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Originally Posted by LilyPan

Okay so I was really bored and found this thread and decided to give it a shot since i have read all of the twilight books many many times, love Eclipse and Twilight the most, and own the movie, while looking forward to New Moon coming out, and I realized something...
People have so much...tension, I think is the word i want to use...built up that they completely go off topic.
This thread was started because someone wanted to discuss the book Twilight. Simple as that. They wanted to know what others thought, what they felt, which is their favorite, and so on while being respectful to others and not spoiling everything.
After reading the 1st page I decided that I'll just skip to the very end and see where this has ended up.
I was shocked... you all became so carried away with deciding if you could or could not take something away from reading twilight or harry potter books, or if you read twilight books then you are just stuck with reading trashy/romance novels, and I even saw a comment made about if you read books like Twilight then you could never succeed in reading anything more enhanced such as Shakespeare. Then someone followed that with this generation not being that ideal to gain such knowledge.
really???? Then you try to give this generation sympathy for realizing that people who read books like Twilight get picked on for reading it which is why they don't read anything else.
how dare you all??

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I want to end this on a little note.

I am apart of this simple-trashy-reading-can't-read-anything-advanced-peer-pressured-generation, I read and completely understand Shakespeare, while being different from everyone else and doing what I want to do because it makes me happy. Doesn't that contradict your assumption?

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You are absolutely right. I love Twilight books too, I have them all on my bookshelf (I also happen to love Harry Potters which I own both in English and Finnish) and I'm not ashamed of it. I also do like many books that even the people here who call Twilight trash would approve of. I don't want to read books simply because someone tells me that this is something a sophisticated person should read - I want to read books because I enjoy reading them.

I know I probably shouldn't admit I am a twentysomething who enjoys reading books targeted for children and teenagers (L. M. Montgomery is one of my all-time-favourite authors), but why should I pretend not to simply to make myself look better in the eyes of those who can't understand why anyone in their right minds should like such literature? (Or was it wrong to call it "literature" at all?) The reason why I do so is that I happen to like the world they describe more than the one that is in many "real" books, especially the contemporary ones. I prefer a world more innocent like that in Jane Austen's work - though it's far from perfect, there's still something that is missing in our world today. So I guess I'm an escapist - but if I read to escape from this depressing reality, does it mean that I read for all the wrong reasons and thus my reading is worthless?

I don't think so, and I hope you don't either :)

P.S. Just yesterday I went and bought four books as a late birthday present for myself - I've had such a crappy week. They're all from the young adults' section :D

I don't read Twilight but I have enjoyed other books that wouldn't necessarily fall into the realm of respected literature--most recently, World War Z, actually very thoughtful and well written--and I do think it's important to allow oneself to have fun reading what they like regardless of how it might be looked at by literature aficionados. Sure, I kind of snorted when the tween girls in front of me at Target began going crazy over a magazine with the Twilight guy on it, but I remember the pre-teen/early teen I once was and it's not like I was devouring Poe or Dickens or anything.

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Originally Posted by higley

Sure, I kind of snorted when the tween girls in front of me at Target began going crazy over a magazine with the Twilight guy on it, but I remember the pre-teen/early teen I once was and it's not like I was devouring Poe or Dickens or anything.

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Well, drooling after Robert Pattinson doesn't necessarily have anything to do with loving the Twilight books... I know several girls (of my age and older, not teenagers anymore) who do that, and not all of them have even read the series :lol:

I loved Twilight the first five times I read it, then grew sick of it.:rolleyes: I'll still go see New Moon though. Even though I do read Twilight, I also read Shakespeare, Dickens, Poe, etc. and its not like I'm really old, either. Twilight is a book easy to criticize, but even the most devout classic fans need a little break. Heck, I don't even care if you read Brown or bad sci-fi as your 'break book', we all need a little nonsense entertainment sometimes. Be happy, even if it means reading Best Sellers.:banana:

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

Well, drooling after Robert Pattinson doesn't necessarily have anything to do with loving the Twilight books... I know several girls (of my age and older, not teenagers anymore) who do that, and not all of them have even read the series :lol:

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I suppose you're right!

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

And I wouldn't trust Twilight for writing your essays.

