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10-24-2007, 06:45 AM
TheFifthElement

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

milk could theoretically fall into the category of animal products/byproducts though... but, the egg...I suppose this depend on how you define life, and if you consider both parts of the reproductive process to be independantly alive...

This is a very perceptive point Stanislaw - most people don't realise that in order for a cow to produce milk she must first have a calf, and the male calves are put straight into the veal crate. There's an interesting bbc article about it here :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/food_matters/veal.shtml

Baki - why do you put mayonnaise on your hair? :sick:
10-24-2007, 06:50 AM
papayahed

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

Can't you get enough nutricion from veggies? I've always had perfect health since I stopped eating meat.

Untrue!! Weren't you complaining about your mom making you eat fish because your anemic? That's not perfect health.

Maybe you need to do more research into vegetarian recipes and try to start adding other sources of protein into your diet. There's vast amounts of information out there and a crap ton of recipes.

http://www.vrg.org/

http://www.vegetariantimes.com/

I think you need to decide why your a vegetarian and go from there. If it's from the standpoint that killing animals is wrong (I'm assuming this is the case) really isn't anything wrong with eggs or milk for reasons already mentioned above. Of course you would probably have to get these product from free range farms...
10-24-2007, 03:38 PM
Bakiryu

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Untrue!! Weren't you complaining about your mom making you eat fish because your anemic? That's not perfect health.

Well, kind-of perfect health. I'm a bit forgetful. If only chocolate was nutritious.

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Originally Posted by TheFifthElement

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/food_matters/veal.shtml

Oh Jesus. I've just read that article. What could we do? I hate veal but I drink lots of milk daily, if I didn't I would probably be thirsty all the time since I don't drink that much water.

But this is murder and it's inhumane. I couldn't stop drinking milk but.....

I have to think about this.

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Originally Posted by TheFifthElement

Baki - why do you put mayonnaise on your hair? :sick:

5th-element, if you put mayonaise on your hair, let it rest and then wash it out (rinse it well so it doesn't smell weird) with ice cold water, you'll get smooth, silky hair and perfect curls! It also hydrates your hair and puts back natural oils into it.
10-24-2007, 04:28 PM
Niamh

Milk is milk Baki. You need the calcium and its other vitimins and minerals to maintain a healthy body. Like everything else too much milk can also make you sick. Also you shouldnt drink milk while eating your dinner as it reduces digestive activity in your tummy causing intergestion and upset tummys. My even restrict bowl movement.
Red Meat is a high Bio value protein thats nessesary in our diet. Eggs are 100% protein and it is recommended that we eat one a day. Beans and Pulses like lentils are also HBV, but lacks many of the other vits and mins that meat has. Fish is very good for you. The omega oils are good for maintaining a healthy brain. There are millions of site on the internet Baki that will tell you all of this info. Just have a look for yourself.
10-24-2007, 05:05 PM
Whifflingpin

"I couldn't stop drinking milk but....."

If we all stopped drinking milk (and eating meat) then the female calves would all be slaughtered too, and farmers would simply grow crops.

Likewise, eating eggs (and chicken) does not deprive chickens of life, it ensures that there are chickens.
10-24-2007, 06:02 PM
Stanislaw

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

Well, kind-of perfect health. I'm a bit forgetful. If only chocolate was nutritious.

Oh Jesus. I've just read that article. What could we do? I hate veal but I drink lots of milk daily, if I didn't I would probably be thirsty all the time since I don't drink that much water.

But this is murder and it's inhumane. I couldn't stop drinking milk but.....

I have to think about this.

If chocolate was nutritious...I'd be superman :D

re: milk - there is soy milk I suppose...but I don't know if that is the same

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Originally Posted by Whifflingpin

"I couldn't stop drinking milk but....."

If we all stopped drinking milk (and eating meat) then the female calves would all be slaughtered too, and farmers would simply grow crops.

