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:P thanks ;)
I know that of course 5 pages is not a "rule" but I'm trying to stick to that as I don't want to get off track! What I found most interesting in today's bit was the sudden introduction of a Hindu Sepoy- I had earlier read a really interesting book called Joyce, Race and Empire and this sems to foreshadow the argument there, as also the suggestion of Ireland being a kind of poor cousin to England. This internal colonization was, I suppose a crucial theme for Joyce as it appears in Ulysses and Portrait also.
Got to give Britain credit for making other nations feel inferior. Reminds me of a film called ****land; about the Falkland Island inhabitants vs. the Argentineans. It was quite humorous.
Can't resist a quote by Wordsworth on the Irish people in this context
"English civilization may fairly said to be the sheild of Irish barbarism. These swarms of degraded people could not exist but through us." And that's only two lines from a passage of over 5 pages in the same vein!
That's funny. That someone is so out of touch with reality to believe such BS.
Though I'm sure it helped him sleep well at the time. I'm not so sure it is any comfort in his current residence, The Fifth Circle of Hell. :D
Jay: Are you still with us?
Yep, just have a kinda hectic uni week, might be a little behind you guys :oops:.
Wordsworth . . . what a shnook. :evil: :evil: :evil: He tried to censor Samuel Taylor Coleridge's poetry out of jealousy.
I agree completely- my research involved in depth work on the Romantics and as a poet, with a few exceptional pieces, Wordsworth was the worst. And forget about poetry, the stuff he did to Coleridges private life are purely vindictive- you should just see some of the letters he wrote about Coleridge to mutual friends- if he didn't want to help his "friend' OK, but imagine actually writing and "warning" others that they had better not try to help the man either!Quote:
Originally Posted by AbdoRinbo
:oops: Giving up the Wake reading, sorry guys, can't understand a tenth of it. Is it just me or the words really don't make sense at all? :oops: It doesn't even look as if written in English. I think my intelectual's short for this book :oops:.
Or does the novel get more comprehend-able later? :( :oops:
No one understands it all;that's the fun of it, or at least I think so. Joyce is one of the best, if not the best at obfuscating things. According to McHugh's book, Joyce used 62 languages, including english. It doesn't get better. If you want to, post the whatever you are having trouble with and I'll chime in and try to help you understand, what I can. I'm pretty sure Sindhu will as well, though I cannot speak for her. Everybody's intellect is short when it comes to this. It will still be there later, if you don't want to read it now. ;) :D
I'm more than willing to help as far as in me lies! And Jay, don't even expect every word to make sense- it wasn't meant to! But if you have specific problems now or later, just ask and I'll help if I can.
Thanks guys, but kinda no words makes sense to me, and the sentences... yuck. Is there even anything going on? I mean, is there any story or description of anything?
I thought at first, five pages a day, easy. But I read the first page almost for two hours and have no idea what that was supposed to mean or what's going on :oops:.
Thanks guys, but kinda no words makes sense to me, and the sentences... yuck. Is there even anything going on? I mean, is there any story or description of anything?
I thought at first, five pages a day, easy. But I read the first page almost for two hours and have no idea what that was supposed to mean or what's going on :oops:.
Just thought I'd post an update on as far as I've got - did you catch the houhyhnhnm reference? Joyce seems to have had quite a lot in common with Swift and Defoe- a better prose version of "The true-born Englishman" is hard to imagine. I got distinct echoches of Hamlet-Ashes to ashes and the stench! Joyce has practically covered the whole of Irish/world history rom cromgnon to annodomini- and alphabets and languages don't help at all. The Jute- Mutt "conversation is a bit too eerily similar to what we do everyday without realizing it, right? And I loved the feminine counterpart of Tom Dick and Harry. But the absolutely scrumptious bit was "every busy eerie whig's a bit of a torytale to tell." Talk about summing up politics succintly!