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Kelby, I have read your threads too and I am just appalled with some of the things you say. Why not trust the Twilight books to write essays? The Twilight books are very detailed and when writing essays you have to be well detailed to make a point.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

It wouldn't be fair to say that everyone who reads Twilight has no brain or anything.

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You say comments like this then go to your own threads and say the complete opposite! You are so contradicting and rude with some of the things you say.

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Originally Posted by LilyPan

Kelby, I have read your threads too and I am just appalled with some of the things you say. Why not trust the Twilight books to write essays? The Twilight books are very detailed and when writing essays you have to be well detailed to make a point.



You say comments like this then go to your own threads and say the complete opposite! You are so contradicting and rude with some of the things you say.

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? I don't believe I've said that reading Twilight makes you stupid. Perhaps you could give some quotes? I probably do contradict myself- I am human.

You entirely miss the point with the essay thing. Whilst you might be able to make an essay out of Twilight, the fact that the description is detailed has nothing to do with essays. A lot of the detail isn't even needed in the novel, it's just self-indulgent.

In essays, you do need to be detailed but you also need to be selective. You can make a lot out of a tiny quote. Essays also call for an awareness of background, which Twilight does not show.

But hell, you might write a good informative essay on Twilight and prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Arania

I just finished a book called Twilight by Stephenie Meyer. It was her first book and although it started out poorly written, it evolved into something magnificent.

If you read the synopsis, it sounds like one of those terrible ridiculous teenage books that are all written the same and have proposterous plot lines that make you want to throw up.

But it isn't.

500 and something pages and I made it through in two days. It's not that the writing is so advanced, rather that the author pulls you so deeply into the story that it's impossible not to experience the emotions of all of the characters. I don't think I've ever been so involved in a story.

Afterwards, I was emotionally drained and unresponsive/antisocial because it somehow took so much out of me. You will find yourself wanting desperately to go back into that world.

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I've never bothered to read Twilight and don't really care to. My sister likes it though, and thankfully she ISN'T one of those vampire obsessed hot topic dwelling teeny boppers.

I'd have to say the same thing of Dan Brown, his writing is cliché filled and there is some redundancy, but the story itself pulls you into the books' world. Literary criticism aside, some books just pull you in.

''Afterwards, I was emotionally drained and unresponsive/antisocial because it somehow took so much out of me. You will find yourself wanting desperately to go back into that world.''

I felt completely the same. The contrast between how well-written the first and last book is very different. They have the capacity to draw you in and get you hooked .. thus explains the ''vampire obsessed hot topic dwelling teeny boppers'' (hahaha).

Also the film does no justice for the book. What is that about!?

I just feel that Twilight it's very anti-feminist and reinforcing of traditional, patriarchal societal values.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

? I don't believe I've said that reading Twilight makes you stupid.

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I never said that you did but you have made comments that people who do read the books or try to put themselves in bella's shoes are in your words "pathetic".

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

If ordinary people are that pathetic, I worry for them. I did try to fit myself into her shoes but then I realised I'd have to re-write the book.

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And just an fyi I would never write an essay on Twilight, im not that obsessed. My point was that in essays no matter what style it is you need to have details and detailed support. Twilight is detailed. It paints a great picture in the readers mind which helps the reader to escape into the book which is also why it seems like such an easy read, not just because there is a lack of great vocabulary.

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

I just feel that Twilight it's very anti-feminist and reinforcing of traditional, patriarchal societal values.

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I could never understand this view. Twilight is a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, targeted at women. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a fantasy of a strong, in-control man taking care of the weak little damsel-in-distress has always been a popular fantasy with the women. It doesn't necessarily mean it's 'anti-feminist'... it means its a woman's fantasy world.

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Originally Posted by Homers_child

I could never understand this view. Twilight is a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, targeted at women. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a fantasy of a strong, in-control man taking care of the weak little damsel-in-distress has always been a popular fantasy with the women. It doesn't necessarily mean it's 'anti-feminist'... it means its a woman's fantasy world.

