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08-15-2007, 08:16 PM
hedbanger

OH NO! Not Global warming! D:
08-16-2007, 01:04 AM
jon1jt

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Great post Kilt. You present a rational understanding, and frankly now you're the only person around here I'm willing to listen to on this issue. Let me highlight two things you said:

That has been my point entirely! It's hard to explain that to people who are not technically minded.

As you can see the by all the apocalyptic-end-of-the worlders, chicken littles, the scaremongering has worked. People think the world is going to end in ten years. (For example that Al Gore movie predicted oceans would rise 20-25 feet and the very scientist who are pushing for gloabal warming admit that they are predicting a rise of only 17 inches. I didn't convert that to metric for people, but 25 feet is the second floor of a house and 17 inches is below your knee. That is scaremongering!!) There are things we can do to make the environment better, make energy have less of an environemntal impact (solar and nuclear are things I favor), yes develop the technologies you mentioned, both through gov't and private means. Of course this provides technical people like us more jobs, but hey I'm not asking for it. In my heart of hearts, I still feel that global warming is not mostly (there may be a small component that is) human caused. My hunch is that we're in a natural cycle of warming.

oh, you must be talking about the architects of the Iraq invasion: Colino Powell; Paulie Wolfyowitz; Dickie Cheney; Donnie Rumsfield; Connie Rice; and that other idiot.
08-16-2007, 01:57 AM
rabid reader

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

oh, you must be talking about the architects of the Iraq invasion: Colino Powell; Paulie Wolfyowitz; Dickie Cheney; Donnie Rumsfield; Connie Rice; and that other idiot.

Wolfe Blitzer?
08-16-2007, 05:48 AM
Logos

1 "no current politics" warning only ;)
08-16-2007, 01:03 PM
kilted exile

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Great post Kilt.

Yeah, every couple of years or so I get lucky and a subject I actually have any knowledge of comes up.

I think the main thing about global warming however is to forget the nonsense arguments about the extent to which humans impact it, and go about solving it.
08-16-2007, 08:09 PM
Virgil

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Originally Posted by jon1jt

oh, you must be talking about the architects of the Iraq invasion: Colino Powell; Paulie Wolfyowitz; Dickie Cheney; Donnie Rumsfield; Connie Rice; and that other idiot.

Once you disintegrate into this Jon, what is there left to say? I'm talking about global warming and all the hyperbole around it. At a minimum it's greatly exaggerated; probably it's no problem at all.
08-17-2007, 01:05 AM
applepie

Thanks for the thread Virgil. I've enjoyed reading the whole thing:) My biggest argument against global warming is the lack of scientific proof. Sure we can say that the Earth is warming, not much, but it is getting warmer. To me, the problem lies in what can be termed a "normal" warming and cooling of our own planet. If you call the last ice age the normal temperature of the planet, then run quick because we are all getting ready to die. The basic fact is that while we can guess what weather and temperatures were like in previous history, we as humans haven't been here that long. We can't say for certain what the true temperatures were like during the Triassic period or anything before our time. We only have accurate data for the last hundred years or so. The Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years, if scientists have that correct. The last couple of centuries do not provide enough data to really say if the warming we are experiencing now is normal or an abnormality brought on by our burning of fossil fuels.
08-17-2007, 06:43 PM
Koa

Warming warming...all I know is that the UK is having the coldest and wettest summer in ages... I mean I wasn't here before but I'm told this is not normal... It has rained costantly for all of July, I haven't seen the sun for THREE weeks straight in June, and I dragged a suitcase of summer clothes from Italy to NEVER use them because it's too cold! The hottest day we had was 25 (celsius) and that was ONE day... that's a May temperature for me... now I can't say I haven't had a chance to wear that cute jacket I bought... but it feels so weird that my DNA feels homesick sometimes...
08-17-2007, 08:26 PM
Virgil

Ah that beautiful Italian sunshine. You can't beat it.
08-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Koa

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Ah that beautiful Italian sunshine. You can't beat it.

No you can't...IT beats you! :lol:
Seriously, I'm used to sun being PAINFUL on you, here the extremely rare times it's sunny it's just so weak...
I used to hate Italian summers... but this is just no summer at all.
08-18-2007, 11:05 PM
jon1jt

[QUOTE=Virgil;428862]Great post Kilt. You present a rational understanding, and frankly now you're the only person around here I'm willing to listen to on this issue.QUOTE]

rational?? :lol: you mean you're not going to just listen to yourself on this subject?? :D
08-18-2007, 11:08 PM
jon1jt

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Originally Posted by Logos

1 "no current politics" warning only ;)

oops! sorry logos, but, but...virge got me started! :D
09-04-2007, 12:22 AM
Shalot

I am watching Bill Maher on HBO (he's a liberal celebrity/comedian in case anyone didn't know - or at least he seems liberal to me) and he has Ingrid Newkirk who president of PETA, on right now. I just tuned in and she is saying that all the global warming is caused by the methane produced by cows. I just thought that was funny and thought I would share it with LitNet.
09-04-2007, 12:33 AM
higley

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Originally Posted by Shalot

I just tuned in and she is saying that all the global warming is caused by the methane produced by cows. I just thought that was funny and thought I would share it with LitNet.

Wasn't that a Saturday Night Live skit? They had one like that, it was hilarious. :p
09-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Shalot

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Originally Posted by higley

Wasn't that a Saturday Night Live skit? They had one like that, it was hilarious. :p

Probably. Global warming is not a new concept and they were joking about cow farts when I was in the third grade. it seems like all of a sudden, there are a lot of people who are talking about Global Warming in the media again.

Like I said, I am very confused about it. I have been hearing about Global Warming forever and there have always been people saying that they don't believe the scientists who have concluded that we are contributing/causing it with our energy-hungry lifestyles. And then there are scientists who don't agree and the reports that big business/oil industry executives are behind the debunking of Global Warming :crash:

And then there is this thread. :crash: :crash:

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