Does death end everything?

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Originally Posted by Metanoia

I am by nature, a very sceptical person. I question everything, wether it be God, the after life, the government or anything else. The theories I believe, I've discovered on my own. I very well might be an atheist if I had not experienced so many unexplainable things. For instance, a few years ago when I was growing up, I would have these dreams and the next day everything from my dream would happen. Somthing insignificant, like a red balloon floating down the street and a little boy runnig after it (this actually happened). It made me realize there was some kind of plan, that somehow I had glimpsed or tapped into. I also started having out-of-body experiences, of which I'm sure I was no longer in a physical form. Therefore I believe we go somewhere when our heart stops beating, since I've left my body while still alive. I think all people are capable of doing these things, they just have their blinders on for one reason or another. I've read alot of your posts blaze, and you have some very good opinions (you to Midas) Keep up the open-minded disscusions. :)

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Metanoia, this world is really mysterious and we know very little of it. Our scientific discoveries, no matter how much we are proud of it, is like a drop in the vast ocean or an insect trying to scale Mt. Everest.
We are far behind. It is not that once we fail to prove something scientifically
we subscribe to spirituality. No. As you have said, at times things happen, some rare phenomena for which we have no explanations, and indeed such experiences have some connections somewhere. And we human beings just get glimpses, sparkles of truth, shares of reality and not the entire truth.

I will also share a rare experience I too have undergone. One day I was in my office, a man from my village came to me with a message. He said my mother was unconscious that morning all of a sudden. I rushed home immediately. Indeed that night I had seen a bad dream. The dream was bad according to the elders of mine. I was sad all the morning for I was really afraid of the unknown. I can not reason it. No matter how skeptical I am, how much materialistically I get oriented I cannot efface the matter.

Of course all of us have some private experiences in life, some happenings we can not relate to scientific reasoning. We foresee things at times but we can not rationalize them.

In fact I am torn between things, and at times I become very skeptical of everything and suddenly I believe there is some source of everything, even a source of my ego, consciousness or awareness. I cannot reason it or put it in a logical frame, but am very convinced.

But one thing I am dead sure is the fact that life does not end with death. The quiver or sensation of life keeps on going eternally, and nothing can stop it, and I do not name it a spirit or a soul or anything but a vibration or something of it goes on and on. Maybe we may not live individually after death, maybe collectively or integrally with the Great Consciousness or Vibration. I am wordless to express what I feel and am convinced of .

I just notice this thread and havn't read it all except a para at the top.

Tibet is called a land of mysteries, no doubt. I know a little bit about it. People there had been known to practising ''artificial death'' there. Perhaps Blaze would be able to shed more light on it.

As for visions and dreams, I can tell from my experience that all dreams or visions by common people usually don't give out correct results. Having too much dreams in our part of the world is attributed to bad digestion.

No body in the world can predict future,,,,not even prophets were capable of doing so except when , with the leave of God, they were supposed to show some miracle. As far as dreams are concerned, the case of prophet Joseph could be referred to as a good example of dreams and their interpretations.

Though not a religious man myself I have personally observed certain phenomena which are unexplainable yet true. Spirituality does exist but as we cannot explain it as in the case of science, we just shun it as non-science or mystery or occult.

The science of mind is more intricate than physical sciences and science that we know is yet a drop in the ocean.

God says that He temporarily takes away the ''spirit'' from men during their sleep. Though the heart beats during sleep but a person is as good as a dead person as long as he sleeps. Then God blows the spirit again into the mortal body thereby giving it yet another life to live. Thus mortals live and die every day until finally God takes away spirit from them permanently.

God says tht He will gather all mortals on the day of Judgement and make them alive. I believe this because a God who can grow greenery in desert, gush out springs from stones, and turn impossible into possible and vice versa is certainly capable of gathering and blowing life again into the dead mortals.

Death is a certainty and unavoidable. But I don't think all ends up after death. Infact a new life springs up after death.(now don't ask me for proof !)

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Having too much dreams in our part of the world is attributed to bad digestion.

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:lol: that's what my mom tells me!

I hope there is nothing after death. Living forever without any possibility to stop seems dreadful to me.

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Originally Posted by Sweets America

I hope there is nothing after death. Living forever without any possibility to stop seems dreadful to me.