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Besides, Bella is rather headstrong and makes her own decisions, and in the last book she's not such a weak little damsel anymore anyway ;)

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Originally Posted by Homers_child

I could never understand this view. Twilight is a fantasy, a romantic fantasy, targeted at women. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but a fantasy of a strong, in-control man taking care of the weak little damsel-in-distress has always been a popular fantasy with the women. It doesn't necessarily mean it's 'anti-feminist'... it means its a woman's fantasy world. ;)

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That's a bit sexist. Yes, it's a popular view, but that is not the sole purpose of every woman's life. At times the book can come across as 'You are only complete once you've got married'. At least 'New Moon' embraced the swooning melodrama and didn't try to make Bella sound like your 'average' teen girl.

And I felt like a bit of a voyeur reading it- especially Breaking Dawn.

Oh,I've read the whole Twilight series and I simply loved it.!!!
If you liked twilight,the first book,try reading Midnight Sun,too.It's the exact same story with Twilight by it's now Edward narrating...It's just wonderful...You can find the first ten chapters in Stephenie Meyer's page.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

That's a bit sexist. Yes, it's a popular view, but that is not the sole purpose of every woman's life. At times the book can come across as 'You are only complete once you've got married'. At least 'New Moon' embraced the swooning melodrama and didn't try to make Bella sound like your 'average' teen girl.

And I felt like a bit of a voyeur reading it- especially Breaking Dawn.

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Oh, I didn't mean for it to be sexist. I can see how it would sound like that. I didn't mean to say that it was a fantasy for all women. Just that there are a lot of women that would be attracted by that. That's all.

Fantasy is not meant to be applied to reality alot of the time. Just because I find Edward attractive in the books, doesn't mean that in real life I would want someone sneaking into my bedroom to watch me sleep. Because in real life, that would mean, he's just a creep that will probably rape me.

And the marriage thing... why does it have to be taken as S. Meyer making a statement about marriage? What if Edward was just supposed to be a hopeless romantic who wanted to get married? I've seen quite a few kids that wanted to get married to the boyfriends/girlfriends right after high school, and did, too. I don't agree with their decisions, but it doesn't stop the fact that its their personal decisions and wants. The same with Bella and Edward. Plus, Edward was supposedly from an era that valued people getting married young and before they had sex. So, that should be kept in mind as well.

Now, I think Twilight is a crappy teen read, but I did enjoy the series. (Well, not Breaking Dawn) But I feel that people just try to pull it apart when it wasn't meant to be seen that deeply or in that light.

What if Bella was a super tomboy and Edward didn't want to get married before getting it on? That's not every woman's fantasy, its not what every woman wants in their life. But, would you still make an argument against it? Or would you just accept that thats the way the characters were written? That it's just a book. Not every book is supposed to make a statement. Not every book is supposed define every woman's fantasy. It's really just one woman's fantasy, the author's.


Sorry if I ranted, and keep in mind none of that was said in anger. Just saying what I think on the subject.

So, I have borrowed a copy of Twilight and will be reading it next week sometime.

Should I expect sudden hair loss, outbreak of spots accompanied with temporary hearing/visual loss?

Will I grow horns and a tail?

Just kidding! I have already got those, of course.

Sorry I'm so late. I just think Twilight reinforces the "traditional" view of the "weak" female archetype and the "strong" man who takes care of her. Keep in mind that this is aimed at teen and preteen girls who might not have so much experience of the world and not know anything else, would it not influence them to believe this is their role in a relationship and the world as females?

At early ages girls are looking for role models, people to identify with, what if the identify with Bella?

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Originally Posted by Homers_child

It's really just one woman's fantasy, the author's.

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That's really the core of the whole book. I feel voyeuristic reading it. The woman has not heard of distance.

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

Sorry I'm so late. I just think Twilight reinforces the "traditional" view of the "weak" female archetype and the "strong" man who takes care of her. Keep in mind that this is aimed at teen and preteen girls who might not have so much experience of the world and not know anything else, would it not influence them to believe this is their role in a relationship and the world as females?

At early ages girls are looking for role models, people to identify with, what if the identify with Bella?

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At first Bella is of course physically much weaker than the vampires (as any human would be), but (SPOILER ALERT!)





she always has her own will and in the last book she's actually the one protecting others.





And as far as role models go, I think those girls could do a lot worse than to identify with Bella :p

The series can be read when you seriously want to kill time!;)

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

So, I have borrowed a copy of Twilight and will be reading it next week sometime.

Should I expect sudden hair loss, outbreak of spots accompanied with temporary hearing/visual loss?

