Omar various important questions about life, and Omar simply answers, "I know what is in my Qu'ran".
We do not learn until the very end of the movie what is really meant by that statement. If I tell you what is meant, it will be a SPOILER, so I have placed the spoiler by itself on one page of my site, and here is the link:
http://toosmallforsupernova.org/sharif.htm
so do not visit and read if you have not seen the movie, because it is a real spoiler, and will rob you of the enjoyment of seeing this wonderful movie. I suggest you watch the movie first, and then visit my link.
The emancipation of any given individual, within any given society is dependent, not only upon the promises and encouragements of the scriptures and constitutions of that society, but upon the degree of liberation in the mind of the average citizen in that society. How emancipated is each mind from prejudice?
The motto of the Liberal Arts College which I attended is, "I make free men out of children with books and balance (Facio liberos ex liberis libris libraque)." Education is a means to emancipation in the broadest sense of the word.
You can legislate all the civil rights and equality and human rights you please, but would you "want to hire one of them" or "would you want your daughter to marry one?" It is the answers to such questions which are the measure of civil rights and human rights, and not the simply words on the pages of books or scrolls. There are laws on the books prohibiting spitting on the sidewalks, but we still must be careful to watch where we step.
Karl Marx certainly encouraged the emancipation of the working classes: "Workers of the world, unite, for you have nothing to loose but your chains." China and the former Soviet Union had over 3 generations worth of time to put the theory into practice. Were the workers emancipated? I don't know. You tell me.
Has the Qu’ran been successful, or the Gospels or the Torah? There are 15 million Jews in the world today, over one billion Muslims and over one billion Christians. How do we measure success? Is majority rule what is key? Is truth a popularity contest?
Here is a fascinating and instructive exercise for us to undertake.
Consider the following statement:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forgive your Enemies and Turn the Other Cheek
"The Gospels encourage forgiveness": what is your opinion of this statement.
I am going to tell you up front (cart-before-the-horse-style) that the Gospels are very in-your-face encouraging forgiveness but the majority of Christians (with the interesting exception of the Amish) are short on forgiveness and long on vengeance.
I say this right up front so that the reader will not begin to feel anxiety that I am about to embark upon some Qu'ran bashing by means of some Gospel praising.
Kurt Vonnegut made the astute observation that American Christians are always clamoring to erect monuments and plaques with the Ten Commandments of Moses, but no one ever thinks to erect anything with the Beatitudes of Jesus. It was the Beatitudes of Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount" which were Gandhi's favorite, and not the "Ten Commandments" on the stone tablets which Moses brought down from Sinai.
My motif in this post has been a consideration of things that "work well in theory but do not work at all in practice" and I have broadened the scope of this motif to include not only the scriptures of all religions in general, but also the constitutions of governments. I feel I am trying my best to be non-partisan in this regard.
When I see television documentaries about convicted murderers on death row, in states which are predominantly populated by "bible belt" fundamentalist Christians, and I see throngs of those Christians clamoring for an execution so that "justice might be served" then I cannot help but come away with the feeling that forgiveness, in the Gospels, worked very well in theory but hardly at all in practice; the day to day practice of those professing to be practicing Christians.
If it should be the case that a reader arrives at the subjective conclusion that the theoretical Quranic encouragement of emancipation is a failure in practice, then I hasten to remind that reader that Islam is not alone in its failures, and we may place such failure sided by side with Christianity's failure to recreate the world as people born again with a spirit of forgiveness.
I mentioned one exception to the failure of Christianity to embody forgiveness in daily life: the Amish. Several years ago, I posted something entitled "Forgiveness and the Amish". The Amish are a very small fringe group in Christianity which most mainstream Christians perhaps do not even regard as being Christian at all, but perhaps view them as schismatics or heretics or some misguided sect.
I would like to share with you an excerpt of what I wrote about a traumatic event which took place in a small Amish community and how poignantly and dramatically it illustrates how the Amish succeeded in forgiveness to a degree which greatly surpasses the shortcoming of mainstream Christianity.
