Evolution AND creation: reconciling the two

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Originally Posted by jollyollie

SCientic method has been formulated to sort through the bullsh*t that people attempt to pass off as truth. It is a given that evolution is scientific truth, so it cannot ride along side IDers whims. The mere thought that ID is comparable to scientific thought is a pipe dream crafted by IDers to slip antiquated thought through the back door.
As for the character of other preachers, I dont htink that is what I was driving at, Pen.My point was that these are the representives of ID, like it or not. The ambassadors of Darwins theories are published University professors and multitudes of science students world wide. There is a bit of a difference.
ID and evolution cannot co exist and those who unhappy about this should realise the reality of the situation and adapt, as do midge flies, finches and sticklebacks.

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One thing I have always said, Jolly, is that everyman should be fully persuaded in his own mind, and that if one's convictions are not worth standing upon then we are not settled in our own minds. I respect your stand for what you believe, my friend, but recall that others have the same right to believe as they will. To them, what you believe may sound a little off, and the published Univeristy Professors are somewhat notorious for their disagreements with each other, indeed as are religious people. But what you believe, hold to, and allow me to hold to mine. I do not force my ideas upon anyone, I'm sure you would not appreciate that. Neither do I. Have a wonderful day and remember not every precher is out to get you! :nod:

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Originally Posted by jollyollie

SCientic method has been formulated to sort through the bullsh*t that people attempt to pass off as truth. It is a given that evolution is scientific truth, so it cannot ride along side IDers whims. The mere thought that ID is comparable to scientific thought is a pipe dream crafted by IDers to slip antiquated thought through the back door.
As for the character of other preachers, I dont htink that is what I was driving at, Pen.My point was that these are the representives of ID, like it or not. The ambassadors of Darwins theories are published University professors and multitudes of science students world wide. There is a bit of a difference.
ID and evolution cannot co exist and those who unhappy about this should realise the reality of the situation and adapt, as do midge flies, finches and sticklebacks.

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So you are saying that professors and science students are infaliable?
I do believe that is a very high pedastal that you are placing them on. Have you ever read the story in Genesis, and more importantly have you ever taken a biology course that deals with evolution, and evolution theory?

Intelligent design is comparable to science...both have blind followers, both have hipocrates in their masses, and both mirror eachother alligorically.

Also, scientific method has created alot of bull****, and has also passed it off as truth, unless you believe that your body is composed of mercury, sulpher and salt.

evolution *and* creation? makes quite some sense.

so we were created by a supernatural being, thus let us evolved in time, and here we are now. is that it? sorry, not being pushy and all, i'm just not really knowing in this kind of subject. :D

[QUOTE=Stanislaw]So you are saying that professors and science students are infaliable?
I do believe that is a very high pedastal that you are placing them on. Have you ever read the story in Genesis, and more importantly have you ever taken a biology course that deals with evolution, and evolution theory?

Intelligent design is comparable to science...both have blind followers, both have hipocrates in their masses, and both mirror eachother alligorically.

Also, scientific method has created alot of bull****, and has also passed it off as truth, unless you believe that your body is composed of mercury, sulpher and salt.[/QUO
Dont try putting words into my mouth, pal. Its obvious where you stand on this and I wasnt directing my comments at you, nor am i interested i your opinion. No offence.
Also, my educational backgfround is none of your business. And if you had a background in science youd know the answer to your question.

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Originally Posted by woeful painter

evolution *and* creation? makes quite some sense.

so we were created by a supernatural being, thus let us evolved in time, and here we are now. is that it? sorry, not being pushy and all, i'm just not really knowing in this kind of subject. :D

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Dont apologise. At least you are polite.

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Originally Posted by jollyollie

Dont apologise. At least you are polite.

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And I was not? Jolly, you wound me! My friend, I said nothing as a discredit to you. If my stand is not the same as yours, I still allow your stand without trying to persuade you otherwise, or casting slurs upon you. Respect, freely given, is the least a polite person can do. PM me sometime and express yourself away from the forum where others do not get involved. Somewhere we may find common ground enough to carry on an intelligent conversation. Take care. :nod:

Some people think that their idea is the only idea possible, and do not respect others opinions.

to Jollie:

I am a student of Science, and am currently enrolled as a bio major chem minor, I am switching to computer science, business minor. So, do not assume things pal.