Will I grow horns and a tail?

Just kidding! I have already got those, of course.

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Oh, Sher, reading it such a waste of time. Take my advice and borrow the audio one. Narrating is ok. Quite interesting story (starting with New Moon, not the Twilight itself), but awfully poor writing. Cheesy love talks are the hardest. I skipped most of them.

And it's more like a fairy tale than a horror story. :yawnb:

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

At first Bella is of course physically much weaker than the vampires (as any human would be), but (SPOILER ALERT!)





she always has her own will and in the last book she's actually the one protecting others.





And as far as role models go, I think those girls could do a lot worse than to identify with Bella :p

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True. but who IS Bella? Beyond her overpowering love for Edward and her role as a daughter, what else defines her?

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

True. but who IS Bella? Beyond her overpowering love for Edward and her role as a daughter, what else defines her?

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Bella is Bella. She's a good person who often puts other people's needs before her own, but she can also be stubborn about certain things. She loves books and likes cooking and has a sense of humour. She doesn't like being the centre of attention and isn't very interested about clothes and make-up.

What else should there be? I don't think there's anything special to define me either. I'm just a lonely girl with an awful skin who studies translation and that's basically it.

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

Bella is Bella. She's a good person who often puts other people's needs before her own, but she can also be stubborn about certain things. She loves books and likes cooking and has a sense of humour. She doesn't like being the centre of attention and isn't very interested about clothes and make-up.

What else should there be? I don't think there's anything special to define me either. I'm just a lonely girl with an awful skin who studies translation and that's basically it.

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I dunno - you seem to be far more complex than "just a lonely girl..." but that isn't the point - in terms of the fantastical, and role models, if we consider Bella as an "idealized" female, in the sense that we would want girls to emulate her, it says a lot of things.

For instance, from your description, it kind of implies she is more background than anything else - she doesn't seem to have a desire to be "present" - she is ultimately, an observer, from what I gather, than a partaker, until, as someone above mentioned, in the fourth book, where she becomes a mother figure, rather than a damsel in distress.

Ultimately, compared with Alanna from Tamora Pierce's Song of the Lioness, or Jaele from Caitlin Sweet's A Telling of Stars, or even popular icons, like Sailor Moon, who is both an abnoxious brat, yet at the same time ennobled by the fact that she remains true to herself, and her friends, and does the right thing to save the day, or Xena Warrior Princess, who ultimately takes the front line, and is assertive - or perhaps something like Leslie Burke from Bridge to Terabithia, who acts as a very strong character - next to those, ultimately, I feel as if Twilight kind of lacks.


Even a romantic icon like Elizabeth Bennett - the witty, assertive, ironic type, or Tatiana from Eugene Onegin - someone who is both emotionally sensible, yet at the same time, remains true to what she believes in and herself, seem to me to be far stronger "role model" characters, in that they allow a sort of assertive admiration - we don't, for instance, laugh when Tatiana sends Eugene the love letter - we feel sorry for her, because we understand that she was true to her feelings - with Bella though, ultimately, I think the role of the female is sideswiped.

It's similar across the board pretty much in much literature - ultimately, the assertive, strong female characters seem, in popular fiction, to be sidelined. The character of the "whore" is ultimately rejected, and the character of the "virgin" secures herself a nice marriage to an agreeably rich, assertive, sexuallized male - the female then is ultimately pushed toward the house, domesticated, and unseen outside the frame of the male, who acts as a sort of savior/hero role by choosing her over the outspoken, assertive "whore".



Why is this? ultimately the texts just reinforce a kind of patriarchy - that's why, I think, Tamora Pierce is such a good author for the Young Adult bracket - she certainly realizes the potential of the fantastical as a means of empowerment - by providing a female who is not portrayed as a "whore", yet isn't submissive or suppressed, she is able to create a female role model outside of the role of "damsel in distress" - something in which I think Twilight is unable to do.

Like I have said before, the 90s seems to have been a decade of change within the lower age brackets, featuring, in popular culture at any rate, a new sort of heroine who is empowering - I think, with the emergence of various strands of thought in American culture, such steps forward are rebounding - I can't help but feel Bella as hero is a bit digressive.

