Literature with POSITIVE view on drugs (the argument from freedom)

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Originally Posted by hampusforev

Thank you everybody. I know drugs can totally screw up lives, just like the Beatles, heavy metal and internet porn can do (yes I know of examples of all three). But ultimately it's an issue of freedom, which is why I'm speaking against prohibition. I'd like to provide some great authors who wrote about drugs, not that it adds anything in terms of argument, but just for reference.

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Don't be silly. They have to get drugs from somewhere. Unless you propose to put them in supermarkets, there's going to still be people thinking they can sell tablets which have god-knows-what in to people who don't know any better. What about the poor person's family? It's a totally selfish argument to say you have the right to destroy yourself, because it's not just about you.

You might like Artaud:
It is not opium which makes me work but its absence, and in order for me to feel its absence it must from time to time be present.
Antonin Artaud

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

Don't be silly. They have to get drugs from somewhere. Unless you propose to put them in supermarkets, there's going to still be people thinking they can sell tablets which have god-knows-what in to people who don't know any better. What about the poor person's family? It's a totally selfish argument to say you have the right to destroy yourself, because it's not just about you.

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What about the United States alcohol prohibition of the early 1900's?

Illegal production of alcohol became uncontrollable and not to mention dangerous. Bootlegging led to racketeering until the repeal of the prohibition in the 1930's.

How many times do you see someone on the street selling illegal alcohol? I am sure it exists, but I have never come across a single case.

I am not saying ALL drugs should be legalized, but our prisons are overflowing with petty drug criminals, and drug criminals whom we are all paying taxes on in order to support.

I have talked extensively with people whose lives are ruined due to drugs, and people whose lives have been saved due to drugs.

Okay I am done whining now :), but where do we draw the line?
But ....ahem... yeah, books....

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Originally Posted by Mariamosis

What about the United States alcohol prohibition of the early 1900's?

Illegal production of alcohol became uncontrollable and not to mention dangerous. Bootlegging led to racketeering until the repeal of the prohibition in the 1930's.

How many times do you see someone on the street selling illegal alcohol? I am sure it exists, but I have never come across a single case.

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Alcohol is an entirely different matter. It is only the over-consumption of that that is dangerous- one drug pill can be enough to kill you.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

Alcohol is an entirely different matter. It is only the over-consumption of that that is dangerous- one drug pill can be enough to kill you.

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It's pretty obvious that you know nothing about drugs. In 2007 scientists heeded for a reclassification of drugs, and alcohol and tobacco is more dangerous than ecstasy, LSD, amphetamine and cannabis.
Not to say that they don't have any dangers to them, but having them illegal just simply doesn't work. Read LEAP's (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) statement about first hand account with prohibition, it doesn't work. It fuels the black market which isn't exactly known for human decency, and the prices sky-rocket because some people have such high addiction rate that they'll do anything for heroin. Locking them up DOESN'T work.

Of course you could still get pills and drugs from the black market, just like some people brew their own alcohol, but it would decrease significantly. The comparison with US alcohol prohibition is pretty accurate, when alcohol became illegal, murders and deaths irrupted, and when they reinstated alcohol the mobsters shrunk in power, quite drastically at that.

People are going to use drugs, stop hiding from that. Regulating them is the only way. It's safer, it could help the economy, and it's not a mockery of personal choice.

Of course it's selfish! I don't condone it, but freedom might lead to selfish behaviour. I don't see your argument, just because someone is selfish towards their family you should lock them up? It's a private issue which they should deal with themselves. You're basically playing the emotional card, of course I feel bad for the families who were destroyed by drugs, but the present solution doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Alyoshka

It probably isn't totally what you're looking for, but it sure is about drugs: Trainspotting by Irvine Welsh; it's brilliant! I wouldn't say it's against drug-prohibition, but it's a great novel about the effect drugs have on you and your life.

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After reading and later watching it... it had made me stop experimenting. Definitely, it had a little positive view on drugs but put me off anyway.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

Alcohol is an entirely different matter. It is only the over-consumption of that that is dangerous- one drug pill can be enough to kill you.