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Indeed it seems dreadful to all, for, life is meaningless, and there is no certainty that any time we can pass away.

In point of fact life is really meaningless if there is no faith. I am not a religious person and not even spirituality appeals to me in an ordinary way. Yet I cannot totally say that every thing ends up with death, and man is just a bubble.

If we simply observe natural phenomena, nothing is destroyable in substance, scientifically speaking too it matter is indestructible. So there is no question that you will die, materialistically speaking too. Man is formed of different substances, and there is some energy or something that integrates human bodies. Indeed, there is something there that integrates everything.

I do not believe the way mythologies describe rebirths or the afterlife. For there is nothing indeed that we can totally hinge on in essence. Yet something that goes on living, or something that remains after death and that can reintegrate. Maybe this is logically or from a rationalistic standpoint an unsound argument and no empirically too not appealing.

Life is not necessarily meaningless without faith, I don't think so. You can have various goals in your life and different ways to see it.
I just don't like the idea that I could not stop being if I wanted to. Immortality would be a curse to me. And I like knowing that there is a deadline, it motivates me. :D

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Originally Posted by Metanoia

I am by nature, a very sceptical person. I question everything, wether it be God, the after life, the government or anything else. The theories I believe, I've discovered on my own. I very well might be an atheist if I had not experienced so many unexplainable things. For instance, a few years ago when I was growing up, I would have these dreams and the next day everything from my dream would happen. Somthing insignificant, like a red balloon floating down the street and a little boy runnig after it (this actually happened). It made me realize there was some kind of plan, that somehow I had glimpsed or tapped into. I also started having out-of-body experiences, of which I'm sure I was no longer in a physical form. Therefore I believe we go somewhere when our heart stops beating, since I've left my body while still alive. I think all people are capable of doing these things, they just have their blinders on for one reason or another. I've read alot of your posts blaze, and you have some very good opinions (you to Midas) Keep up the open-minded disscusions. :)

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I think the strange things you've experienced are rather normal, if rare and usually unidentified. I think the future can influence the past, or the present the past, just as the present influences the future. For a while a couple months ago I had these strange feelings of deja vu. Instead of something feeling familiar, however, it was more simply and definitively, "I have a memory of this. This has happened before." I had the feeling of the exact same situation, the only difference being, the time it happened before was in my childhood. The previous time was more scary. As an adult now, I take in a wider view of the situation and so many factors are trivial and non-frightening, like other adults, for instance. But I had the memory of the same exact situations, only when everything was strange and threatening. This was just one of the situations, one of the more shocking. I wracked my brain for another time which might have been similar, but I could come up with nothing. Except for instance, the vague knowledge I must have had in my subconscious that people did what I was doing- vacuuming out an RV, parked in the grass, etc., etc.

I believe in eternal recurrence. The only reason I believe in this advanced, fanciful notion is that I think it is accurate to reality, and something if I look at critically I will see is real. It's not specific elements of a moment that occur over and over, it is every single element of it. Why do I feel this way? Because it feels like a moment that happens now has happened before; not in the way we think of it- this is important- not that it plays over and over, but that it is over and over, somehow...like, it does play over and over, but also it doesn't.

But, another thing I think is that it's very likely our entire lives are in our minds from birth. When we sleep, the next day is in our mind, although it's shifting, you know. Anyway, just saw your comment and wanted to share mine, since it seems similar.

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Originally Posted by Sweets America

Life is not necessarily meaningless without faith, I don't think so. You can have various goals in your life and different ways to see it.
I just don't like the idea that I could not stop being if I wanted to. Immortality would be a curse to me. And I like knowing that there is a deadline, it motivates me. :D

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Man is not just a physical entity and of course there is something more than materiality and something that breathes life into the body or that livens up the body. That is not analyzable or can be dissected the way the body can be. Man can evade his physical limitation and can traverse time and space. Today this minuscule bodily existence is won over and man takes amazing flights of heights and distances. It all approves of his inestimable and illimitable capacities for the impossible.

If man is taken only biologically or physically like a diminutive entity he could not make discoveries to make this world better. That he has boundless power and he is indeed beyond this corporeal form is evident from a great many accomplishments done by him.