It is one thing to be shy, or feel unnoticed, or not beautiful, and to associate with a character, but to repress the self, and then call that the makings of a role model to me seems ridiculous. Literature shouldn't tell you that feeling alone is what is expected of one, and being ignored is what femininity is, and not being in the centre of attention is preferable - it should inspire, at least in this age bracket, some sort of realization that, either one is special, and people need not feel saddened by such things, as, ultimately, they are perfectly fine people, or, on the other hand, or perhaps in addition, should also empower, and show that such repression is unhealthy.

It's not about being a good or bad person - ultimately a heroic figure will be a good figure - but even someone who has perhaps a bit of a cruel side, or fits the character of "the *****", is preferable to portraying the heroic as the ignored, or suppressed. People are more round than that - to use Sailor Moon as an example (alright, you caught me, it's perhaps the best example I can think of, since the show resonates so well in memory after all these years (about 14 or so)) - though Sailor Moon, as a character, is both nosy, obnoxious, lazy, indulgent, and childish, ultimately, in terms of heroism, she justifies herself as far more powerful a role model than a smart, quiet, unspoken, unspoken for, repressed, shadowed person - the merits of being able to, in the end, realize what is right and wrong, and to act accordingly, in fitting with morals, and in approaching themes, such as friendship, love, and truth (to the self), the makers of that show (or at least the dubbers) managed to create a much more powerful image, and a much more respectable character than Twilight's Bella, who, ultimately, fits in with a pretty patriarchal pattern.

:nod: I sometimes feel as if I am falling into the abyss of the authors complex desires: to shake off the shackles of her faith, her morals, her children and indulge herself with a beautiful partner that she has total control over, a child that she has a true connection with, power without the consequences.:brow:

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

Bella is Bella. She's a good person who often puts other people's needs before her own, but she can also be stubborn about certain things. She loves books and likes cooking and has a sense of humour. She doesn't like being the centre of attention and isn't very interested about clothes and make-up.

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Those are all really banal traits that every female YA protagonist has. They're a tiny bit of a misfit but that's because they are so good to their family (she moved out so her mother and new hubby could...bond...).

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

Bella is Bella. She's a good person who often puts other people's needs before her own, but she can also be stubborn about certain things. She loves books and likes cooking and has a sense of humour. She doesn't like being the centre of attention and isn't very interested about clothes and make-up.

What else should there be? I don't think there's anything special to define me either. I'm just a lonely girl with an awful skin who studies translation and that's basically it.

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You are quite lovely, my dear, and bad skin clears; And now, you are here with us, so you don't have to be lonely. There are also alot of chat sites for people interested in languages. Bella does seem very fortunate, doesn't she, to have someone who loves her as much as she loves him; and yet, that love has almost killed her several times.
As far as the book, I didn't like the part (what was it, in Eclipse) where she finds out that her great power is her resistance to things. She envelopes all of her family and friends and saves them from the ancient vampires. I liked Bella simple, and she just became stronger and more significant than her husband and all of his family members and friends.
In a normal relationship, that could destroy the balance of the husband/wife child relationship.

Must... read... Twilight...

All this talk is making me want to read it even more!

As much as I love vampire stories, I have never read the Twilight series.

I like Bella the way she is, and I don't think she's too weak or too anti-feminist or too good or anything. There are all kinds of people in the world, so why should all protagonists be such "strong" characters? I think Bella has her strenghts and weaknesses just like anyone else, she's not perfect, and I don't feel Twilight books pose any threat for the status of women in the world (or if it does, then there's seriously something wrong in the society). I'm not saying all protagonists should be like her, no. I think it's good that we have different kinds of people portrayed in books :)

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Originally Posted by soundofmusic

You are quite lovely, my dear, and bad skin clears; And now, you are here with us, so you don't have to be lonely. There are also alot of chat sites for people interested in languages.