Also, I know the answers to my questions, do you know the answers?

and, if you do not want to read my replies, put me on your ignore list, samething goes for pm.

And to clear things up, I did not say that God created evolution nor did I mention anything about ID in my previous post, I was saying if you read the account in genesis, of the 7 days, it mirrors the evolutionary theory (the stages of evolution, you know, the formation of the earth, single cells, creating atmosphere, complex and more complex organisms, the land mass splitting up, and dry land being formed, finally man.)

hmmm...i kind of had the same thoughts as that with the 7 days being like the scientific creation of the universe and thus the world...from Big Bang (king of like saying: "Let there be light!" and then Bang! there it was :D)...to waters, to small creatures, then big creatures, etc. etc...and at last MAN to govern them all. But those are just my thoughts :)

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Originally Posted by woeful painter

hmmm...i kind of had the same thoughts as that with the 7 days being like the scientific creation of the universe and thus the world...from Big Bang (king of like saying: "Let there be light!" and then Bang! there it was :D)...to waters, to small creatures, then big creatures, etc. etc...and at last MAN to govern them all. But those are just my thoughts :)

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I think it could be, I mean most of the bible has parables...and maybe people just couldn't understand this concept.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

I was saying if you read the account in genesis, of the 7 days, it mirrors the evolutionary theory (the stages of evolution, you know, the formation of the earth, single cells, creating atmosphere, complex and more complex organisms, the land mass splitting up, and dry land being formed, finally man.)

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But don't you think this is a later thought by the religious circles? They tried to resist the idea of Evolution till they could no more and now, it seems like, they are trying to blend it into their own account of things... In a way trying to reconcile with the scientific evidence.

Maybe they did realise that resistance is futile and that they have to be assimilated?

:D

am i sensing Borg invasions here too? :D I can't seem to find that in Darwin's and the Bible's articles :lol:

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

But don't you think this is a later thought by the religious circles? They tried to resist the idea of Evolution till they could no more and now, it seems like, they are trying to blend it into their own account of things... In a way trying to reconcile with the scientific evidence.

Maybe they did realise that resistance is futile and that they have to be assimilated?

:D

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Thought up by religious circles...no, squars maybe. :D

joke aside: by quite a few I am considered an odd duck fro drawing comparisons, but I doubt the religious folk had evolution in mind when they authored the tale of genisis, something BCE.

Stan,

Genesis says that God first made heaven and earth, then he made light. That's ridiculous isn't it? Earth was made before the sun? Then Genesis would have us believe that herbs, fruit trees and grasses were created before there were lights in the firmament. ?? Total rubbish. Sorry to step on the delicate little toes of believers, but that is total nonsense. As for the writers of Genesis being wise or knowing of the scientific account of our Universe, that is complete nonsense too. How can you credit a writer any sense if they say that the sun was created on the fourth day? Did that writer understand the definition of the word day?

So Stan, please don't try fooling us into thinking that the biblical account of creation gives us a complementary account of the history of the Universe that somehow fits in with science, cos that's plain hogwash.

AP

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That's ridiculous isn't it? Earth was made before the sun? Then Genesis would have us believe that herbs, fruit trees and grasses were created before there were lights in the firmament. ?? Total rubbish. Sorry to step on the delicate little toes of believers, but that is total nonsense. As for the writers of Genesis being wise or knowing of the scientific account of our Universe, that is complete nonsense too. How can you credit a writer any sense if they say that the sun was created on the fourth day? Did that writer understand the definition of the word day?

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Can you enlighten us on the science theory, and tell us how the first atom was created under the harshest circumstances that plagued the Earth at the time it supposedly appeared? And how it became a molecule, and a cell that started dividing, all by accident of course, and then evolved to become the first specie, that then, by DNA mutation, which turned out more complex and perfect each time, there came to be other species? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Amra

Can you enlighten us on the science theory, and tell us how the first atom was created under the harshest circumstances that plagued the Earth at the time it supposedly appeared? And how it became a molecule, and a cell that started dividing, all by accident of course, and then evolved to become the first specie, that then, by DNA mutation, which turned out more complex and perfect each time, there came to be other species? :confused:

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Not precisely, but I can point you in the direction of plenty of scientific texts which can offer very precise and plausible explanations of exactly those points you raise. In fact, look in any college library. :nod:

All you have is a book that says that God 'spoke' it all into existence - forgive me for finding that somewhat less convincing. :confused: