Twilight

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Originally Posted by Dimitra

sorry I just thought because many of you were big fans here could give me some suggestions..I didn't mean to interrupt your discussions.:/

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Don't be sorry.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Now I think about it, it occurs to me that I can forgive a good writer anything - from an ugly beard (Dickens) to casual racism (Pound). But I will mercilessly cajole and insult bad writers, even if they're quite nice people and really kind to kittens.

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You're quite funny, i must say

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Originally Posted by Dimitra

sorry I just thought because many of you were big fans here could give me some suggestions..I didn't mean to interrupt your discussions.:/

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Hey don't be silly and actually you raise a great point here. How much of Stephenie Meyers work is orginal? I am currently making my way through Dead Until Dark the Sookie Stackhouse mysteries which was published before Twilight and I am stunned at some of the things that are repeated in the Twilight novels. Vampire/human romance - tick. Someone that can read minds - tick. There are other elements as well but I don't want to give away to many spoliers. Has anyone else found that with SM books?

Dimitra I am not sure of your age but these are adult only novel there is no attempt at all to keep sex as an undertone.

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Originally Posted by Joreads

Hey don't be silly and actually you raise a great point here. How much of Stephenie Meyers work is orginal? I am currently making my way through Dead Until Dark the Sookie Stackhouse mysteries which was published before Twilight and I am stunned at some of the things that are repeated in the Twilight novels. Vampire/human romance - tick. Someone that can read minds - tick. There are other elements as well but I don't want to give away to many spoliers. Has anyone else found that with SM books?

Dimitra I am not sure of your age but these are adult only novel there is no attempt at all to keep sex as an undertone.

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Yeah but those are themes that are found in most, if not all, vampire novels.


Tell your friend to read Interview with a Vampire

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Originally Posted by limajean

Yeah but those are themes that are found in most, if not all, vampire novels.


Tell your friend to read Interview with a Vampire

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Hey!
The movie's pretty good to! maybe only because Brad's in it, but who cares?

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Originally Posted by Dark Lady

Do you mean you think the last book was the only one that was playing on teenage girls' sexual fantasies? Because it was the one that did it the least.

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i disagree....c'mon, Breaking Dawn is the only one that talked about Bella sleeping with Edward...and it's also the same one in which she gets pregnant...! Yeah, it's the least...yeah..not what you'd call a PG rating...

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Originally Posted by Beautifull

i disagree....c'mon, Breaking Dawn is the only one that talked about Bella sleeping with Edward...and it's also the same one in which she gets pregnant...! Yeah, it's the least...yeah..not what you'd call a PG rating...

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Characters having sex is not necessarily sensual. In fact it is just plain annoying in Breaking Dawn. All of the sexual tension built up in the other novels is ruined by them actually having sex (although it was starting to get a bit old before then anyway). It is naive to think that overtly talking about sex is the only way something can be sexual. In fact most of the time it is the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lady

It is naive to think that overtly talking about sex is the only way something can be sexual. In fact most of the time it is the opposite.

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sorry...i'm not getting it...explain it a little clearly

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lady

Characters having sex is not necessarily sensual. In fact it is just plain annoying in Breaking Dawn. All of the sexual tension built up in the other novels is ruined by them actually having sex (although it was starting to get a bit old before then anyway). It is naive to think that overtly talking about sex is the only way something can be sexual. In fact most of the time it is the opposite.

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AGREED. That's what ruined the Breaking Dawn. The sensuality because physical contact was painful for Edward was partially what made the first couple interesting. It was ruined when they actually had sex. Gaudy almost. The author just let her story and her characters get away from her. I was disappointed.

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Originally Posted by limajean

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by limajean

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

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Yes. This is the point I was making.

I said in an earlier post that I think Twilight is basically a soft core porn for girls. I said that I thought girls would respond more to this than an equevilant 'lads' mag' type thing (a magazine full of naked men) because girls tend to experience sexual enjoyment in a different way (as I said before I am generalising and I apologise for any offence caused). It is more of a psychological thing than a visual thing. More subtle.

I hope this is not getting too off-topic but I have a friend who tells me that she watches porn but what she likes is the build - the foreplay - before the actual 'action'. Once it gets to actual sex she is turned off. I think this is very common in women and explains a lot.

[I'm wary of saying too much on this thread because of the age-group likely to read a discussion about Twilight. Please, anyone who thinks I go too far tell me and I will edit my post accordingly.]