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Thank you, soundofmusic :) The doctor said my skin might get better in about five or ten years, so I guess I'll just have to keep waiting. (I have an atopic skin which means it's very dry and highly irritable - it looks bad, and the constant itch makes it difficult to concentrate on anything or even to get sleep.) I'm really glad for this forum, at least I've got some human contact, even if it's just online :D

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Originally Posted by Annamariah

Thank you, soundofmusic :) The doctor said my skin might get better in about five or ten years, so I guess I'll just have to keep waiting. (I have an atopic skin which means it's very dry and highly irritable - it looks bad, and the constant itch makes it difficult to concentrate on anything or even to get sleep.) I'm really glad for this forum, at least I've got some human contact, even if it's just online :D

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I feel so bad for you; I can imagine slightly how you feel, I have to constantly change gloves when I'm working and after several 12 hour days, my right thumb and first finger look like hamburger (I have psoriasis and a number of allergies; and like you, I am fair) I wrap the areas in topical medications when I am sleeping, keep down my stress levels and take motrin for pain. I also constantly check all the forums and studies to find out if any new medications are out. Perhaps you can check out some of the studies as well. I hate to see a lovely young girl miss out on the most wonderful years of her life. :angel:

I'm agreed with you Arania. Since the author combined between two things are extremely unlike. Stephenie Meyer combined between "Romance" and " Violence" at the same time. This is what I loved in her work. I'm suggesting you to read other parts of that work. The next three parts are "New Moon", "Eclipse", "Break Down".

God keeps you Arania everywhere you go.

Saleh Alyamani

Note: This is my e-mail if you wanna contact me :

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This is a dirty dirty word

I forget that this is a literature forum, not a serious literature forum.

I don't mean to condescend anyone at all, so please don't think that I am. I just consider Twilight an overhyped farce. It's poorly written, the plot is monotonous, and it's unoriginal.

I've read all of the books available, so I'm not just some idle observer looking to bash Twilight.

But seriously, it's crap. I'd rather read Candide again and again than be force to read Stephanie Meyer's junk (I mean Twilight).

You sound pretty condescending for someone who doesn't mean to be. This is one of the reasons why I often don't like this forum at all. The same things are said over and over again, and those things are always negative. "Twilight sucks, Harry Potter sucks, I'm above such childish rot. Look at how smart I am!" It's pretty funny to see so-called "scholars" bashing children's (and teen) stories.

It sucks too, because it's not always childrens stories. I hate it when people bash books that made a huge impact on me. I can't see a reason for it. "Shakespeare's over-rated, The Grapes of Wrath is boring, Catcher in the Rye was pointless, ect." I'm starting to think that people here don't really like books at all.

I sort of agree with you Juniper, I notice that a lot of people bash books, even children's books, and even I sometimes fall to that.

I think it's sad that people will just say they don't like a book without giving a valid reason. I'm not going to deny it, i really don't like Stephanie Meyer's work, but people seem to forget that it was written for preteens. For older women or older teens who prefer a more mature reading experience, the probablity is that they won't like it.

I constantly tell everybody that Twilight is a stupid book and badly written, but i forget to mention that I'm a junior in high school and I like to read classics. If i were 12 or 13 years old again, chances are I probably would have enjoyed reading Twilight.

I learned the hard way, to not waste your energy over getting upset about other people's opinions, even if they express it in an immature, childish fashion.

I had found it curious that anyone would read all four books of Twilight if they really hated it. I am old enough to be Ices grandmother; and personally, I like the Twilight movie and the first two books; the only reason I am not partial to the 3rd book is that I don't care for Bellas new role. I am more interested in Edward and his family; I prefer Bella human, and I wasn't as interested in the family unit with a baby later in the series. So, I only read part of the 3rd book and stopped.
I find as an older adult, that there are nuances in childrens and teens books that only an older persons experience can appreciate. Sometimes when people are young, they are afraid to do anything that makes them seem immature; at 55, I have no such problem.
I like Stephanie Meyers writing style; it is more like a diary of a growing girl. So what if it isn't Shakespeare; what did people think of Shakespeare in his day. Not all of his works are superior!
I also like the Harry Potter series; though once again, I prefered the relationships in the first five books to the later ones.
To each his own!

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I hate it when people bash books that made a huge impact on me. I can't see a reason for it. "Shakespeare's over-rated, The Grapes of Wrath is boring, Catcher in the Rye was pointless, ect." I'm starting to think that people here don't really like books at all.

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If you'd like to post a list of all the books that have had a huge impact on you, we'll all promise not to be horrid about them, ever, ever.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

If you'd like to post a list of all the books that have had a huge impact on you, we'll all promise not to be horrid about them, ever, ever.

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That's all I ask.