Jihad

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Originally Posted by bazarov

Idea is taken from who and from where?

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If you mean suicide bombings, then it is simply a military technique: some drop bombs, some send suicide bombers. It is used by groups that are participating in armed struggle. Suicide bombings etc are not only used by muslims.

The word Jihad and holy war come into play when political islam is used to inspire and motivate the muslim masses: it can be done for a good cause or be worthless.:nod:

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Originally Posted by optimisticnad

I’ve found some research by Professor Jamal Badawi, acclaimed both in the eyes of Western and Muslim society, you can research on him if you want, he knows his stuff and writing is often scientific meaning he provides hard authentic evidence for his point.
So according to Prof Jamal Badawi:

Jihad is not holy war. He gives five reasons:

1. This is an English term, used by the Crusaders, it does not originate in the religion Islam and what is happening is what psychologists call projection.

2. No where in the Qur’an will you find the Arabic equivalent of holy war. Holy war in Arabic does not translate as Jihad, this is a common misconception especially amongst non-Muslims. Nor will you find the Arabic equivalent of Holy War in the saying of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, his saying are called hadith.

3. Oxymoron: there is nothing ‘holy’ about destruction, death, blood, rape and killing of innocent women and children.

4. By definition ‘Holy War’ means one religion against another religion. In the religion Islam and nowhere in the Qur’an is there any mention that it is permissible for Muslims to fight with people of a different faith solely for that reason. Rather it should be because they are being oppressed or civil liberties eroded etc. etc. Muslims are not allowed to do to a non-Muslim what they can’t do to a Muslim, those who do so are not Muslims and have nothing to do with Islam.

5. And finally the term ‘Holy War’ has some glamour and appeal about it. But nowhere in the Qur’an is there glamorization of War. In the Qur’an chapter 2 verse 216 it says: ‘Fighting has been prescribed but it is hated’. Like divorce, which is permissible in Islam, but it is disliked. So similarly war should be the last option.



Jihad has nothing to do with terrorism and it is uneducated journalists who seem to be doing anything but their job: provide accurate and honest reports of the affairs of the world. Terrorism means any act that deliberately victimizes an innocent whether individual, state etc. etc. If it Islam than it has nothing to do with terrorism, and if it is terrorism than it has nothing to do with Islam even if they claim ‘in the name of God’. God has not told them to blow up and kill innocent victims for their religion.


So what is Jihad? It is to strive in something, exert maximum pressure to achieve something. In Islam there is such a thing as individual jihad, so if jihad means ‘war’ and something negative how can an individual do jihad? In Islam there is such a thing as jihad with the Qur’an, which is the holy book of Muslims, so how can you do jihad if it means something violent and death with the holy book of their religion? There are many kinds of Jihad and the two mentioned here have no relation with the battlefield therefore when talking about jihad the problem is distinguishing between which one is being discussed, for example, whenever I hear the word jihad mentioned on T.V it is always in relation to war and they even have the never to call it ‘holy war’ but this a) isn’t the meaning of Jihad b) there are many types of Jihad. I am slowly beginning to understand why my Muslim friends become outraged and angry-you have a few minority exploiting and killing in the name of their religion-totally wrong and condemned in Islam as it would be in any religion, and then you have the people outside totally taking things out of context, rephrasing and distorting information for their own individual gains.

I think with any religion you need to go back to the original and authentic sources to judge the religion because unfortunately, with every religion especially those referred to as the religion of book, the revealed religions-that of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad,-unfortunately the participators of these religions only follow a half baked religion and themselves distort and destroy the beauty with in their religion giving the rest of the world a negative view.

I just want to clarify one last thing, Sunni and Shia Muslims are not fighting because they have different views of the same thing, or that there is some variation, rather they are fighting because one side feels oppressed by the other, one side is trying to claim the land of another, one side has joined the ‘enemies’, those oppressing and killing innocent people and children-this is why they are in war, not because ‘I pray standing up and you pray sitting down’ meaning small differences in their religion.

Hope this helps and I’ve re-read what I’ve wrote to make sure I haven’t offended anyone/groups/religions. If I have…not my intention.

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Thanks, this helps a lot. But I still have some questions? Who told them to make bombing suicide? Did they 'Imam' ( it would sound like that in my language) told them that?

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Originally Posted by Bita

If you mean suicide bombings, then it is simply a military technique: some drop bombs, some send suicide bombers. It is used by groups that are participating in armed struggle. Suicide bombings etc are not only used by muslims.

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I can't think of anyone else who uses suicide bombers. Could you name any?

Yes go and see Tamil in far east and how they suicide in order to get thier indipendence, Japanese used this teqnique in 2nd world war, and i think from there came the word Kamikaze (the one who drop him self with airplane into the enemy), in vietnam vitkong used this teqnique, they were putting bombs and drop thier selves between US soldiers.

Look bazarov i dont know if you are going to ask what these bombers eat on breakfast, and i dont know where you want to arrive with these q, but i think you got what you need about Jihad in islam, and you got a clear image about what is written in Holy Quran. Imam or not Imam who told them to do what they are doing is not the matter, the matter is if these persons follow the holy Quran and not.
And if you read Holy Quran and sayings of prophet pbuh you will find nothing about things you see today, but if you read bible you will find the first suicide person in history, do you know who is he? for sure you know the person who got his force in his hair, we call him Shamshoom, this man destroyed a building that was carrying i think 4000 persons and he made this building fall while he was also under it, 4000 civils, no suicide person could kill such people at once, only the jews believer did and he is considered a good person. Virgil here an example, did it come in you mind now? Suicide between civils is something you believe in.
I dont mention this story to bother you, but when i see these q you ask after other users gave explinations, make me think that you want to arrive to another thing, so i gave you an example from your own belief and perhaps you can think about it.