I have heard discussions about 'fantasies' before. Typical scenario is a couple talking about their sexual fantasies in order to recreate them for each other. The man will typically have a fantasy along the lines of 'I'm having sex with a nurse/secretary/Catwoman' etc. The woman will have something much more elaborate that involves some sort of story-line. The sexual act is important but it is the end of the story - for men it is the story.

So, when it comes to books and sexual tension the excitement is in the build, the before. The first three Twilight books are extremely highly sexually charged. The fourth one is not because there is no tension any more, no build.

Hope that helped explain what I meant?

It's creepy! He's 108- and dead! Why is she not totally creeped out by that?!

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Originally Posted by Dark Lady

Yes. This is the point I was making.

I said in an earlier post that I think Twilight is basically a soft core porn for girls. I said that I thought girls would respond more to this than an equevilant 'lads' mag' type thing (a magazine full of naked men) because girls tend to experience sexual enjoyment in a different way (as I said before I am generalising and I apologise for any offence caused). It is more of a psychological thing than a visual thing. More subtle.

I hope this is not getting too off-topic but I have a friend who tells me that she watches porn but what she likes is the build - the foreplay - before the actual 'action'. Once it gets to actual sex she is turned off. I think this is very common in women and explains a lot.

[I'm wary of saying too much on this thread because of the age-group likely to read a discussion about Twilight. Please, anyone who thinks I go too far tell me and I will edit my post accordingly.]

I have heard discussions about 'fantasies' before. Typical scenario is a couple talking about their sexual fantasies in order to recreate them for each other. The man will typically have a fantasy along the lines of 'I'm having sex with a nurse/secretary/Catwoman' etc. The woman will have something much more elaborate that involves some sort of story-line. The sexual act is important but it is the end of the story - for men it is the story.

So, when it comes to books and sexual tension the excitement is in the build, the before. The first three Twilight books are extremely highly sexually charged. The fourth one is not because there is no tension any more, no build.

Hope that helped explain what I meant?

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This is exactly like the point I made earlier where i made reference to your post of which I agree completely about. I want to tread carefully here but .. the whole, "dominance" factor plays a very large roll in the Twilight series. And rings true, i'm sure, of many female sexual fantasies.

I also think that many girls, the younger ones of course, are unaware of what they're reading. I mean to say, going back to my point about Meyer subconsciously writing about sex, I think that a lot of girls read the series and are a little unsure of why they are attracted to the novels. The romance factor, sure, the entertainment value of the story line, sure, and although i'm not suggesting that the book is just about sex/sexual fantasies etc, I think the author really tapped in to that whole concept. Therefore, I think that many girls are attracted to the series because of the sexual tension it holds - whether they are aware of it or not.

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Originally Posted by limajean

This is exactly like the point I made earlier where i made reference to your post of which I agree completely about. I want to tread carefully here but .. the whole, "dominance" factor plays a very large roll in the Twilight series. And rings true, i'm sure, of many female sexual fantasies.

I also think that many girls, the younger ones of course, are unaware of what they're reading. I mean to say, going back to my point about Meyer subconsciously writing about sex, I think that a lot of girls read the series and are a little unsure of why they are attracted to the novels. The romance factor, sure, the entertainment value of the story line, sure, and although i'm not suggesting that the book is just about sex/sexual fantasies etc, I think the author really tapped in to that whole concept. Therefore, I think that many girls are attracted to the series because of the sexual tension it holds - whether they are aware of it or not.

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So we're all agreeing here that the books are extremely sexually-charged, the actual act of sex in the fourth book is anti-climactic, readers like the romance, sexual tension, perhaps the physical dominance factor.

What are we arguing about again? :p

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

It's creepy! He's 108- and dead! Why is she not totally creeped out by that?!

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He's not dead though. I mean, he's not alive either, but he's not dead. And he's not 108. He's seventeen. He's just been that way for a long time.

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

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Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

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This is not the first time that this has happend Angel anyone (if anyone needs that explained PM me and I will I). There is some literature that states that vampires have some fluid tears for example and of course what you need to make a baby. The vampire lore states that two vampires can not have children it does mention vampire/human couples. Maybe this is a play on that Charm I am not sure.

:lol::lol:

Pretty sure vampires aren't meant to reproduce

yeah...bella proved that with her pregnancy hardships!

