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If you ask me then my answer is yes. I do believe in fate. I wish I don't but things around me or things that I've experienced made me to. I could perhaps made a very long "things to do list" in my life, which I arrange so perfectly. But suppose there's a crazy lad shot me on the head tomorrow...?!
I never believed that man is really free
One of the eternal questions. Personally, I believe that both of the options you mentioned are true. Destiny is indeed set upon us: eventually, we'll all grow old and die. Death is our destiny and we can't do anything to change it. However, we can make some important decisions along the way. Of course, this degree of liberty is limited, but all things in the universe are. The choices we make in life will surely determine the way in which your destiny unfolds. You can die alone, sorrounded by a wife, kids and all that things, leave some sort of legacy or not, having enjoyed the ride, etc. One way or another, nothing can take that away from you.Quote:
Originally posted by Lara
Is our fate predetermined or do the choices we make choose our fate? If fate is predetermined then what is the point in sweating over those difficult life choices?
LOL. I've had that fantasy before, but believe me, you DO get tired of it at the end. The fantasy lies in that you believe that you won't.Quote:
Originally posted by star blue
I don't know. I don't feel free. perhaps I'm not in control of my own life? if I was, I'd either be playing video games or f-ucking, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, never growing tired . . . but unfortunately that's just a daydream and a waste of time.
It doesn't really matter. Why waste time thinking about it? I would rather be thinking, of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
Fate is just the way I write off the bad things that happen in my life. Choice is the way I write off the good things. Guilt-free life. Not half bad. Fate? I don't think so. Even if there is something else in control of my life, if I really believed that, I'd feel inclined to klll myself. It's the illusion of freedom I live for, the little moments when I actually feel free. The fantasy and determination that pumps through my veins. If your life is predetermined, then what's the point of doing anything? Face it; you can never find the answer to this question-it lies in paradoxes and philosophy, and you just can't get it. So you might as well believe you control you're life, so you actually do something with it.
don't think; ask mr. owl.
I would like to clarify that there is a quote in Crisaor's post above, the second quote, is not mine, but that of someone else.
Lara
Ooops. Sorry, Lara, I apologise.:)
It's corrected now.
No problem Crisaor.
Thanks for the correction.
Take Care,
Lara
I believe in fate. God is all knowing so he knows what choices we are making and I believe that he can shape them to a certain extent, I thought once that I would take my life, but haven't, and I atribute that to some one else Driving the car of life, I am merely a passenger, Someone watching a film for the first time, not knowing whats going to happen next but knowing that I have no personall controll over it. Everything happens for a reason, even if we don't understand this reason yet.
I mat sound like a wakko, but that is how I feel.
Fate doesn't have to be a bad thing, it just means that we don't have direct controle over how our life goes, I think that concept frightens people and makes them scoff at the idea because they would rather not believe in a greater power... star person...
what is it exactly that you're disagreeing with me on, stanislaw? I don't believe in god, on the one hand, but on the other, I don't believe in free will. it seems like we share some common ground, at least.
i tend to lean towards fayefaye. might i compliment you on your way of thinking. should we deside to believe in God, or the Son of God, or any type of God for that matter, or should we deside to believe in the way of science, in that we are all of bio-carbon base beings that were developed through the massive explosion of the universe 8 billion years ago in which balls of helium and hydrogen cooled off enough to create a rock which is located in a perfected location, not to close or to far from the sun, to generate life in which we are able to comprehend at this time, is something i am sure we ask ourselves a few times in our life. being that i love to read, i have gone through the bible a few times, and i am not going to challenge anyone on what they should believe or what they shouldn't. but, for those who do have a faith, and believe in the Holy Trinity, i am to wonder, regaurdless of God knowing everything, if he plans our life out for us, are we not puppets? if we are puppets, what is the reason to our being. if we are not puppets, then why are we here? is it to be tested? if so what for?
sounds like you've already excluded protestants, psyco . . .
blue star, i love to read your thoughts and ideas. to answer your question, i try not to exclude anyone. i like to understand, and to understand, you must ask. if i ever think of a good protestian question, i will look for you.
don't worry about me, psyco, I'm no protestant.
You could say we are puppets, we may not know why we should exsist, but I believe an answer to this will be discovered.
And Star... Sorry if I was being rude, I was in a rather foul mood yesterday, I am sorry.