what do the old testment and new testment talk about?

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01-07-2010, 06:17 PM
ProsJustGo

This might interest you, in the original hebrew text, it says MY image, not OUR image. The chatholic church changed it. And i assume that God didn't whisper in their ear to change it, they changed it to fit their beliefs. Also why would a omnipotent god need for his word to be changed if he is omnipresent?
01-30-2010, 03:29 AM
aquarium444

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Originally Posted by kiki1982

The OT is the history of the Jewish people. It contains their story of creation (which is also the Christian idea) and then the stories of the Earthfathers (is that right in English?) Abraham, Jacob etc. It also contains the laws starting with the Ten Commandments given to Moses straight from God/Jahweh. The laws are further detailed in Leviticus (?). Then there are the books of Chronicles and Kings (one and two) further about the history of the Jews. There are prophets too that foretell the comming of the Messiah. Essentially, in various forms, the OT is the veritable history of the Jewish people. Or a least an early work of that.

The NT is about Jesus and what happened after (The Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of Paul to various early Christian groups around Europe and the East) and Revelation which is a vision of the End (Last the Judgment) by a man called John. Whether this John is the Evangelist, the apostle or another is not sure.

Essentially, the NT 'proves' what the OT foretold, if you want to believe that. The Jews do not believe it (they are still waiting for the Mesiah), nor do the Muslims who put Jesus with the profets (they believe that Mohammed gave them the true religion. He is not really the Messiah, if I am not mistaken, but he gave the word of God to the people. The Koran was writte by him dictated by Allah, although Mohammed could not write). I am not sure what the Jews have done with Jesus...

The fact that Jesus would be God's son is often put into the Gospel. It is no problem to find it. Just look it up on the internet, and you'll find tons of sites that occupy themselves with that. The Trinity is a more complicated matter that was not really invented, but rather thought out by the Church/Theologians to explain certain verses together.

If Jesus is God's son and occasionally He (Jesus) is called 'God' himself, how is that to be explained? Also the Holy Ghost, same problem. So, they attempted to explain that problem by having a 'three-unity': God-Son-Holy Ghost are apart, yet one.
On wikipedia is an entry about it (referenced). There are also numerous sites who attempt to 'prove' the Trinity to Jehova's Witnesses who do not believe in the Trinity. Nothing against them. Though there are Evangelical Christians who occupy themselves with this trivial matter. They provide combinations of verses you are looking for in connectin with the Trinity. It is nowhere mentioned explicitly that there is such a Trinity, but it is the only logical explanation.

The church could have been drumming up business by going into the trinity material because everyone had to go to them for interpretations and pay taxes. Well what better solution than to make it even more confusing than it already is. Nobody believed anything because of this sort of talk, but if you simply read the Bible and be done with it, than that kind of faith answers everything.
02-01-2010, 12:12 PM
kknapp9

Jesus

the old testament is about Gods laws before Jesus came and the new testament is about the life of Jesus and the end times
08-15-2010, 06:05 PM
Sebas. Melmoth

What is the Bible (OT and NT) about?

Short answer: Messiah.

It's all about Him: origins, peoples, nations, locations, manifestations, ministry, followers, and future things.

Some are arguing that we are at the chronological point just before the 'future things'.
08-17-2010, 02:12 PM
The Atheist

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Originally Posted by Sebas. Melmoth

Some are arguing that we are at the chronological point just before the 'future things'.

Not exactly new.

Christians have been saying that for 1900 years, although to give them fair due, when you believe in an afterlife lasting infinite trillions of years, even 2000 years is pretty much "just before".

Predictions of the apocalypse are a tad boring these days. Even the Mayans' 2012 never really caught on outside of mental health wards.
08-19-2010, 06:20 PM
romeyblack

The OT concerns the worship and holy days of GOD. The NT is the fullfillment of the OT through Jesus Christ. GOD is a Jealous He makes it perfectly clear in the first 4 commandments and uses the OT to lay out the laws and statutes HE requires of us to enter into his Holy presence. Jesus is the perfect fullfillment of want GOD requires of us. So through Jesus we recieve grace by HIS Blood. There are many more meanings and wisdom that is imparted through the holy scriptures, it is for GOD to reveal it to you as you become more familar with HIS Word!
08-20-2010, 10:01 AM
Sebas. Melmoth

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Not exactly new. Christians have been saying that for 1900 years, although to give them fair due, when you believe in an afterlife lasting infinite trillions of years, even 2000 years is pretty much "just before". Predictions of the apocalypse are a tad boring these days.

Yeah, a couple 'o thoughts:

Firstly, eternity is not a state with vast amounts of time: it is a state without time.
So, according to Scripture, when we move beyond the eschatological future described in biblical prophecy, there is a move unto an eternal state sans time.

Secondly, yes, it's interesting that in the history of historiography for centuries the apolyptic scenario was always in view--until the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightment elevated human politics, continuing through the postmodern age of Fukuyama's 'end of history'.

Now, however, with peak oil and the tipping point of climate change, people are again looking for answers.

It is interesting that now there are more people on the planet than have ever been at one time.

But the real eschatological tipping point was the reëstablishment of the nation Israel (1948) and the Jews' recapture of Jerusalem (1968): with those events Scriptural prophecy is poised to move forward to fulfillment.
08-20-2010, 02:00 PM
The Atheist

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Yeah, a couple 'o thoughts:

Firstly, eternity is not a state with vast amounts of time: it is a state without time.

That just makes it an oxymoron. Without time, there is no existence.

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Secondly, yes, it's interesting that in the history of historiography for centuries the apolyptic scenario was always in view--until the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightment elevated human politics, continuing through the postmodern age of Fukuyama's 'end of history'.

No.

Predictions of the apocalypse have never slowed. There are some churches that don't preach it so much any more, but there's still plenty to go around.

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Now, however, with peak oil and the tipping point of climate change, people are again looking for answers.

I'll take your word for it. Compared to the Cold War, I don't think there's anywhere near as much fear around, but that's just my anecdotal data.

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It is interesting that now there are more people on the planet than have ever been at one time.

Yes, there would be, wouldn't there?

Without modern agriculture and science, the earth wouldn't support anywhere near 7 billion people. Given that populations of all organisms grow until they reach an equilibrium with their environment, there's no trick to the population now being the highest it's ever been.

You could say the same for the past couple of thousand years. Aside from a couple of famous blips, the population has been growing the entire time.

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Originally Posted by Sebas. Melmoth

But the real eschatological tipping point was the reëstablishment of the nation Israel (1948) and the Jews' recapture of Jerusalem (1968): with those events Scriptural prophecy is poised to move forward to fulfillment.

Funny you should mention that, because I was having a chuckle this morning at a headline which mentioned "Middle East Peace Talks", because that's one the other indicators isn't it?

I used to have an employee who filled me in on it all - I'm having my microchip implant next week.
08-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Sebas. Melmoth

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"Middle East Peace Talks" that's one the other indicators isn't it?

Well, time will tell.

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