Oooh! another newbie with sense of humour, hi Cara!
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Oooh! another newbie with sense of humour, hi Cara!
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Originally Posted by Cara
yesterday... Though I don't think that the term 'murdered' would actually be used because it wasn't a direct kill...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jack
I shouldn't find that snake thing funny at all... but i do. oops D
Why yesterday?
And it is a murder if the person dies so the term 'murder' is right.
He made love with whose wife? Abel's? His mother is Adam's wife, he was still alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Grale
Btw it's Cain that kills Abel.
Well according to my teacher of compared literatures, Adam and Eve had several children, which married among each other cos there were no other people on earth... Incest wasn't a crime then, but a necessity. And that's how the human race developed...
In Byron's Cain, Cain has a wife/sister called Adah, and Abel's one is called Zillah... In other pieces of literature about it they have different names, but the tradition in literature seems to indicate they both had a wife...which wa also their sister...
The Genesis record is HEBREW not Greek. All the genealogies contain only males - except in exceptional circumstances and generally only sons are mentioned by name. Genesis never says that Cain & Abel were the only children, in fact there was at least one more call Seth. The simple answer is that Adam and Eve had other children but according to the Hebrew tradition of the day they are not mentioned. It is suggested that as they were the first man & woman created by God they would have been free from genetic diseases so there were no issues with marriage of close relatives. This was still practised in the time of Abraham who was married to his half sister Sarah.
I suggest you read the Genesis record for more info - even if you don't accept it as a factual record it is a fascinating story.
Holy Grale: Cain killed Abel, not the other way around. It seems like a nit-pick, but I'm sure it mattered to them.
General Bismark: The original is in Hebrew, not Greek, and argument 2 doesn't make any sense textually.
Mini-lecture:
Regardless whether you believe the Bible or any other ancient text, it's easy enough to understand what it says if you take a little time to read it and think about it logically. Remember kids, primary sources are usually superior to secondary sources.
Looking at the text, we can make a summary of the facts:
a) The only people who exist are Adam, Eve, and their descendants (c.f. Genesis 3:20)
b) Adam is, at most, 130 years old when Cain kills Abel (c.f. 4:25 and 5:3).
c) For 130 years, Adam has no entertainment except what he can make himself.
d) Adam lived to be 930 years old (c.f. 5:5), so he probably maintained the virility of a teenager for all of those 130 years (wouldn't that be irritating?).
e) Eve was probably hot, seeing as she, being the "mother of all living", had the genes of every attractive woman that has ever existed (and the hot genes are dominant, of course).
f) Adam was no slouch himself (corollary to e).
g) There are no prophylactics.
Therefore we can assume that:
h) Adam and Eve had a lot of kids in 130 years.
And finally conclude that:
i) Cain married one of his relatives.
As Koa said, incest wouldn't have been against the law since the law hadn't been invented yet. It also wouldn't have been harmful genetically since the genes of each individual would have been very mixed and therefore robust against the problems associated with inbreeding.
I think I probably over-answered your question. Whatever.
And the answer to the question "If someone is attacked yesterday but dies today what day is he murdered?" is: "what are you, a lawyer?"
cheers
Man, you're such an ***.
>>And the answer to the question "If someone is attacked yesterday but dies today what day is he murdered?" is: "what are you, a lawyer?"
Thats not an answer thats just a new question.
But it's still all mythological nonsense, surely?
And anyway, what's new about sleeping with your relatives?
The point is, what else could they do? They were all relatives, born from the same parents, ie Adam and Eve... it's not a matter of law, just there was noone else around... if they had to sleep with someone, it had to be a relative!
Lol I'm so passionate about thsi detail...think about it, no matter if you believe it or not: a world where there is only a family.. ;)
Cara, even if it is just a bunch of mythilogical nonsense, it's still a valid question. Just because the characters is E.M. Forster's A Room With a View never existed doesn't exempt me from having to stay up all night writing an essay thats due tomorow on them. <Yawn>.
Oh yeah, and good call on the languege thing Tam. However, the Septuigent IS in Greek (It was translated circa 100 AD). It was translated for the early christian church. And the way that its translated gives no conformation that Adam WAS the first man ALIVE. Thats where the theory about God's chosen tribe came from. But the original Hebrew should still be the authority.
PS. Tam, is your name taken from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time? or is it just coincidence?
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ok... the Bible doesn't list every person who was born. It really is that simple.
Yes, Cain slept with his sister. (waits for childish giggling to stop)
I read the first few posts, and realized the ignorance of the posters and refused to read the rest. Someone may have gotten it right... I am too lazy to see. It is completely unbiblical to say that Adam and Eve were not the first humans and that all humans are direct decendants of them.
lol. u be nice abs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbdoRinbo
double lol. D thanks fool. but i guess i agree with u about the Bible not naming everyone born.Quote:
Originally Posted by imfoolonthehill
either way, that murder thing? i stand by my previous statement
fayefaye! You're including the Anais Nin Quote! I'm thrilled!
the fool on the hill is back!?!?!?! *waves hi*