What Attracts You First? Poll #1 for Women Only

History is not about reading buffed-up, heroicised Wikipedia articles about war generals but is in fact about identifying trends through time and theorizing over how one system leads to another. Did you forget, in your forays into the lives of these 'alpha males', that war is a vile thing? Be honest with yourself. If you study your history by looking only at the upper echelons of the society you miss the essence of those times. Your version of history is one that ignores the masses of peasant and laborour.

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Hero to worship? Do you not understand history? When I look back at various historical figures and examine their lives it is not in pursuit of a hero to worship, as if they were some 21st century Justin Beibers, I find men who lead inspirational lives and remind one about the true potential of a human life. If anything it is a motivator, everyday because I know of these men I am pushed to not settle for mere existence but to go beyond the norm. With what dignity can I say I am tired or in pain when I exercise, when I recall to mind that Roosevelt got shot and before going to the hospital finished his speech. When anger takes hold of me and I would strike another, I remember the Marcus Aurelieus and Gahndi and how they tamed their harmfull passions. When I read of DeLassale who said that any hussar which lived past the age of 30 was a coward, or when he would as a general lead the charge with a pipe rather than a sword in his hand, how can I bring myself to fear death when I see in history so many men who isntead of falling to their knees smilled back at death like equalls. Great men of the past serve to remind us that though we are but the sustenance of worms, we posses the potential of the Gods.

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Well, go on, repel that worm! I wish you every success in fulfilling your potential to be an alpha God and putting us all to shame for not fulfilling our own potentials. Keep reading your Wikipedia articles and one day you will become great like your idols!

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Originally Posted by Babyguile

Why does it matter to you if this man or that particular man is found attractive by any of us? Why? This is an exercise in stereotpying. If Juniper or caican say they would fall at the feet of Che Guavera because they find him simply irresistable what would that prove? I'll find three women who aren't attracted to him.

Why come into a thread that was not made for you and berate female opinion? To discuss the bull**** concept of 'alpha males' is to partake in an exercise of stereotyping vast swathes of women. It is a concept I've never heard any female articulate and, coupled with the varied tastes in men that they evidently have, I think any further mention of 'alpha males' should be swiftly followed by a three month isolation in the Cold Ale Bloke's Thread.

Maybe we should have gender apartheid on this section of the forum then all the boys can use themselves to stroke their own egos like they usually do.

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Yeah, no stereotyping going on against men in this post.

And I think this is all quite weird for a guy to say. Maybe you're an ultra-feminist?

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Hello????? How was that conclusion gotten to? At what point did any woman on here say "I don't date alpha males"? This thread is about what we are attracted too at first. What is absolutely perplexing, and what has started this crapstorm is that guys on this site have the audacity to tell me (and the rest of us) I'm wrong and that we are lying about what we find attractive.

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Uhhhh, how about right here?

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

You're wrong, MM. We do not go out with the alpha-males. Deal with it.

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I've made my points explicitly clear, even explained where I was coming from with my first "women hating" posts. I discussed how some of us may have been confused about how some were thinking initial attractiveness may only mean physical traits or personality traits. The idea that men shouldn't be allowed to make comments in here is simply stupid, especially since women have posted in the male counterpart to this thread, which no one seems to have a problem with. You're the one now being quite rude, but you're a mod, so I guess it's okay.

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Originally Posted by papayahed

Hello????? How was that conclusion gotten to? At what point did any woman on here say "I don't date alpha males"? This thread is about what we are attracted too at first. What is absolutely perplexing, and what has started this crapstorm is that guys on this site have the audacity to tell me (and the rest of us) I'm wrong and that we are lying about what we find attractive.




Seriously? Che? Couldn't find anybody in this century?

Che is a cultural icon because of a picture, admitedly at first glance it's a cool picture but in all seriousness it says nothing about the man himself. Which is kinda been the point the last few pages. Yes there may be an initial attraction, but that isn't the end of it. You can't make a life on initial attraction. At first glance that's a cool picture but once you find out the actual living breathing man that picture isn't so cool anymore.



Perplexing isn't?

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It's easy PY. We are talking about Attraction not what is necessary to sustain a relationship. It's two entirely different things. What may initially attract me to someone is not the attributes that will sustain the relationship.