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This site has a little more information on the subject in case anyone is interested.
http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

and now to help Brian Bean:
This issue could probably be discussed more in the Serious Discussions Forum.:)

To get back on topic... I believe Oscar Wilde also made mention of opium use in 'The Picture of Dorian Gray'

Assertions regarding to the dangers of various intoxicants are not relevant to this topic. The effects of different chemicals are different for different people. What would not be noticed by one person would be an extremely strong intoxicant to another, and what might give a mild high to one person would make another insane. De Quincey didn't mention great pains of withdrawal when he stopped taking opium after more than twenty years; he mentioned having a cold that lasted a month, as if he had saved up all of the colds that he hadn't gotten while using opium.

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Originally Posted by PeterL

The effects of different chemicals are different for different people. What would not be noticed by one person would be an extremely strong intoxicant to another, and what might give a mild high to one person would make another insane.

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There is no dispute regarding this statement and Dr. Ronald Siegel wrote a great book which relates various accounts of cocaine use and the paranoia that is attributed to its abuse. It is entitled: 'Whispers: The Voices of Paranoia'

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Originally Posted by AuntShecky

Aldous Huxley wrote about LSD long before the late sixties, when it was in the news. Sorry, but I can't remember the title of Huxley's specific novel about drugs.

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The Doors of Perception. Huxley was a strong advocate of LSD and believed that, when taken, it can reveal new planes of consciousness. Definitely a must-read for anyone interested in that topic. I'd also recommend Huxley's Brave New World because it explores the theme of a society which accepts (and to an extent is dependent on) drug use.

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Originally Posted by Mariamosis

There is no dispute regarding this statement and Dr. Ronald Siegel wrote a great book which relates various accounts of cocaine use and the paranoia that is attributed to its abuse. It is entitled: 'Whispers: The Voices of Paranoia'

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My observation has been that people become more self-centered and somewhat nasty when they take coke, but CNS stimulants seems to encourage paranoia in many people. For me that's an example of a drug that does nothing at all to some people.

Try 'Junky' by William S. Burroughs. It's a very honest description of junk addiction in which Burroughs presents all the positives and the negatives of being an addict. The junk withdrawal, the euphoric kick, the crime, the jail, the rehab clinic, getting the habit, kicking the habit, getting it again . . . it's all there in the book. Some people say they try drugs after reading it (though for me, it had the opposite effect - though I do, like Burroughs did, support drug legalisation).

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

Don't be silly. They have to get drugs from somewhere. Unless you propose to put them in supermarkets, there's going to still be people thinking they can sell tablets which have god-knows-what in to people who don't know any better. What about the poor person's family? It's a totally selfish argument to say you have the right to destroy yourself, because it's not just about you.

You might like Artaud:
It is not opium which makes me work but its absence, and in order for me to feel its absence it must from time to time be present.
Antonin Artaud

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If people can't destroy themselves, then they're slaves, just like if they can't have freedom of movement, can't improve themselves by education, can't be with certain people or say certain things etc. etc.. Basically, the government says: you will not use drugs in the privacy of your own home, or we'll lock you up. War on drugs = war on freedom.

What is it that the Americans say?

"Don't tred on me"

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Of course you could still get pills and drugs from the black market, just like some people brew their own alcohol, but it would decrease significantly. The comparison with US alcohol prohibition is pretty accurate, when alcohol became illegal, murders and deaths irrupted, and when they reinstated alcohol the mobsters shrunk in power, quite drastically at that.

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Precisely.

Look up Timothy Leary.

Have you seen The Wire? TV series, not a novel, obviously, but part of the intent is a damning indictment of the war on drugs. Not that it's pro-drugs. I believe some of the writers who worked on it are also novelists writing about similar subjects, so you could look up some of their books.

On a completely different tack, there are the Carlos Castaneda books, The Teachings of Don Juan and its sequels, in which the author describes (totally made up) experiences of meeting a Mexican shaman and being conducted, via hallucinogens, through various visionary experiences.

Surprised no one's mentioned Hunter S. Thompson. It gets pretty hairy for him at times, but he never ever comes down on the side of opposing drug use. 'I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.' Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas would be the apotheosis of this creed. A must-read classic, in my view.

You could also try Jean Cocteau's Opium.

EDIT: Oh, I see, yes, you did mention Thompson. Oh well.

hey, it's not exactly 'literature' but I recently read High Society by Ben Elton, and though it doesn't really approve of drugs in so many words, it does put forward
compelling arguments for why drug use should be made legal.