Nizar Qabbani

HG

it's a good thing if you know a language you are praying in,,,but one can pray even by knowing the 'established meaning of the words recited,',,However, on the whole prayer depends on the strength of your conviction and faith.

Just for your information, and my surprise too, the word NAMAZ is interpreted by one of the Muslim sects to mean ' Dua' as opposed to conventional method of 'prayer or God-worship'',,,,they just raise their hands up and ''wish'' and don't follow the traditional method or system of praying!


So, lets get back to Nazari,,,,
as i admitted before I havnt read him any more than a few of his poems,,,wasn't much impressed but he does seem to have many fans whose choice also has to be respected.

What is poetry if Nazari is not doing it? Unlike the masters of Arabic poetry he may not be that good but afterall we cannot deny that he's a poet....how good or bad his message may seem to us. Muhammad Iqbal had a message in his poetry,,,and a philosophy of his own viz SELF or Khudi which he called. If Nazari inducts porn in his poetry he's not being fair to his art! We can find crap everywhere,,,,it's easy but worthless!

As to Nazari's composition, I personally like form poetry but don't mind if some good thing could be said conveniently in prose-verse or free verse, with no metre, no rhythm no rhyme,,,(no Qafia, no radeef, no bahoor, no auzaan, no zameen, no fasahat no balaghat etc!)) After reading a bit more of him I would be able to comment more on his diction and style,,,meantime you can continue with Samah,,I think she's an Arab and competent enough to understand the lingo??

What kind of love Nizar is referring to??
why trees come to him and not mountains?

http://www.nizar.net/english/whenilove.htm

I understand your point HerG. i am not saying that we must go back to the old arabic language, even in past people preferd the easy poems, for example Ibn Jareer poems were accepted by normal people more than Alfarazdaq poems due to their easy language and sweat sound but language scientists and poets almost all agree that poems of alfarazdaq are better and stronger than Ibn Jareer poems.
In same time i cant accept one poem because it agrees with the street language, even persons who dont know any thing about language and mistake in grammer so badly and cant say one sentence without mistakes try to say poems and take Nizar and Darwish like someone to follow. Now there are Nabati poems, try to hear them, any one who respect his language cant accept this "crap", no grammer no arabic even non arabic letters are used, but this type of poems are increasing, even theyb make tv shows for them, can i say that such poems can exist because poeple do not talk standard arabic, or because its the street language?
I am not a poet and cant pretend to be one, even big language scientists in the pats alot of them understand poems and can analise them so perfect but they cant say poems. In same time i can write alot of "poems" on Darwish and Nizar way and they can be so good, but i know i am not a poet, alot of poeple write poems on Nizar way, every one became poet, because its so easy, no language needed and any thing you say even if its stupid you can say its a symbol and only clever poeple can understand it.
I like Ahmad Shaoqi, Iqbal read their poems you wont find difficult arabic but you will find real poems, real description,clear terms beautiful structure strong lines.
If we consider Nizar's way a maximom, and Darwish as the best poet (as alot say) then we are really bad in language and at least must try to read more to increase our grammer and to go back to the standard arabic, perhaps not in street but at least in our books and studyings. I consider "Alhadatha Poems" as a scale, if alot like them then standard language is vanishing and we are in critical postion. We all know we are so bad in language, try not to bring poems to our bad language but to go back to the eight language and poems

Ok Shield and Sword, our arabic language is not very good these days but thats the way it is now, you cant go back and speak the old language and about ahmad shawqi of course he was a great poet but he was not as good as alfarazduq or abu nawas and I dont think they were as good as the old poets in souq okath ,and also you dont have to use the old language in order to be a good poet sometimes the most simple words can give the deepest meanings and thats the beauty of the language and thats what Nizar and Darwish were able to do and thats the real talent .

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Originally Posted by mazHur

What kind of love Nizar is referring to??
why trees come to him and not mountains?

http://www.nizar.net/english/whenilove.htm

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I guess he was talking about being deeply in love with a woman mostly, and he used trees and not mountains because trees are alive if you notice in the prevoius sentence
"When I love
the water gushes from my fingers
grass grows on my tongue
when I love
I become time outside all time''

you'll see that he used water and grass to refer to life .

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Originally Posted by samah

sometimes the most simple words can give the deepest meanings and thats the beauty of the language and thats what Nizar and Darwish were able to do and thats the real talent .

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That's right Samah, but unfortunately I don't think that Nizar is able to use any powerful words that can give the deepest meanings. I've read a poem about Qana, and it wasn't good at all. I felt that I'm reading the news, no powerful meanings, no images, nothing .
but you might see something i'm not able to see in his poems.
Thanks:)

Actually mercy_mankind I never read Qana so maybe you are right about it but i was talking about his love poems like your eyes "aynaki" I found it very touching and I find Darwishes political poems are powerful just like the ones Marcelle khalifeh used to sing.