The Earth is FIXED in Space

No, the scientist admitted that the coriolis effect can be confusing to those that don't have the background to understand the mathematical and scientific principles associated with the coriolis effect.

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Originally Posted by Musicology

papayahed

Yes, let's add that sentence too. You see it comes from a scientist who has already admitted the state of the scientific confusion of this issue. This fact you agree to, don't you ?


''The Coriolis Force. Responsible for large scale weather patterns and legendary cause of the direction the water swirls down the sink (although it generally isn't). But when trying to explain how it really works, most physicists come up with a blank, point to the equation and mutter something about rotating frames of reference. It's not really our fault, we've only ever seen the equations and rotating frame explanations. This article will attempt to explain the basic workings of the Coriolis Effect in terms a non-physicist can understand''.

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Well, Mr Musicology, I thought you did not ignore questions?

I ask you again:

So, I may presume that you accept that the sun takes 24 hours to make its orbit round the earth as the earth itself does not turn round, that is right, isn't it?

Papayahed,

Here, for third time, is what the scientist wrote. I've even underlined and made bold the proof that scientists themselves are confused about it. But here we go again -


When trying to explain how it really works, most physicists come up with a blank, point to the equation and mutter something about rotating frames of reference. It's not really our fault

And why is it not really the fault of scientists for being confused ? He explains the reason - (and I post this once again) -

''something about rotating frames of reference. It's not really our fault, we've only ever seen the equations and rotating frame explanations''.

rotation
rotation

How much plainer does it get ? The problem, says that scientist himself, is the DOGMA of a rotating Earth and of a rotating atmosphere. Right ? SO SAYS THE SCIENTIST HIMSELF ! AT WHAT POINT DO YOU FINALLY SEE IT ????

http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:q...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Meltdown time !!

Fixed Earth 1
Rotating Earth 0

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Originally Posted by papayahed

No, the scientist admitted that the coriolis effect can be confusing to those that don't have the background to understand the mathematical and scientific principles associated with the coriolis effect.

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Mr Kiki,

No, I do not ignore questions. But nor do I waste time repeating endlessly that the Earth is fixed in space and does NOT rotate. A fact which any reasonable person who reads this thread and examines the evidence already presented must surely accept. But you do not.

That's the problem.

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Originally Posted by kiki1982

Well, Mr Musicology, I thought you did not ignore questions?

I ask you again:

So, I may presume that you accept that the sun takes 24 hours to make its orbit round the earth as the earth itself does not turn round, that is right, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

When trying to explain how it really works, most physicists come up with a blank, point to the equation and mutter something about rotating frames of reference. It's not really our fault

And why is it not really the fault of scientists for being confused ? He explains the reason - (and I post this once again) -

''something about rotating frames of reference. It's not really our fault, we've only ever seen the equations and rotating frame explanations''.

rotation
rotation

How much plainer does it get ? The problem, says that scientist himself, is the DOGMA of a rotating Earth and of a rotating atmosphere. Right ? SO SAYS THE SCIENTIST HIMSELF ! AT WHAT POINT DO YOU FINALLY SEE IT ????

http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:q...&ct=clnk&gl=uk

Meltdown time !!

Fixed Earth 1
Rotating Earth 0

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Ok, you are not reading very well. There is no issue with rotating frames of reference, it is proven mathmatically. The mathmatics may be to complex for nonmathematicians to understand however that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Mr Kiki,

No, I do not ignore questions. But nor do I waste time repeating endlessly that the Earth is fixed in space and does NOT rotate. A fact which any reasonable person who reads this thread and examines the evidence already presented must surely accept. But you do not.

That's the problem.

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You still haven't addressed why the sun or other planets with atmospheres are able to move through space and retain their atmospheres?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Mr Kiki,

No, I do not ignore questions. But nor do I waste time repeating endlessly that the Earth is fixed in space and does NOT rotate. A fact which any reasonable person who reads this thread and examines the evidence already presented must surely accept. But you do not.

That's the problem.

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:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :hand: :hand: :hand:

I've been from this forum for some time so I didn't read the whole thread, this was looking like your basic idea but I didn't want to believe in it. Excuse me if it was already written before, but that would mean that Sun and other planets are traveling around the Earth? Geocentric instead Heliocentric system? Or something new?

Yes Mr Bazarov,

It seems you didn't read the name of the thread also ? This thread is on 'The Earth is FIXED in Space'. A geocentric universe instead of a helicocentric system.

Regards

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Originally Posted by bazarov

:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :hand: :hand: :hand:

I've been from this forum for some time so I didn't read the whole thread, this was looking like your basic idea but I didn't want to believe in it. Excuse me if it was already written before, but that would mean that Sun and other planets are traveling around the Earth? Geocentric instead Heliocentric system? Or something new?

