I don't know what you meant by craftsman. Sotheby's and Christie's certainly consider Amorsolo an artist, and so are the intelligent collectors.
I don't know what you meant by craftsman. Sotheby's and Christie's certainly consider Amorsolo an artist, and so are the intelligent collectors.
Perhaps, it is not the best translation but what I mean that there are people who have little talent and their work is not that of having talent but a hard work.Quote:
Originally Posted by miyako73
Since you are into award/medal/prize, here's another one by a Filipino artist named Juan Luna, who won gold medal at Exposición Nacional de Bellas Artes in 1884 in Madrid (Picasso won honorable mention in 1897). He even lived in France and Spain for awhile, yet he was still ignored by art scholars. My point here is that there are non-western artists whose body of works are not included in Art History because well they are not Western-- in short, racism. So, Postcolonial theory, a workable theory for identity politics, is a need to rectify the inhumanity of the past.
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Sorry, but I didn't notice where you put his name. Anyway, I didn't know him but I have found the photo you have posted.Quote:
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backread i put the name of the photographer. it's a photographic image. David Nebreda
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Bachelor of Fine Arts. At the young age of 19 was diagnosed with schizophrenia . He lives shut up in a flat in Madrid with just two rooms where he has made all of his photographic work, without medication, without outside communication, no radio, newspapers, books or television. Vegetarian for 20 years, practice sexual abstinence, and subjected to severe fasts that you maintain a state of extreme thinness.
Their images came to blows the gallery Renos Xippas who dedicated an exhibition in his gallery of Paris , was where Léo Scheer discovered his work, impressed by his editor decided to become a force to disclose his work. He has published two photo books. Self-taught in photography, surprising for its wise use of the technique, mastery of light and chiaroscuro of his photographs, not manipulate the positivado even if you use the double exposure.
His work is almost unknown in Spain, in France has been promoted by people from the aforementioned category Léo Sheer , critical philosopher and one of the promoters of Canal + France, and has even been the subject of an article by Jean Baudrillard.
The only reference close to his work may be the artist Joel-Peter Witkin , although this looks to people outside their models or cadavers, not Nebreda, which bases all his work in his own person.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nebreda
And his work. He takes pictures of himself, after flagellation and self-harm.
http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...nebreda-35499/
BTW, why did you put ftil quote behind the image you posted? :reddevil:
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what do you mean? I googled, saved the pic, and posted. I did not change anything. I did not quote your name. Go backread. Damn I want what you're having. You're seeing things.
I have posted a link to your post. post # 186.Quote:
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Enjoy LitNet........I don't have time for that. :lol:
LOL. I quoted your previous post which I accidentally moved or something and I inserted the image inside the quote.
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This is not what I meant but it is a big subject and off topic.[/QUOTE]
It's not off topic. I'm responding to your myopic view about beauty. As I said, the most beautiful image to me is the image below because of its beautiful/meaningful narrative. As you have your own way of viewing things, I respect that. Do not impose your view. Do you want everyone to have the same view? That must be a one big boring world you have in mind.
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Got it now? No Occultism involved. Trust me.
Way before Gerhartz and Coombs were born, a famous painter in my country had already painted images like these, yet nobody really talks about him outside the country. Now that postcolonialism is currently loud a theory in humanities, scholars back home go back to his works for studies in aesthetics and identity. I can only hope foreign art scholars will begin to realize that developing countries too have impressive artworks, brilliant artists, and art histories.
The problem that many non-Western nations suffered from was not so much that Western artists/critics/art historians/art lovers etc... imposed their set standards upon the art of a culture that with different values and standards, but rather it has been that in a great many cases these non-Western cultures have developed a certain self-loathing... a rejection of the strengths of their own artistic achievements and a desire to mimic the style of Western art.
The critic, Robert Hughes, spoke of this as the "cultural cringe", in response to Australia's feelings of artistic inferiority to Europe and the United States. For a long time the US had this same cultural cringe with regard to European culture. Perhaps the difference was the manner in which the US developed its own cultural mythology.
I know little or nothing of the art of the Philippines, but I can use, by way of example, the art of Japan. The Japanese had a very ancient and rich art history. They produced some of the oldest-known ceramic sculpture. The Jomon and Haniwa works are especially fine:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/..._fukabachi.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...h_C0010484.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...h_C0010502.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/..._VI_sec_02.jpg
While Japanese art owes much to the Chinese... they also broke free from the Chinese hold and developed their own unique artistic voice. Chinese ceramics, for example, tend to be highly polished and elegant:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...yangdish_l.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/..._ming-vase.jpg
There are elements that suggest Persian and Middle-eastern influence... and vis-versa. The Japanese, on the other hand, lacked access to the fine porcelain clay and so they were were forced to use the rougher stone-wear clays. Out of necessity... and in conjunction with their love of nature (and undoubtedly the nature-based native Shinto religion) Japanese ceramics evolved in a manner almost shockingly "modernist" with an embrace of apparent accidents, "crude" asymmetry etc...