Likewise, eating eggs (and chicken) does not deprive chickens of life, it ensures that there are chickens.

heh, an interesting, but more than likely true statement :D
10-24-2007, 06:17 PM
papayahed

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

re: milk - there is soy milk I suppose...but I don't know if that is the same

The soy milk is fairly good, but I've never checked to see how it stacks up nutritionally.
10-24-2007, 06:21 PM
Stanislaw

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Originally Posted by papayahed

The soy milk is fairly good, but I've never checked to see how it stacks up nutritionally.

It seems sweeter tasting to me, but I really have no idea how it compares...
10-25-2007, 07:23 AM
Niamh

I use to drink soya milk. I had to get the sweetened stuff because the regular stuff wasnt as nice.
10-25-2007, 06:23 PM
BulletproofDork

Ewwwwww. :sick: I hate soy milk. :sick: :sick:

Anyway.

I'm a vegetarain too, but I do eat eggs. They aren't high on my list of favorite foods, but I do eat them (occasionly) for protein.
Have you tried tofu? Most people don't like it, but if it's flavored, it's actually pretty good.
10-25-2007, 06:31 PM
Stanislaw

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Originally Posted by BulletproofDork

Ewwwwww. :sick: I hate soy milk. :sick: :sick:

Anyway.

I'm a vegetarain too, but I do eat eggs. They aren't high on my list of favorite foods, but I do eat them (occasionly) for protein.
Have you tried tofu? Most people don't like it, but if it's flavored, it's actually pretty good.

Tofu can be awesome in Hot-Pot
10-25-2007, 06:37 PM
Niamh

i had a tofu and mango desert once. it was lovely!

Welcome back Stan!
10-25-2007, 07:06 PM
the silent x

i don't understand why you think it is inhuman how the cows are slaughtered. if you mean by the large corporations, then i understand completely, but if your talking about real cow, then i would say your wrong. some farms will butcher cows, for a price.

what i mean is, they will be raised on the farm, not given any hormones, no antibiotics, no nothing, they will be fed on what grass they eat and not be touched by human hands until they are slaughtered. my family gets that kind of meat and it is absolutely hands down the best meat i have had.

if your talking about corporations, then i think that is disgusting. given hormones and forced to eat night and day, then given to a slaughter house where you might be getting a little more than just the cow (cannibals).

but i am no vegetarian and i don't think i could be one.
10-25-2007, 07:28 PM
Stanislaw

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Originally Posted by Niamh

i had a tofu and mango desert once. it was lovely!

Welcome back Stan!

Thanks! :)

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Originally Posted by the silent x

i don't understand why you think it is inhuman how the cows are slaughtered. if you mean by the large corporations, then i understand completely, but if your talking about real cow, then i would say your wrong. some farms will butcher cows, for a price.

what i mean is, they will be raised on the farm, not given any hormones, no antibiotics, no nothing, they will be fed on what grass they eat and not be touched by human hands until they are slaughtered. my family gets that kind of meat and it is absolutely hands down the best meat i have had.

if your talking about corporations, then i think that is disgusting. given hormones and forced to eat night and day, then given to a slaughter house where you might be getting a little more than just the cow (cannibals).

but i am no vegetarian and i don't think i could be one.

I agree, I'm not a vegitarian myself, but I buy 1 buffalo a year from a a small farm - farmer who treats his animals quite naturally...and buffalo meat is 100 times better then cow meat!
10-26-2007, 09:03 AM
bazarov

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

I know this is going to sound really stupid/or shallow

but since I'm a vegetarian my mother has been making lots of eggs lately, instead of meat.

But eggs are animal products, so isn't me eating then actually animal murder?

Should I actually eat eggs? Or am I going against my beliefs every time I have a piece of cake?

Help!

There are two kind of you with strange perception on food::lol:
1. vegetarians - people who don't it meat
2. vegans - people who don't eat any animal product-meat, eggs, milk, cheese, etc.

Avoiding eggs won't hurt your vegetarian reputation.

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