Here is one Christian group's take on women's emancipation/liberation:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f003.html
From theory to practice: from words to deeds
(This is a continuation of the previous post #21, "What does it mean to be emancipated", as I am approaching the legal limit of character length.)
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atla...25/page314.htm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forgiveness and the Amish
A few years ago, there was a news item about a crime comitted against a teenage Amish girl by a man who was not Amish.
Several things in the news story were very interesting and instructive.
The Amish felt so strongly about the importance of forgiveness that they all went to court and pleaded for leniency for the accused.
One rarely sees ordinary Christians of other denominations taking the importance of forgiveness so seriously that they would strive to forgive a heinous criminal. They barely seem capable sometimes of being tolerant or civil to Christians of other denominations with slightly different doctrines, practices or beliefs.
The other thing of interest was what happened during the crime. The man abducted the teenage girl and drove off to a secluded area. He ordered her to undress. All she did was remove her shoes. He became angry and ordered her to continue to remove the rest of her clothes. She said, "A cannot do that, it is sinful." So he took a knife and cut the clothing to remove it.
In the courtroom trial, this shredded and cut clothing became highly significant evidence. The court used it as the strongest form of proof that the girl did not engage in consentual activity.
I am sure that the young girl did not have a clever legal mind to realize at the very oment of the crime the result of her refusal to undress. She simply very innocently felt that if she participated and cooperated, that her guilt of sin would be increased.
So often in various situations, we are unaware of the long term effects of our subtle choices and behavior.
The best forms of moral/ethical behavior are those which arise as second nature, without our thinking much about them, from long ingrained habits.
Sow a thought, reap an action.
Sow an action, reap a habit.
Sow a habit, reap a character.
Sow a character, reap a destiny.
Derrida, a proponent of Postmodernism, once said that "Genuine forgiveness, if such a thing is possible at all, is to be found only in the face of the unforgivable." (paraphrased from memory)
What are the prerequisites for emancipation?
If I might have your permission to "jack up" the topic of this thread to the highest question of all, not simply regarding Islam, but all religions, and not simply regarding the important issue of emancipation, but regarding that which is the prerequesite and sine qua non of all other human rights, namely PEACE; in what way do the religions and constitutions of the world encourage peace, for, before we can have liberty and equality and fraternity and emancipation and wisdom and enlightenment and the heavenly host of other wonderful things we seek, we must above all, achieve lasting, world-wide peace. We still seem to be some distance from the goal of world peace. I am sure it is just around the corner.
It is small consolation to be emancipated if people are shooting at you and bombing you.
You know, I think we should ask Jimmy Carter to post his opinion in this thread. Now, Jimmy happens to be a personal friend of mine.
(Sitaram shouts)
"Hey, Jimmy, come on over hear and take a look at this thread and tell us what you think!"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Carter
On my bookshelf I have an interesting book that was published in 1978 called The 100, by Michael Hart. It is a ranking of the most influential persons in history. I disagree with a lot of Hart's opinions. For instance, he ranks Jesus third, behind Muhammad and Isaac Newton (Buddha, Confuscius and St. Paul come next). Despite this, it is an intriguing text, with some thought-provoking analyses. For eample, Hart explains that he ranks Muhammad first because he was the sole founder of Islam, while Jesus and Paul share the responsibility for Christianity. Muhammad was also a great secular leader, while Jesus Christ refused to accept any worldly authority.
What is most pertinent is the author's description of the unique message of Christ. Almost all religions adopt some form of the Golden Rule as a premise, but Jesus was alone in commanding that we forgive enemies, turn the other cheek, or walk a second mile. Hart then quotes the text for this lesson and says that if these words and others from the Sermon on the Mount "were widely followed, I would have no hesitation in placing Jesus first in this book."
- from Sources of Strength by Jimmy Carter
Chapter 5, The Special Message
Page 20
Jimmy Carter points out that it is the failure of practicing Christians themselves to actualize in day-to-day practice in their lives that spirit of forgiveness which their scripture encourages in theory that prevents an author like Michael Hart from taking Jesus more seriously.