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/.../th_raku-1.gif
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...reteabowls.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...u-PICT4152.jpg
The history of Japanese painting is equally rich. There are the most elegant calligraphic and almost minimal of paintings:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...MtShang1-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...MtShang2-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...2_irmd_1-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...tea_kettle.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...KanoHogai2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...th_Yosai-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...ayaSotatsu.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/..._483x546-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...37cc5b33_o.jpg
And there are works that are stunningly decorative and employ compositional ideas that were shockingly original to Western artists:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...hio/th_3-2.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...Ohio/th_10.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...io/th_11-3.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...io/th_16-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...io/th_17-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...Ohio/th_28.jpg
And then there's the entire tradition of Graphic Arts... print-making in Japan. The Ukiyo-e print-makers were essentially illustrators. They were seen as the "low brow" artists by court painters known for producing the equivalents of our postcards for tourists, posters of celebrities, illustrations for pulp novels and even pornography... and comic books. Yet these artists became among the most know and influential:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...1_women_02.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...ro_b_large.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...ita-1790-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...yukyhoeos9.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...th_hokusai.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...99_hokusai.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/..._edo_107-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...unobu001-1.jpg
These artists had a profound influence upon Western artists ranging from Whistler to Degas, Mary Cassatt, Van Gogh, Matisse, etc... The Western artists, however, took the elements they admired... yet the work remained clearly of the Western tradition.
By the late 19th century, however, Japanese art began to absorb many influence of Western art... and often this was not for the better:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...roda_Maiko.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...-Woman-Fan.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...0120126a2a.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...io/th_hara.jpg
As the artists strove to paint like Western artists, they largely lost any sense of personal voice rooted in their native traditions. It was only after WWII that Japanese Art developed its own Modern and yet uniquely native voice:
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...o/th_Dog98.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...io/th_1991.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...M91_21_2-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...hio/th_uka.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...6nxo1_1280.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/.../th_hp-s04.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/.../th_hp-s02.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...o/th_36762.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...fWaterII-1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...cold-front.jpg
Have you noticed that when you quote somebody the name is on the top of the post not in the middle of the post?
If you use quote bottom there are no numbers behind the name.
Anyway, you are on ignore from now. :lol:....... I don’t want this thread to be closed.
Let me explain to you ftil. So petty.
Originally my post looked like this:
tumblr_lze1hzSVHW1r98944o1_500.jpgIt's not off topic. I'm responding to your myopic view about beauty. As I said, the most beautiful image to me is the image below because of its beautiful/meaningful narrative. As you have your own way of viewing things, I respect that. Do not impose your view. Do you want everyone to have the same view? That must be a one big boring world you have in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftil
I wanted the image to be after my post. When I moved the image, I accidentally dragged "([QUOTE=ftil;1195323])"; Thus:
It's not off topic. I'm responding to your myopic view about beauty. As I said, the most beautiful image to me is the image below because of its beautiful/meaningful narrative. As you have your own way of viewing things, I respect that. Do not impose your view. Do you want everyone to have the same view? That must be a one big boring world you have in mind.
tumblr_lze1hzSVHW1r98944o1_500.jpg[QUOTE=ftil;1195323])
Got it now?
My point here is that there are non-western artists whose body of works are not included in Art History because well they are not Western-- in short, racism.
Undoubtedly racism exists... and was part of what led past generations to ignore the achievements of artists of other cultures... but to suggest that because an artist who was Black or Female or Gay or non-Western was ignored and is still ignored because of sexism or racism or any other such bias is making something of a leap. For every Black or Female or non-Western artist whose work has been ignored, there are just as many... if not far more... Western Male artists who have largely disappeared or been ignored.