That's why people date for weeks/months and then it doesn't work out. Or other times the Attraction was not that strong, but the attributes to sustain a relationship was strong- a long term relationship.

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Originally Posted by tonywalt

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It's easy PY. We are talking about Attraction not what is necessary to sustain a relationship. It's two entirely different things. What may initially attract me to someone is not the attributes that will sustain the relationship.

That's why people date for weeks/months and then it doesn't work out. Or other times the Attraction was not that strong, but the attributes to sustain a relationship was strong- a long term relationship.

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uh yeah, so why do you guys keep trying to tell us we are wrong when we give our opinion as to what we find attractive at first? That has been the point of contention from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis

Uhhhh, how about right here?

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Let's look at the full context:

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Does it occur to you guys that women might have noticed that humanity has ventured out of caves for while now and that how Alpha male is viewed has changed?

There is little need for 'hunters' and intelligence helps more in the way of survival these days.

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So looks don't matter at all, huh? You're above all that? Sure, Scher, sure you are.

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You're wrong, MM. We do not go out with the alpha-males. Deal with it.

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I've made my points explicitly clear, even explained where I was coming from with my first "women hating" posts. I discussed how some of us may have been confused about how some were thinking initial attractiveness may only mean physical traits or personality traits. The idea that men shouldn't be allowed to make comments in here is simply stupid, especially since women have posted in the male counterpart to this thread, which no one seems to have a problem with. You're the one now being quite rude, but you're a mod, so I guess it's okay.

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Rude? Can you quote me please?

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Originally Posted by papayahed

uh yeah, so why do you guys keep trying to tell us we are wrong when we give our opinion as to what we find attractive at first? That has been the point of contention from the beginning.

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I think you are right. I just say there is a certain Logic and Science to Attraction, and it's not purely Emotional reasons.

In the process of doing that I completed the sin of applying a logic and science to attraction - and I should know better.:nonod:

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Originally Posted by papayahed

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Rude? Can you quote me please?

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Maybe you can explain how the context changes the fact that Scher said "We do not go out with alpha-males." You said no one said that. I showed that they did. Where's the context that nullifies that?

And, no, I'm not quoting or explaining anything in that regard. I'd rather not be baited into banishment, thanks.

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History is not about reading buffed-up, heroicised Wikipedia articles about war generals but is in fact about identifying trends through time and theorizing over how one system leads to another.

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Have I ever stated otherwise? Unless Gahndi was a warlord, I am not sure where you are going with this.

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Did you forget, in your forays into the lives of these 'alpha males', that war is a vile thing?

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Have your forgotten that the only reason you have a computer, and the internet, and are not illiterate has a lot to do with all the wars of Europe's past. Look at India and Africa, the average European has all the advantages over the average Indian or African not because our nations were smarter but because our nations were stronger. Yes war is ugly, but that ugliness and the deaths of thousands before us is the only reason you

1)have the technology and education to post on this board
2) have the right of free speech to say what you think
3) (if you are a woman) Have any rights at all (Nazis took away all political rights from women)


In Italy after the end of the war, everything to do with Fascism and Mussolini was seen as wrong and having nothing to do with Italy. The prevalent thought became that the war was fascisms war not Italy's. In Kefallonia 5000 Italians were executed by the Germans because, rather than acting like the cowards we Italians are, they choose to do their duty and serve their country. The bravery and sacrifice of these men is better know in America than Italy. In fact up until recently, the Italian government would not even acknowledge that these men were executed by the germans. Why does my nation choose to abandon the only men who did their duty and showed courage? Because we lost the war, so everything to do with the war was evil, the loyalty and bravery of these men was not loyalty and bravery because we lost the war. And it is for reasons like these that I detest my country at times, because zealotry is zealotry. Acknowledge that war is vile, yes - abandon the boys (because wars are fought by boys not men) and pretend that they never existed and that their death had nothing to do with their country, it is base. Yes war is vile, so vile that in europe and America poverty is linked to obesity while in the rest of the world it is linked to starvation - Are we not lucky we had all those wars.

