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Also, the discrepencies of the bible can be atributed to man, and his influence over the writing and copying of the texts...
but, God is infact Jesus, and the holy spirit.
Not one pretending to be 3 figures, but 3 figures that infact are completely seperate and unique, yet the same.
The Holy Spirit is the breath of God, God the father, and Jesus, the son of God, made flesh. So, though they are three incarnations, they exist at the same time, and are in fact the same, yet unique.
I once read somewhere that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit could be depicted as the three physical conditions of water: liquid, solid and vapour (respectively). So they are different aspects of one whole.
that is a very good analogy!Quote:
Originally Posted by peasoup
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Originally Posted by Stanislaw
Well, that is nice.But as a sane figure, i think it is good for both of us to talk whenever,wherever,however etc with a good reason. So, can you qoute a single verse where Jesus says We should worship him?
Waiting........again.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by peasoup
But, can you help by saying this very place you made mention.
Bible? which verse.
All those in heaven worship Him -
5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.
5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. (Revelation 5:11-14)
All the angels worship him -
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Hebrews 1:6)
All the disciples worshiped him -
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. (Matthew 14:33)
Wisemen and rules worshipped him -
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. (Matthew 2:2)
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. (Matthew 9:18)
If someone would like to expand more on these verses. My post is simply to show that He was worshipped. Ill also find some verses on the Trinity later on this afternoon but the Bible never expresseses the Trinity as the 3 phases of water, he was merely attempting to use an understandable example to show how the Trinity exists.
I mean, the Triniity is an amazing thing. The Father is not the Son, The Son is now the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. But The Father is God, The Son is God, and The Holy Spirit is God.
Take for an example we live in a 2d world and we have a God who is a cube(This is plausible becuase God is outside of time and space).Now, lets take into account 3 people and God shows himself to the 3. The first person he reveals himself as the corner of the cube(remember, in a 2d, plainar world, u can only few what is in the plain). The 2nd person he reveals a line of the cube, and to the 3rd person, he reveals the square of the cube. Now, though God is still the Cube, he has revealed himself differently to all 3. Therefore a god that exhibits extra dimensions, when described in a lesser dimensional universe would seem to represent more than one entity. Likewise, our God, who must exist and operate in dimensions beyond our understanding, exists as a Trinity (God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit), although He is one God.
No, it wasn't the Bible. It was possibly on some other forum or somewhere else on the internet. I honestly can't remember. But it made a big impression on me, so I remembered it. I think that it describes the complicated concept of the Holy Trinity in a very simple, everyday fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by muhsin
Okay, so I know I'm probably jumping in here but, the God I believe in, (who is by the way the only true god, but let's not get into that), is a trinity. He is one being, revealed in 3 distinct persons. By person, I mean personality. It's like three aspects of the same being. A person can be a mother, a daugther and a wife for example. She is only one creature, but three different aspects of a person. This is hard to explain. If we could understand everything, we would be gods. I'm not trying to excuse this issue though.
Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet. They say they agree with His teachings, but the koran contradicts the Scriptures.
Keep in mind also that Jesus is eternal. He did not suddenly come into being 2,000 years ago when He came to earth.
This is correct. I've learned this analogy too. I agree with it. It's pretty neat to see it demonstrated. Scientifically, ice, water, and water vapor are the same thing, only at different tempetures and levels of molecule motion etc... The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 equal beings who work in different ways. The Father's work was creation. The Son's work was redemption. The Holy Spirit's work is regeneration-applying redemption to the individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by peasoup
Had it been I wasfrom bed and read some of the replies i read, i would have said it's in a dream.
By the way. Not only support what you actually can't say either it's head or tail like this my bros&siss. Bring proof so that all other readers will be convinced. ok?
I think that is how most of the religion are built upon-proof.Includind mine and yours(as you think). SEEK YE THE TRUTH.........As it says by Jesus a.s.
I had something to say but Ive changed my mind :cool:
I read different posts and first i see a user wrote that Jesus and Father and Holy spirit r 3 parts of one God, and then i see another user write( as i understand from him) that they r not separated, i think he mean that Jesus is WHOLE GOD so and Father and Holy Spirit, and that they r not 3 parts. Trinity is THE BASE of christianity, and i think the both of users above r christians, and i ask is Jesus part of God or a COMPLETE God, same q for about Father and Holy Spirit. Its really strange to be different views in such thing- can God be separated, or not? and if Jesus died then the first user say that a part of God died not WHOLE God, and as i understand from the second that God died not part of him.
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mathew 3-16,17. In these verses we see The 3 parts of trinity in different places; Jesus pbuh in water and holy spririt in sky (form of dove), and Father in heaven, in that moment was God on earth or in form of dove or in heavens(if every one of them is God), and if Jesus is part so and Father and Holy Spririt, then in that moment was the complete God for first time in complete infront all? also i would like to ask, if Jesus is God, which sense there is in saying -this is my beloved son, in which i am pleased- and the father was pleased with a part of him, or he was pleased with him self. This sitution we can see it again in Mark 15-34 ''And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'' in this verse we see again conversation between parts of trinity, one of them ask other why did u leave, was he asking him self if he is complete God or he was talking to the other part?
Perhaps the one who say that they r not 3 parts can use the verse in John1 5:7 from king James version "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." but the last part part of the verse (the important part) we cant find it in now adays bible, in new versions, we can find it in King Jamed version, and i would like to get and answer for this question, Why did they cancel it; Who gave them the authorize to cancel; and which is God word, the one with the last part or the one without? as we see the last part is one of bases of christianity.
See u all.
Why so? Have I wronged you?Quote:
Originally Posted by rufioag
Ok, here it is. Ready? Here's the answer...
Jesus IS god insofar as people actually worship him.
People worship Jesus = Jesus is god to those people. QED.
HOWEVER...
There is also this notion that Jesus is EVERYONE'S god... (or in other words, THE God. The Almighty God of this universe.)
So...your saying all people who have faith are mentally imbalanced?