Peter again, well done!Quote:
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Peter again, well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandini
Is that where the expression "Oh for pete's sake" comes from?
I've breifly studied this in Confirmation this year. (I was confirmed Sunday) Just say the word Green Lady, and I will go searching for my resources/Scriptures. Thank you for your compliment Gozetta. BTW, you look so much like Virgil, or is it Virgil who looks like you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gozeta
These replies are pretty interesting. Notice how they all have the underlining of one story with only a slight change in certain areas that make them so different from each other? Well, most of the replies anyways. The Santa and Peter comments weren't really what I was looking for... I want to ask if anyone's beliefs have evidence of Satan before Adam or even the creation of the earth. I read someones entry that said that Satan fell before Adam was put on earth. My religion believes this and I believe someone mentioned a 1/3 of the angels which is something my religion believes too. I also believe that Lucifer was one of God's highest angels or children if you could look at it that way. His name means Shining One or Lightbearer, or also Son of the Morning which suggests that he was highly esteemed before he turned wicked. There is other religious text in my religion that go into more detail of his fall if anyone is interested.
I heard it was 68%
If you give me a reference that says that, I'll open my mind to it.
hheeeesss mmmmeeeeeee mmmmwwwhhhaaaaaaaaaaa
Thats the difference between Islam and Christianity, In islam we believe that Demons are not angels, they were created before Adam pbuh and they were living on earth, and they have the coice to choose between God and good behaiving or bad behaiving. Satan was Good Demon and angles took him with them,they were going to fight the bad Demons on earth who where doing bad things, and Satan was fighting with them against bad Demons, when ALLAH ordered angels to bow down to Adam pbuh he refused ( he wasnt angle but was in close position to them, not like other Demons who were living on earth) and the rest of the story is mentioned in my first post. In islam we dont believe that angles behaived bad ( they are pure servants of Allah), and we dont believe Satan is and angel, and we dont believe that Satan wanted to take place of God (strange a little bit, because being God is not something given and taken by someone, God is God its fact, he created all things and he is the almighty, he is not God because he sit on thrown, and that Satan was gelous from God and wanted to take his thrown (dont think Satan is stupid to think such way, even the one who think such way must be without mind or minimom degree of wisdom: Perhaps we hear people who doesnt believe in God talk in such way, saying jokes, but the one who believe in God and even was close to him and know he exist cants think to throw him out, will be impossible to think in such way)) and that he will be the ruler of universe.
These are the main differences.
The common thing is that he try to distract Humans from the right way in order to make them enter hell with him because of his hate to them, and who follow him will be with him and it doesnt hurt God, God love us and showed us the right way and he love to humans following his way (for a wisdom he created us,we dont ask him about what he do and he ask us about what we do),the one who refuse God, God aso will refuse him, and it wont change anything for God, he will remain ALLAH, and nothing hurt him or increase or reduce anything from Him. Subhanahu oa ta'ala 'amma ioshrikoon, oa ta'ala ALLAH 'amma iasefoon 'olooan kabeera.
well thats a little confusing to me. I thought Muhammed taught that Muslims too should believe what is written in the Gospels and in the Torah(old testament). If this is so, why does the Bible say Satan was an Angel and then the Koran says that they were something else? It would seem strange for someone to change such an insignificant event if you believe the doctrine is corrupt which I believe you can look into and see that it has not. Just a simple question as to that it relates to the question of the thread.
I believe that the name "Satan" actually comes from a tribal war-god of some people that the Jews conquered. The same goes for Baal and several other names for 'demons' and 'false gods'.
Unfortunately, I can't remember where I read this - but I will try and find some corroboration for it if I can.
Rufioag-you have just caught an important contradiction in the Koran. They say they agree with the teachings of the Bible, and yet, they teach things that contradict the Scriptures.
Sheild&Sword- will you please try to be a little more clear with your grammer and spelling?
Green Lady- you seem to be very interested in these issues over religion. That is good. May you find the truth. For, as it is written in the Bible-
Isaiah 14:12-15
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.
Fall of the Morning Star
A name used of Satan-Lucifer, or morning star- comes from these verses. The word Lucifer refers to Venus, one of the brightest objects in the sky. Yet, when the sun rises, the light of even the brightest morning star is totally eclipsed.