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Originally Posted by limajean

Pretty sure vampires aren't meant to reproduce

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Hear hear. The baby ruined the series for me haha

yeah it ruined it for me too... i didn't know what to expect in the last book, but it wasn't the baby! come on! Bella was only a eighteen-year-old planning her life. she was gonna go to college! for the sake of mankind! what the ....

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Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*

Hear hear. The baby ruined the series for me haha

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I have to say that I agrere with that it was a poor choice to make.

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Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*

So we're all agreeing here that the books are extremely sexually-charged, the actual act of sex in the fourth book is anti-climactic, readers like the romance, sexual tension, perhaps the physical dominance factor.

What are we arguing about again? :p



He's not dead though. I mean, he's not alive either, but he's not dead. And he's not 108. He's seventeen. He's just been that way for a long time.

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

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He's still lived far longer than her! And Eddie has this super all-purpose venom. Cross-breeding is still creepy though.

I'm not creeped out by the 108 thing at all.

And the fact that he's cold and like a rock? Creepy much?

Haha sorry Kelby, I really don't find him creepy at all. Just the reproduction bit. That was just wrong.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

And the fact that he's cold and like a rock? Creepy much?

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Well, I have terrible circulation so my hands and feet are like icebergs.
But i'm not creepy ;) haha

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Originally Posted by limajean

Well, I have terrible circulation so my hands and feet are like icebergs.
But i'm not creepy ;) haha

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Me too!

here's a random question: would bella have been better if she stayed human, or is she better as a human?

You mean is she better as a vampire?

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Originally Posted by Beautifull

here's a random question: would bella have been better if she stayed human, or is she better as a human?

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That is the whole point of the novel from the very first page she was going to become a vampire and we all knew it - didn't we;). Now it could have been one of two ways because she wanted to or she had to become one to "live" of course you get more miles out of the had to become one to "live".

The only way it could have been perfect was if she stayed 17 and human forever. Clearly, not possible. So there had to be some sort of let down at the end :(

All people i know who have the habit of reading are reading the same serie of Stephanie Meyer right now.I'll just go crazy,they all talk about it and It's like this book haunting me but i guess everyone has similar problems these days.Or is it only me who is not interested in trashy literature?

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Originally Posted by My name is red

All people i know who have the habit of reading are reading the same serie of Stephanie Meyer right now.I'll just go crazy,they all talk about it and It's like this book haunting me but i guess everyone has similar problems these days.Or is it only me who is not interested in trashy literature?

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Check out the last 13 pages of this thread and you'll see that you are in the majority on this forum.

okay, question of the day: Should Bella have gone with Edward or with Jacob?

one of my friends who have read the books and said that she thought Bella should've stayed with Jacob. she says that when Edward left, Jacob was there to love her...

so what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Beautifull

okay, question of the day: Should Bella have gone with Edward or with Jacob?

one of my friends who have read the books and said that she thought Bella should've stayed with Jacob. she says that when Edward left, Jacob was there to love her...

so what do you think?

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There is no choice here it is Edward

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Originally Posted by Joreads

There is no choice here it is Edward

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Agreed. Jacob was a tool who never respected her decision that Bella wanted to be with Edward.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Hill

Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, James, Flaubert, Faulkner, even Dickens sometimes. Beyond the classics Stephen King does a wonderful job and Cormac MacCarthy is disturbingly real.

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Dostoyevsky's characters aren't so much real people as they are embodiments of his ideas. Tolstoy's characters however...

This is a really interesting article on why Twilight works

http://vampirefilmfestival.com/Rober...g_Balance.html

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Originally Posted by Joreads

This is a really interesting article on why Twilight works

http://vampirefilmfestival.com/Rober...g_Balance.html

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That is interesting. It really bothers me that they spelt the author's name wrong though.

The vampires in Twilight aren't scary.

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Originally Posted by kelby_lake

The vampires in Twilight aren't scary.

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They are not meant to be scary. The vampire in this sense is a metaphor for dangerous sexual atttraction. Edward could kill Bella at any time should his inner beast take over that is what the article meant. Whether we admit it or not we all like a little bit of danger every now and again. Edward is in fact so handsome that Bella cannot resist him even though she knows he may in fact ine day kill her.

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Originally Posted by Joreads

They are not meant to be scary. The vampire in this sense is a metaphor for dangerous sexual atttraction. Edward could kill Bella at any time should his inner beast take over that is what the article meant. Whether we admit it or not we all like a little bit of danger every now and again. Edward is in fact so handsome that Bella cannot resist him even though she knows he may in fact ine day kill her.

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agreed.