The Tamils are muslim, are they not?

Off topic : what does pbuh mean?

Hello,

pbuh is an abbreviation for peace be upon him. It is said after one mentions any of the Prophets.

Thanks bro.

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Originally Posted by Shield&Sword

Yes go and see Tamil in far east and how they suicide in order to get thier indipendence, Japanese used this teqnique in 2nd world war, and i think from there came the word Kamikaze (the one who drop him self with airplane into the enemy), in vietnam vitkong used this teqnique, they were putting bombs and drop thier selves between US soldiers.

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I was thinking about today. Is there anyone today other than Islamic terrorists who are blowing themselves up to kill others?

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Originally Posted by Virgil

I was thinking about today. Is there anyone today other than Islamic terrorists who are blowing themselves up to kill others?

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I can't think any..

But...I might be wrong...So, if anyone has the answer....

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Originally Posted by Virgil

I was thinking about today. Is there anyone today other than Islamic terrorists who are blowing themselves up to kill others?

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Yes, it is actually the LTTE militants who use suicide bombers. They are an organisation that operates in Sri Lanka. And one of our Prime Ministers, Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a female LTTE suicide bomber.

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Rajiv Gandhi's last public meeting was at Tiruttani. Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated in Sriperumbudur on May 21, 1991, a city close to Chennai, whilst campaigning for a UCPI candidate in Tamil Nadu. The assassination was carried out by the suicide bomber Thenmuli Rajaratnam (aka "Dhanu"). Dhanu was widely believed to have been a LTTE member, meaning that the act was carried out with the acknowledgement of the LTTE leadership. In 2006, this was implicitly confirmed by the LTTE when the top negotiator for the group, Anton Balasingham, told the private Indian channel NDTV that the killing was a "great tragedy, a monumental historical tragedy for which we deeply regret".[1][2]

In 1998 an Indian court convicted 26 people in the conspiracy to assassinate Gandhi. The conspirators, who consisted of Tamil Tigers from Sri Lanka and their Indian allies, had sought to stop Gandhi from getting elected in the then upcoming elections. They wanted to stop him from sending Indian troops into Sri Lanka as he had done in 1987 (where he was assaulted by a Sinhalese nationalist sailor, Wijayamuni Wijitha Rohana, while inspecting a guard of honour) to help enforce a peace accord.

Those troops ended up fighting the Tamil separatist guerrillas. His death brought the ailing Congress Party back into power in the 1991 general election on a similar wave of feeling as had followed his mother's assassination. He was awarded the Bharat Ratna posthumously in 1991. A magnificent memorial, christened Veer Bhumi was constructed at his cremation spot.

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Suicide Bombers of LTTE

Suicide Attacks

Tamils are not necessarily Muslims.

Note: not to make this topic a political one, but just a reply that there are other groups also that follow the method of suicide bombers. Islamic terrorists maybe known more coz of their scale of operation, but they are not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Shield&Sword

Look bazarov i dont know if you are going to ask what these bombers eat on breakfast, and i dont know where you want to arrive with these q, but i think you got what you need about Jihad in islam, and you got a clear image about what is written in Holy Quran. Imam or not Imam who told them to do what they are doing is not the matter, the matter is if these persons follow the holy Quran and not.

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I really don't care are they eating chicken or corn flakes, I'm just asking who told them to do the bombing. I'm not accusing anybody, I'm just asking. Samson happened 3000 years ago, and if you really believe that one man could remove those piers, OK, because I don't, my ratio is in this case above my religion.

Bazarov,

You were given answers based on the Qur'an and the hadith about the islamic view on jihad. Everything else would just turn into a political discussion, and this forum doesn't tolerate those. We do not have an islamic country today in the world, and because of that, we do not have a khalifa (leader) who would have the power to give out orders that would be valid for the whole muslim world. Because of that, people follow their own ideologies, and many find ways to justify their objectives in ways that suits them best. As I said, suicide bombing has never been known in Islamic history until recently. Suicide itself is a grave sin, because only God can take a human life, and to kill yourself is a sign of disbelief.

This is becoming too political thread, and although I haven't found out what really interested me, I asking you to stop right now. Thank you for your time and opinions. Bazarov:(

Tamil are not muslims.
I gave you samson as a leaders of suicide because you said you are a catholic, and i know that catholic believe in old test. I dont care if you believe this story or not, enough that it exist then (it couldbe a story of teaching, not neccessary to be existed in reality) such way of killing is OK at least for people who follow this book, samson was a believer a jews believer. And how you say it was 3000 years ago, then why you ask what written in holy Quran 1400 years ago.
So virgil, its not islamic terrorism, i think these who suicide read the story of samson, when you say islamic then it must be a phrase from Holy Quran and Hadeeths of prophet that people follow, if there is not then its not islamic even if muslims are doing it, exactly as when europian killed thousands in Latin America, and in Indians, africans, all was in name of Christianity, can we relaite it to christianity, yes we can but only if such teachings of killing exist in christianity. In our islamic case, killing 10 person by suicide does not exist in islamic teachings, killing old men and women and children, then we cant relaite it to islam, does such thing exist in Judhaism and Chrisitianity?, yes it does, read story of the good man samson. Try to be fair.

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Originally Posted by Shield&Sword

Tamil are not muslims.

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Yes, they can be of any religion. Being a Tamil means a person inhabiting the Tamil lands, which is in South India and Northern region of Sri Lanka. It is like saying I am an Indian, coz I belong to this country and since India has so many religions so I can belong to any religion. In short, Tamils can be Hindus, Christians or Muslims.

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