In context, Isaiah was describing the cruelly oppressive king of Babylon, who swelled with pride, but would be brought to defeat. However, Isaiah is hinting at a force behind the human king: Satan himself. Isaiah's metaphor of the faded morning star aptly describes the eclipse of the haughty king of Babylon-and of Satan.
Psalm 8:4-5
What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him? You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings, and crowned him with glory and honor.
Hebrews 1:13-14
To which of the angels did God ever say, " Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for you feet"? Are not angels ministering spririts sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Hebrews chapter 1 tells about how the Son is superior to the angels. The quotation above is from Psalm 110:25-27. God said this to the Son. Please note that inheriting salvation means those who have accepted God's gift of Salvation, which they will receive at the end of this earth.
Muhammed pbuh said to believe what is written in Gospels and Torah???????!!!!!!!
Allah t ordered us, not Muhammed pbuh. And He ordered us to believe in the real Turah that Moses pbuh had not what we have today, same for vangeles of Jesus pbuh, not the vangele according Mathew or Jonh or Mark or Luke, but that of Jesus pbuh.
And we have nowadays the Holy Quran that it carry the massege that all prophets had before, and what it says we believe in it and if it contraddict with what Turah or new test of today says it doesnt matter, because we believe it doesnt contraddict witht the real Turah that Moses pbuh had and the True vangel that Jesus pbuh. I think that things now are more clear.
About satan, really i didnt read about it yet according christianity view. If it was changed then there must be something significant. God doesnt mention insignificant things in his books (we believe this thing about Holy Quran, and every letter was for purpose and every story has its meaning).
But respond this question please. Is Satan that stupid that he wanted to take place of god? can any creature that believe in God, and in Satan case he was wise and was close to God and knew god alot (knew His almighty, and that he is only a normal creature),feel gelous and think of taking the thrown of god and then he make his move? must be without brain no?
Learn english??!! perhaps my english language is not so good. And sometimes when i write things i leave the subject and then retun to continue and things get mixed. English is my 4th language. I talked before to others through posts much bigger than what i wrote here and all understood what i wrote, and they didnt find difficulty in understanding me (they contained mistakes), no one said go and learn english, i dont know why you only found difficulty? dont worry will try to improve it.
Any way:
Contraddiction in Holy Quran?????!!!!! Rufioag, where i said that muslims believe in nowadays bible. we talked before and told you in which Turah and vangel we believe. I said it so clear WE BELIEVE IN TURAH THAT MOSES PBUH HAD; AND VANGELES OF JESUS PBUH. Beside i said we believe that we believe Jesus pbuh had his book from God, so and Moses but not what we have nowadays, and we have the Holy Quran which was the same idea that was in real Turah of Musespbuh and real vangel of Jesus pbuh so we dont beleive in NIV NLT CEV KJV, or any other invented bible. For example we cant believe that there are 4 fathers of Jesus are a seed of adultery, and one of them is incest adultery ( we believe Jesus pbuh and all prophets are from pure fathers and mothers from a marraige begining from Adam pbuh untle the prophet). And cant believe God: sleep, cry, make wrestiling with Jacob pbuh, regret, get tired, sad, feel lonely. Or believe Lot pbuh made adultery with his oun doughters (incest), and David pbuh make adultery with wife of chef of his soldiers and then he send him to fight and die and get married with his wife. Or believe that God described genitale of persons ( read Ezekiel 23), or Jesus pbuh is son of God, or he is God, or he was crucified. The opposite of all this is written in Holy Quran ( only sexual language is not found), so not only Satan idea contraddict with what is written, but alot of other things.
So i think Rufioag didnt cought any thing (there is nothing to be cought), i explained to him/her the matter before, perhaps i didnt make things clear, sorry rufioag.
About Satan and his adventure, i asked how he with all his wisdom think of taking God's thrown?
Please discuss the topic, not fellow posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by RJbibliophil
Supposedly Satan was an archangel named Lucifer, who, full of jealousy at Christ being favoured by God, rallied like-minded angels to his cause, and led a revolt against God and his loyalists.
Ultimately, Lucifer and his army were defeated and thrown into the Abyss of Hell.
There, bitter over his defat, Satan continues to sturggle against God by attempting to corrupt the world that God created, for he knows that the corruption of this creation would cause God great anguish.
Will Satan win ?!?! Only YOU can decide, the power is yours!!!
(Blatant Captain Planet Refferance.)