should incest between brothers and sisters be legal?

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Originally Posted by Virgil

:lol: Ok sorry if I hit a nerve. Peace. :) "Incestigator?" :lol: :lol: Is there such a word. :D

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haha, just making sure you knew I wasn't calling you an incestigator (I'm pretty sure that's not a word). We definately have different opinions but I would never insinuate such a thing.

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Actually I didn't know, but if you're being fair you can add some politicians of the other political party. You can add Eliot Spitzer of New York to that list. Hypocrisy goes around to every one. Like I said human failing is universal.

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Yeah, that jackass too. I couldn't remember his name or I would have put him down.

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Originally Posted by Bakiryu

there are many things that are not legal and yet perfectly natural, a conundrum perhaps?

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In my opinion, everyone should stop butting in each others lives, as long as they do not harm them let people do what they will. Morality is a matter of opinion after all.

why do people feel the need to involve themselves in others lives, it's their own bodies for goddess sake. If you don't like it then about it, but don't preach or condemn or make laws that cannot be fully put into place.

Leave people be as they are.

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Legalising it is encouraging things which are mentally harmful. Incest, like rape, has psychological reasons behind it. I do not mean that the two are equally as awful by the way before I get shouted at. There's a storyline in a soap about a half-brother and sister who commit incest. Incest is NOT the same as normal sex.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

:lol: Ok sorry if I hit a nerve. Peace. :) "Incestigator?" :lol: :lol: Is there such a word. :D

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:lol: :lol: that is a good one Papayahed!

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Actually I didn't know, but if you're being fair you can add some politicians of the other political party. You can add Eliot Spitzer of New York to that list. Hypocrisy goes around to every one. Like I said human failing is universal.

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Yeah, really - there is quite a pick out there to choose from, any party!

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That's not global warming. If there are real environmental issues, and I'm sure they're out there, I support them for the most part. But a cost-benefit analysis has to be performed. Yeah you can find traces of anything in tap water, but just because it's there to a minimal level doesn't mean it's harmful. My environmental passion is relegated to preserving wilderness, wetlands, and wildlife. Actually I'm disheartened that wolf hunting will be allowed in the northwest. It's good that wolves have made a comeback through the wildlife act, but now some will actively kill them because of their success.

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Oh God, that is disheartening. Can they use traps, too? I read a novel about wolf hunting and it made me sick. The book was called "The Loop" and that stands for this horrible devise that actually catches the baby wolves, the pups, and they die slowly and painfully; I won't go into the details, but this is so cruel and inhuman. I certainly hope that is forbidden.

Oops..... I wandered in here again. I just had to comment on these posts.:D

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

LOL I only wandered in here because I saw you had posted and couldn't resist reading what you had to say. :)

I agree with you about the traps. It's cruel. It's awful. They should be outlawed. I can't stand to think of any living thing suffering.

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:lol: this is so funny; I wondered if you had wandered in her because you saw my name come up....geez, we sure do think alike. So now, I am wandering back in because I saw your name come up. We two are hilarious!

Yes, my son told me about that book and he kept asking me if I come to the part about the trap - 'the loop'....I can't tell you how sickening it was, when I did read about it. I could not believe that people could be that cruel to defenseless animals and these being puppies. Then again, I have a next door neighbor who has been killing squirrels and I am outraged. I don't want to know how he is doing it, and it sickens me when I see one wander innocently into his yard. I haven't seen one squirrel this spring. Is it legal to kill squirrels, do you know?
Otherwise, this neighbor is a really good person and always comes to our rescue and helps us around the house. I just don't understand his new obsession with killing these tiny helpless animals. I can't very well oppose, since he is so good to us. I feel sickened by it though.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I don't know if it's legal to kill squirrels or not, Janine. I would hope not. There is a squirrel's nest in the trees in our front yard. We often see the cute little squirrels standing on the lawn with a nut in their little paws. So cute.

Once, there were some squirrels that would actually come to our front door and take food right from my father's hand. They were adorable. My father would give them lots and lots of nuts to bury for the winter.

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Here's the thing. My neighbor to the left of my house, has feed the squirrels for years, she has even named a few who came to her door for food. We all live with properties running up to a pond. We all enjoy the wildlife and the benefits of living here and we feel blessed. Now it is true, that by feeding them continually, for a few years the neighborhood was over-run with squirrels. So the neighbor on the right trapped them and took them away to a more rural wooded area. He has a vegetable garden enclosed by a fence. Now, I guess he got fed-up and decided to just 'out and out' kill them. I think he traps them and then - who knows? I just hope it is quick. I keep thinking of Sweeny Todd's method...ick! Still I get sad thinking he might be kiliing an adult, leaving babies in a nest. They are adorable when young and we have hand feed them, too. I admit when they get older, they can be a nuisance, but normally we just laugh at their antics and I still do think they are so cute and have a right to live here like the rest of the wildlife. I would get mad sometimes when they dug up my seeds or my garden. But the birds eat the seed too, so what does one do? Go and shoot all the birds? I know a lot of people hate squirrels but that is silly. They were here first!

