Bibles view on Homosexuality

Soddam and Gohmorra:

According to Mike Pearson (Dphil Oxford Ethics, Phd Reading University Biblical Languages) S&G were destroyed for 'perversions of life'. There is nothing in the Hebrew to suggest that these perversions were sexual in nature at all. The crowd who intended on boinking Lot's male strangers was NOT the cause for the destruction. The order of events in the bible is an unhappy coincidence for gays, but there isn't any corrolation outside of speculation.

Don't forget that 'homosexuality' wasn't even a concept until recently. Throughout history influential leaders (including James I, you know the one who commissioned the BIBLE, yeah. That one) have had male 'favourites' and it was never even deemed immoral by the clergy. Throughout Greek, Roman, Mideval, Rennaissance, and even into the early-modern period homosexual activity was looked on with a attitude of 'boys will be boys'. The Bible NEVER explicitly gives an opinion on it, and you can be sure that there was enough of it going on back then that if it WAS important, than certainly the Bible would have been more clear. We are talking about 0 AD. The hight of Roman rule. Practically EVERY important Roman had male lovers including young boys. It was a respectible practice, and the Bible... respected it. People who are looking to the Bible to condemn homosexuality will have just as much luck finding condemnation of breaking the speed limit or insider trading.

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Originally Posted by Miss Darcy

Oh dear...Christianity makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

Firstly, let's get this straight (no pun intended) - homosexuality makes me squirm. I don't like it. I think it's pretty horrific. But then again, gays...can't really help being gay. They are either born that way or reared in an environment that makes them so. For example, take Tchaikovsky. Brilliant man. A genius. Pure music. And? He went to an all-boys' school that had a lot of homosexuals and became one himself. He was extremely guilty about it - he didn't want to. But it happened. He did his very best to suppress it. He even married a woman to try to change - unhappily, she was mentally unstable and he felt a sort of repugnance towards her. He called her "the serpent". So poor old Tchaikovsky. And the same goes for Oscar Wilde - a brilliant mind, literary genius. And he got imprisoned for being gay. Do you think it was his fault?!

Now that is a *lot* longer than I had intended. It's not the kind of subject I enjoy writing about. But I felt I had to defend the poor guys, at least for the sake of the two genii I talked about.

*Shakes head at herself* No more, now, no more.

Darcy.

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I don't mean to be offensive... but that's the most homophobic piece of... writing I've read in a long time.

I think sometimes it is pitiful that you have to bring religion into some one elses life to tell them that they are wrong. Thats just inhumane.!

And narrow-minded... and I think I better shut up now, lol.

I agree with you Jay, narrow. I always ask people who "gay-bash" what if you were born in a world where the norm was being with the same gender, but you were attracted to the opposite. How would you control that? I mean, people that pick their noses make me squirm, but I look away. Homosexuality is what it is. Religion is what it is. I never answer my door on a Saturday morning to two men, or two women, etc., asking me to join their "way", handing out literature on how I could become a better person, have a better life if I just "turned". It's about sexuality, I don't question what, in my interpretation may be freaky, my friends or family do in their bedrooms, it's none of my concern, 'cause I'm not there. I guess I have a simple approach to this, but, really, there are too many variables, conditions, to why you have a certain lifestyle or personality.

....I'm just wondering where's the limit of human freedom stands....


And Kik...the word boinking...:lol: :lol:..make me laugh

uhm kik, read the bibal, perhaps you will find the anti homosexual references.



Dyrwen: Your idea that they should be entitled to pleasure... The bibal states that sex for the sake of pleasure is wrong, regardless of whom/what is doing it, If a child cannot come of the union it is bad. simply put.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

Dyrwen: Your idea that they should be entitled to pleasure... The bibal states that sex for the sake of pleasure is wrong, regardless of whom/what is doing it, If a child cannot come of the union it is bad. simply put.

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I figured as much, thanks.

Good ole' contradictory human nature. God'll give ya endorphins to enjoy sex, good foods and crazy stuff, yet lust, gluttony and a few other things that occur merely because of chemical reactions end up making one a sinner. heh

....oh yeah baby!!!...Grab the torches!!! Grab the swords!!! Tonight we march on Salem!!!! "BURN THE WITCHES!!!!.......

Someone once said that all the boring people go to heaven, the cool place to be is hell. I think that more or less says it all really. I think it was William Blake who once said that the best way to get people to pack the pews in church, was to hand out free beer. Now he had a good idea. Even I might go to church then!:)

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Originally Posted by Dyrwen

I figured as much, thanks.

Good ole' contradictory human nature. God'll give ya endorphins to enjoy sex, good foods and crazy stuff, yet lust, gluttony and a few other things that occur merely because of chemical reactions end up making one a sinner. heh

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That I have also perhaps figured out, life is designed as such to be a test. That why everything fun is illegal, immoral, or dangerous :D

It is all based off of believing, not comprehension.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

uhm kik, read the bibal, perhaps you will find the anti homosexual references.

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Stan, I've read the Bible, and I've read the anti-homosexual translation errors, the anti-homosexual notes in the margins, the anti-homosexual modern commentary, and the anti-homosexual insinuations that are taken out of context in the soddam and ghammora story. But I havn't read anything, ANYTHING against homosexuality in A) the 10 commandments. B) the Levitical and ancient Hebrew laws (and there are ALOT about sexuality. If homosexuality was a sin it would have been adressed here). C) The words of Jesus Christ (words which trump any other written law in the Bible. Keep in mind that this was written during the hight of Roman rule when homosexual favourites, including young male slaves [8-12 years], were the norm among the majority of rich Roman aristocrats. If it was an issue that Christ felt strongly about one way or another it would have been mentioned here). With so many other sins explicity denounced I don't understand where people can invoke the Bible against something it is so vague on. If anyone ANYONE can give me a text that specifically denounces homosexuality, that isn't some Jerry Falwell sponsored translation that translates 'perversions of life' as homosexuality, I'll go stone a homo with you and we can celebrate by going to hooters and watching a monster-truck rally.

kiku;

http://www.ag.org/top/beliefs/relati...homosexual.cfm

speaks of passages, but mind who it's "sponsored" by.

While I was looking this up (see above) and posting, I was thinking, this is sad. It's more about our interpretations, like you said kiku, about the vagueness. While I don't have the equipment to scratch while watching the gals with big tips serve me at hooters, I'd gladly go with you, should someone take you up on your offer.

unfortunately I can't access that site because my crappy university network doesn't have that port open, but I've heard it before and I can gaurentee you that people have added interpretations of very ambiguous phrases. But thats pretty messed up that you would take me up on my offer to stone a homo, but hey, wasn't it Jerry Falwell who said he would gladly murder a homosexual for Jesus Christ?