You sound like the grandson of a very wealthy businesses who states that work is demeaning, completely ignoring that the wealth he has which allows him not to work was made by his poor grandfather who worked all his life.

Acknowledge that war is vile, yes. Ignore the bravery of ones countrymen who did their duty and showed courage, that is even viler. Ignore that fact that we all enjoy wealthy lives because of the wars we vilify, that is just stupid.

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Be honest with yourself. If you study your history by looking only at the upper echelons of the society you miss the essence of those times. Your version of history is one that ignores the masses of peasant and laborour.

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Have I ever stated that I ignore the masses when it comes to history? You are inventing things at this point. Besides you seem to imply that the upper echelons of society were something utterly distinct from the masses, how old are you? That is like the thought of a teenage which has yet to see the world. When I look at the genealogical tree of my family one fifth of the men died in war. Do you think war is something which involved the lords siting back whilst they sent the peasants to die? In wwI the lie tenants had almost double the mortality rate that the privates.

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Keep reading your Wikipedia articles and one day you will become great like your idols!

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Did you seriously just demonify education?



Look I don't like arguing with you very much, because it feels like an argument I had with an ex-girl friend of mine long ago. Were when she asked me what I thought of her friends, I said they were all nice and mentioned that one of them was very pretty, and from that she accused me of plotting to **** all her friends and betray her. At the time Failed to see the logical gap between "Claudia is very pretty" and "I will **** all of your friends", just as now I fail to see the logical gap between what I said before and what you think I said before.


Also I am not saying all or even most women makes these huge leaps devoid sense; just the crazy bat**** ones.

Hold on a second...

You have accused me of jumping to conclusions, inventing things and assuming what was meant by your words. Then you proceed to do the same.

All I said on the issue of war was that it was vile, which it is, since it is killing another person. Yet you assumed I was doing the following things:

- abandoning the legacy of tragic soldiers
- pretending that the soldiers never existed (...eh?)
- denying that they died for the cause of their country
- denying their bravery and courage

You have assumed the following:

- I live in wealth
- I have a rich grandfather and had a hard-working great grandfather
- peasants and laborours are synonymous with soldiers
- I am a woman
- I am a man

The joys of argiung over the internet. I admit that I jumped to conclusions but you have to when debating on an internet forum since it's more two-dimensional than having a conversation face-to-face; but two wrongs don't make a right, and you seemed oblivious that you were committing the same crime as you gleefully shoved your own interpretations of history down my gagging throat.

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Originally Posted by Babyguile

Hold on a second...

You have accused me of jumping to conclusions, inventing things and assuming what was meant by your words. Then you proceed to do the same.

All I said on the issue of war was that it was vile, which it is, since it is killing another person. Yet you assumed I was doing the following things:

- abandoning the legacy of tragic soldiers
- pretending that the soldiers never existed (...eh?)
- denying that they died for the cause of their country
- denying their bravery and courage

You have assumed the following:

- I live in wealth
- I have a rich grandfather and had a hard-working great grandfather
- peasants and laborours are synonymous with soldiers
- I am a woman
- I am a man

The joys of argiung over the internet. I admit that I jumped to conclusions but you have to when debating on an internet forum since it's more two-dimensional than having a conversation face-to-face; but two wrongs don't make a right, and you seemed oblivious that you were committing the same crime as you gleefully shoved your own interpretations of history down my gagging throat.

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I was on the underground today and there was a woman of about thirty sitting opposite with a paper store bag with name Hollister and what might pass for an Alpha male. This is it:


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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

I was on the underground today and there was a woman of about thirty sitting opposite with a paper store bag with name Hollister and what might pass for an Alpha male. This is it:


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no Emil, that is a handsome guy, Tony explained what an Alpha male was before quite well, I am surprised you are just as ignorant about Alpha males as others, it might be a generational linguistic gap.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

I was on the underground today and there was a woman of about thirty sitting opposite with a paper store bag with name Hollister and what might pass for an Alpha male. This is it:


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Humm I am not sure he has a very effeminate look about him me think. It is the pretty face that did it for me.

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Originally Posted by cacian

Humm I am not sure he has a very effeminate look about him me think. It is the pretty face that did it for me.

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Well he may well be one of the many homosexuals that make up the male model fraternity.