Should incest between consenting squirrels be legal? :lol:

I think that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they wish to do. I would never do it, but if thats how some people feel, who are we to take that away?

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

No, not even among squirrels! :lol: It's against nature. Actually, I don't think animals commit incest, which shows what I've maintained all along - they have more sense than humans.

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Well from what I've heard they do... But I think that is more when they are in captivity and have no other option. But some animals, rabbits for example... Well rabbits breed like rabbits no matter what!:lol: I think with animals their primary need is to reproduce and survive so they really don't care if there's no other option....

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

I know what you mean, Janine. Something once ate hundreds of bulbs I planted. I only had a few tulips in the spring. I don't think it was squirrels, but yes, they can be a nuisance. But I couldn't kill one. Heck, we humans might be a nuisance to them. The crickets drive me nuts in the summer when they get in the laundry room. Now, my husband gets fed up with the noise and will kill them, but my brother catches them and puts them outside again. They promptly come right back in. LOL

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It could have been moles or shrews; also chipmunks will eat them. I had some just vanished but then there were underground holes so I think it was moles or shrews. My friend had stuff torn out from the roots but she lives in the country and she found out it was a ground hog and trapped it; animal control came to pick it up. She fairly hates those now but she said they are so cute and I did see baby ones once - they are just adorable; I saw them in refuge and they fight like crazy for their food and yelp or squeal, too. I don't like killing crickets either - they are kind of ugly and big bugs but hey, sometimes I even let spiders go. I figure they actually are good for your garden - they eat other pests! Funny how those crickets really learn their way around!:lol:

My feeling is you can't kill them all or even trap them all so why bother. It is a useless thing and sad to think they have to die for no real reason. One cannot whipe out the problem that way.

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No, not even among squirrels! :lol: It's against nature. Actually, I don't think animals commit incest, which shows what I've maintained all along - they have more sense than humans.

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I didn't think they did either. Good point! Tab one up for our side. Glad you mentioned the issue...we were beginning to turn this thread into "Wild Kingdom"....:lol:

Going now to watch "Atonement" - library had it in. Yeah!

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

Janine, I really think the deer ate them. The house backed up to a large woods. I just gave up with the garden. The deer, or chipmunks, or whatever they were, were more important to me.

Enjoy "Atonement!" So glad you have it now. Be sure to let me know what you thought, okay? Anxiously awaiting your opinion. :)

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I just took a short break; I think it is nearly over. I love it - it is a stunning movie! That house is so gorgeous (I love antiques!) and love the photography. I love James McAvoy; I think he is one of the finest actors today. He is amazing in this film and so was the little girl playing Briney. Her eyes are mesmerizing. I must see this film twice, absolutely!
Oops....this is not the movie thread....:lol: I will write more in there in a few days. Going to my son's tomorrow to see baby's room....furniture came today....what fun that will be!

You guys are getting off the beaten path. It's unnatural and has potential genetic consequences. But that is not the issue here. The issue here is whether or not people who commit incest are criminals. They might be sick, but they are not criminals.

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They might be sick, but they are not criminals.

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But if it is illegal then technically they are criminals?....

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

Others: Now, we return you to, "Incest: Yes, It is a Crime." Does anyone care to refute my argument that we are genetically and biologically predisposed against it?

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Nope. I second the idea that it is completely wrong, and we are genetically and biologically predisposed against it... I'm with you 100% Antiquarian! It's just not right.

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Originally Posted by Antiquarian

Janine: Isn't that house gorgeous? And they found the house and fountain, etc. all on one location in England. It's such a gorgeous movie. I knew you'd absolutely love it.

Others: Now, we return you to, "Incest: Yes, It is a Crime." Does anyone care to refute my argument that we are genetically and biologically predisposed against it?

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Anti, I don't know if you read the entire thread, but I cite that and I also site how rare it is for animals to do the same. I think it's on the first or second page.

Some animals do 'commit' incest, though the word implies an understanding that I doubt exists. The fact is that most of the offspring of such matings are flawed and therefore the incestuous strain dies out of its own accord. In humans, however, we tend to pamper and protect the weaker members of the tribe and therefore genetic flaws from incestous matings can be passed on...hence the age-old prohibition against incestuous matings.

That having been said, and in light of the fact that our world is now awash in a soup of pollutants and toxins that can cause abberations in the gene pool, it may be a moot point if a relatively small number wish to mate with siblings and produce offspring.

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Originally Posted by metal134

You guys are getting off the beaten path. It's unnatural and has potential genetic consequences. But that is not the issue here. The issue here is whether or not people who commit incest are criminals. They might be sick, but they are not criminals.

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I refer you back to a neat quotation from a very good play: 'The law is nature. The law is only another word for what has a right to happen'

Therefore commiters of incest are criminals because incest isn't natural.