Who decides which artists make it into the so-called "canon" of art history? This is a process that continues to evolve over the course of time and is the result of the opinions of those who have invested most into art: art dealers, art collectors, art historians, academics and professionals of all walks, and then obviously the well-informed art audience and the subsequent artists. For better of worse art often follows money and power because it is here that the artist will find patronage, support, and promotion of his or her work. We are constantly "discovering" ignored masters. 150 years ago Vermeer was largely ignored, today he is a towering figure of art history. Vilhelm Hammerschoi and Anders Zorn... both masterful painters... were only recently "rediscovered". Japanese Art has benefited from Japan's history... their trade with the West, their military and economic power have resulted in their art being the subject of study and exploration by the West. Chinese art becomes increasingly important as China becomes a military/economic power to be reckoned with.
The reality is that every culture pushes their own culture/history/artistic vision. You cannot blame the United States of Europe for not taking Filipino or Ecuadorian or Sudanese art seriously. The French promote their tradition... and those traditions they deem relevant to their development. The same is true of the English, the Italians, the Germans, the Americans, and the Filipinos.
Not really. If you recite in the proper order facing west at the exactly time, you can quote in the midle. :.
The owls are not what they seemQuote:
Anyway, you are on ignore from now. :lol:....... I don’t want this thread to be closed.
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Thank you for showing your art…..I prefer Gerhartz’s and Coombs’ art that is full of feelings.
There is no art that is full of feelings. A work of art is an inanimate object. The feelings are in the viewer. A work of art may inspire feelings in the viewers, but ultimately you bring these to the work. I have a response to Coombs and Gerhartz as well. I find the work overly sentimental, unrealistic, and cliche. The paintings are technically very well executed, but they strike me as pastiches of works by artists that I find far more original and far better. Artists in the same painterly tradition, including Boldini, Charles Chaplin, Anders Zorn, Watterhouse, Ingres, Girodet, Fragonard, Gainsborough, Anton Raphael Mengs, Winslow Homer, John Singer Sargent, Sorolla, Berthe Morisot, Edgar Degas, Frank Duveneck, Manet, William Merritt Chase, etc... to say nothing of Rubens, Rembrandt, Titian, Velazquez and Raphael were all far more original, far more innovative, and far better painters all around. You can't honestly express surprise if an artist you like paints in a manner that is little more than a pastiche of Impressionism or Cubism if others are likely to compare these artists to Monet and Degas or Braque and Picasso and feel that the pastiche comes up lacking. I admitted as much in connection with the artist Catherine Able, whose work I posted earlier... and admitted that it was a pastiche of Art Deco, Cubism, Tamara Lempicka, etc... While I like her work... I don't imagine that it is in any way in the same category as Lempicka... let alone Picasso and Braque.
Why don't you offer miyako73 your company? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JCamilo
I remember that a member posted Beksinski art on the forum. I didn't know his paintings and I don't regret.
His paintings.Quote:
Zdzisław Beksiński was a renowned Polish painter, photographer, and sculptor. Beksiński was born in the town of Sanok, in southern Poland. After studying architecture in Kraków, Beksiński had no formal training as an artist. His paintings were mainly created using oil paint on hardboard panels which he personally prepared, although he also experimented with acrylic paints. The 1980s marked a transitory period for Beksiński. During this time, his works became more popular in France due to the endeavors of Piotr Dmochowski, and he achieved significant popularity in Western Europe, the United States and Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdzis%C...Beksi%C5%84ski
http://art.vniz.net/en/beksinski/
Beksiński claimed, "I wish to paint in such a manner as if I were photographing dreams".
I reminds me about Henry Fuseli's The Nightmare and S. Freud.
When Max Eastman visited Sigmund Freud's apartment at Berggasse 19,Vienna, Austria, in 1926, he noticed a print of John Henry Fuseli's (1741-1825) The Nightmare hanging on the wall next to Rembrandt vanRijn's The Anatomy Lesson.
Henry Fuseli, The Nightmare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jo..._Nightmare.JPG
Sigmund Freud was also fascinated with demonology.
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Sigmund Freud calls the Praestigiis Daemonum one of the ten most significant books of all time.
http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/weyer.htm
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De praestigiis daemonum is a book by demonologist Johann Weyer, also known as Wierus, first published in Basel in 1563. The book also contains a famous appendix also circulated independently as the Pseudomonarchia daemonum, a listing of the names and titles of infernal spirits, and the powers alleged to be wielded by each of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_praestigiis_daemonum
@St. Luke
We have traditions in sculptural and textile arts. But the West looks at them as exotic and too ethnic; thus, they are called handicrafts. Our painting history can be traced back in 1800's or even earlier when the Spanish painters came and put up art schools in the Islands. I don't think your "cultural cringe" is applicable as far as the painting history of the Philippines is concerned.
Earliest painting/drawing/illustration works in my country:
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