Writer of Genesis (this is not meant to be offensive)

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Originally Posted by Dr. Hill

Remember that nothing in the Bible was original, so the writers of the bible were thieves, not perverts.

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I guess that depends on the translation of this supposedly infallible book, amirite? "Thou shall not kill" . . . no, no, scrap that, we'll go with: "Thou shall not murder." :lol:

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Originally Posted by Guinivere

I agree. And the punishment was the same for both as well. So if we believe that the punishment fits the crime then they must have equally sinned in the same measure.

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Any point I could make would cause further arguments, but let us say the punishment fits the crime. With that as a basis, then name the crime, please.

At the end of the day the first part of Genesis is just a story that was used as an explanation of how things came about at the start of time. The problem is not who did what, where and when and how the stories of creation, first sin, murder and such as all civilization through the ages have their versions and each has filched from each other. The problem I see these days are the fundamentalists who believe the stories word for word and if contradiction occurs they have some explantion. They continue to preach that the first chapters are fact and if they had their way they would take us back to the dark ages. I have been, and still remain so, a Christian for most of my life and thank God for giving me enough brain to sort fact from fiction.

One thing to note, I believe that Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it doesn't say apple:D

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Originally Posted by RG57

At the end of the day the first part of Genesis is just a story that was used as an explanation of how things came about at the start of time. The problem is not who did what, where and when and how the stories of creation, first sin, murder and such as all civilization through the ages have their versions and each has filched from each other. The problem I see these days are the fundamentalists who believe the stories word for word and if contradiction occurs they have some explantion. They continue to preach that the first chapters are fact and if they had their way they would take us back to the dark ages. I have been, and still remain so, a Christian for most of my life and thank God for giving me enough brain to sort fact from fiction.

One thing to note, I believe that Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it doesn't say apple:D

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Most definiately not an apple. Compare the word "ate" in Genesis with this verse:

Proverbs 30:20
Such [is] the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and WIPETH her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

Now if the sin were sex, the punishment fits the crime. The man to have to work for a living instead of having everything handed to him, and the woman to have to suffer pain in childbirth. Now, was Cain the son of Adam? He was called the son of the evil one. Could this be the serpent? She conceived once, but bare two sons, Cain and Able. Just think about it. The serpent was changed into what we know as a serpent now.

You can get juicy apples... :)

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Originally Posted by Pendragon

Most definiately not an apple. Compare the word "ate" in Genesis with this verse:

Proverbs 30:20
Such [is] the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and WIPETH her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

Now if the sin were sex, the punishment fits the crime. The man to have to work for a living instead of having everything handed to him, and the woman to have to suffer pain in childbirth. Now, was Cain the son of Adam? He was called the son of the evil one. Could this be the serpent? She conceived once, but bare two sons, Cain and Able. Just think about it. The serpent was changed into what we know as a serpent now.

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That's a new theory on me, but an intersesting thought! The problem here that the sin was disobediance, so what punishishment would fit this crime, obviously God took it to the extreme. I have just looked at the birh of Cain and Abel and true in my version it does not specifically say that Adam was the father of both, but I think it can be taken as read that he was. I think the serpant is just a pain in the asp!:lol:

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

You can get juicy apples... :)

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Yeah but are they always sweet:)?