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Papayahed,

With respect, I am reading perfectly well. My only problem is that I have to continually repeat information which you yourself seem not to have read well.

Regards

Ok, ok, I get it, just making sure.

So, you also accept that the moon orbits round the earth which doesn't rotate on its own aks AND that it has a cycle of 28 days (new moon to new moon) because we can see that?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Papayahed,

With respect, I am reading perfectly well. My only problem is that I have to continually repeat information which you yourself seem not to have read well.

Regards

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I guess we are at an impass because I believe the same about you.


Now, how about this question:

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Originally Posted by papayahed

You still haven't addressed why the sun or other planets with atmospheres are able to move through space and retain their atmospheres?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Kevinthediltz,

Interesting question. Really. The seasonal changes are caused by the spiral revolutions of the Sun as it circumnavigates the Earth each day. Each orbit being different. Completing one complete cycle of revolutions each year.

Equinoxes, solstices, and tropics are the result of the north-south motion of the sun, starting with the vernal or spring equinox on March 21, the official beginning of spring in the northern hemisphere.

On that day, the sun lies on the celestial equator. The word equinox refers to the fact that, on this day, the night is equal to the day: each is twelve hours long. The sun is directly above the equator, so its rays fall vertically down.

Through the months of March, April, and May, the sun moves north. On June 22nd, it reaches its most northerly point, that is, 23 1/2° above the equator. In the northern hemisphere that day is called the summer solstice. It is the longest day of the year and the official beginning of summer. The sun lies on the circle of the earth called the Tropic of Cancer.

On September 23, the sun, moving south, reaches the equator again. The day is again 12 hours long. That day is called the autumnal equinox and is the official beginning of autumn.

On December 22, the sun reaches its most southerly point. That day is of course called the winter solstice and is the official beginning of winter. The sun shines up from beneath the equator. At noon the sun is straight overhead at points on the earth's Tropic of Capricorn, located 23 1/2° south of the equator. At that time, it is the summer solstice in the southern hemisphere. The cycle again repeats itself and gives us our 4 seasons and the solar year.

The winter solstice occurs on June 22 in the southern hemisphere. 3 days later it is June 25 or "Christmas" day in the southern hemisphere. So that the cycle begins again with the New Year starting there, in the extreme southern hemisphere.

Regards

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Wrong dates.

Why is thread in serious discussion?

Mr Bazarov,

This subject is in serious discussion because the contradictions, dogmas and assumptions of a 'rotating Earth' and a 'rotating atmosphere' are very clear and obvious. Kindly read the thread and you will see the record so far. So that we may not need to repeat those points.

Please produce your best evidence the Earth is really 'rotating on its axis' daily together with the Earth's atmosphere. Then we can examine this belief of yours fairly - in the light of the actual evidence presented.

I am very happy to discuss this subject with you. Although I have already been doing so for many days here.

Here are the estimated speeds of the alleged 'rotation' - which, as you know, are said to vary according to the degree of latitude (and I quote) -

To determine the (alleged) speed of rotation at any other latitude, simply multiply the cosine of the degree latitude times the speed of 1037.5646.

Thus, at 45 degrees north, the cosine is .7071068 so multiply .7071068 times 1037.5464 and the speed of the (alleged) rotation is 733.65611 miles per hour (1180.7 km/h).

For other latitudes...

10° - 1021.7837 mph (1644.4 km/h)
20° - 974.9747 mph (1569.1 km/h)
30° - 898.54154 mph (1446.1 km/h)
40° - 794.80665 mph (1279.1 km/h)
50° - 666.92197 mph (1073.3 km/h)
60° - 518.7732 mph (834.9)

etc.

Source -

http://geography.about.com/od/learna...earthspeed.htm

I can find other sources of the same information. And so can you. The question is whether 'rotation of the Earth' and also its atmosphere are factual or not.


Sincerely

This is too akin to the long-ago deleted 'Was the Moon Landing a Hoax?' thread. And anybody who's been around since then knows my views on THAT subject... and thus, on this one. Crackpot websites are not empirical evidence.

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Originally Posted by papayahed

You still haven't addressed why the sun or other planets with atmospheres are able to move through space and retain their atmospheres?

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The best way to answer such ludicrous concepts is with silence.

Why don't we just let this thread die?

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Originally Posted by bazarov

That's the reason why time travel is different when traveling W to E or E to W.

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Time travel?

Don't let's go there.

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Originally Posted by bazarov

P.S. And please stop pointing orbital speed of 900 or 1000 mph. I believe you are aware how wrong it is.

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I wouldn't take bets on it.

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Originally Posted by bazarov

Wrong dates.

Why is thread in serious discussion?

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Because there is no "Humour" sub-forum.

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Time travel?

Don't let's go there.

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You disagree with a way I have said it or with idea?