Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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Originally Posted by ralfyman

Try the documentaries "What a Way to Go: Life at the End of Empire," "Age of Stupid," and others.

Die-offs and environmental disasters are being reported readily in the news, such as bee colony collapse, a third of crops destroyed due to flooding or drought, sea ice melting, etc.

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The recent Floods and Land Slides in Uttarakhand in India are more of an Industrial Disaster than a Natural Disaster.

This catastrophe is a consequence of World Bank funded Dam Industry.....Hundreds of Dams and Hydro Electric Projects are being constructed in the fragile mountain range.

This calamity is a consequence of unchecked activities of Construction Industry, Logging Industry, Mining Industry and Tourism Industry.

**Development is Destruction.....Development is Destruction.**

**Growth Rate** - **Economy Rate** - **GDP**....These are figures of Ecocide....These are figures of "Crimes against Nature"....These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".....These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Politicians who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Economists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

IMF and World Bank which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Rating Agencies which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Industrialists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

All people and Institutions that promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

Industrial Nations are used to threatening their adversaries with Military Might and Nuclear Weapons.

How are they going to deal with Climate which is getting more and more extreme day by day???

Are they going to nuke Hurricanes and Tornadoes too???

Are they going to nuke Droughts and Floods too???

The west used to think droughts and floods are problems of Asia, Africa and poor countries of the world....They are now occurring in the west too.

The day is not far when Agriculture will collapse worldwide due to extreme and irregular weather.

What is man going to eat???.....He has already decimated fish in the oceans.

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Progress, Growth, Development.....This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP......These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP in this world.
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The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

Radical Actions are needed.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.
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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

Do it Now.

A few years later would be too late.
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Do I detect a change of argument lol.

If one can't win an argument change it to another and pretend no one has noticed, even though none of the arguments make sense, and most are not even true ha ha.

Sushil is right. We are all burying our heads in the sand.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Sushil is right. We are all burying our heads in the sand.

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I never thought you were a 300-pound ostrich.

Destruction is a natural phenomenon, Sushil, and you cannot survive without killing something. Go to the wilderness one species lives on another. You are right when you say industrialization has imbalanced our natural conditions. But all we want is comfort and I cannot give up the comforts of driving a car on thinking that it pollutes the environment. I am born to use cars, refrigerators. I am living, and I think you too, in a cemented building. We eat biscuits and other industrially produced and processed foods.

Most of us are aware of our destructive attitudes and actions. We cannot reverse our course of living and restart living in the wilderness. We cannot think about reinventing the wheel and we are in an age of rockets and robots or stem cells - therapies.

All these are value judgements and you can be a good judge on all these ethical or philosophical questions. Your words will go vaporized. If you really can, plant a few plants if you have a garden or if you are really dynamic and live up to your ideals take the campaign of planting plants or else you too will remain a polluter though you sound high in your statements.

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There are no choices available.

If we don't stop destroying environment for thousands of Industrial Consumer Goods we go out of existence within a few years.

Other species destroy environment only for food.....Man has destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

The abnormality of man is crystal clear.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

This is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

This is the worth of Progress, Growth, Development.

This is the worth of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

This is the worth of Consumer Goods and Services.

Urban Dwellers have destroyed necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

Cities have destroyed Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

The combined work of society should be limited to food, clothing and shelter.....If we don't do this we go out of existence very soon.

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You are true. You identified the problem. Fine. You have not arrived at any solution. You are parroting the same thing but tell us what needs to be done and our way out of this traumatic situation. As Why do you not think deeply about afforestion? Replanting our deserts and going across villages. Do the small things that can change small communities of people rather than wasting time and energies.

We can instantly reverse our industrialization ' modern civilization and ways of living. We are accustomed to certain lifestyles. I cannot put off my industrially manufactured clothes to live in a primitive way.

Living rurally is unthinkable for many who have though many generations been living in the urban.

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Where should we start planting trees???

On billions of acres of cement, concrete and asphalt????.....In cities and towns???.....On millions of kilometers of roads and rail networks???.....On ports and airports????....In millions of golf courses, sports stadiums and Formula one race tracks???.....On millions of shopping malls and buildings???....On mining sites and industrial zones???

Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.

Nature has been doing the work of planting trees for millions of years....That is how all the forests in the world came into existence.

Millions of animal and bird species worked for millions of years to build up all the forests in the world....Millions of animal and bird species helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants all over the world.....Wind and water helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants over billions of acres of fertile soil across the world.

Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests in the world....The very few forests that remain on earth can only be saved by stopping Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services.

For millions of years on earth forests were saved because they were not destroyed by Industrial Activity.

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Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.

Environment cannot be saved by thousands of environmental organizations and millions of environmental activists after it has been destroyed by Industrial activity....Environment can only be saved by not destroying it with Industrial Activity.

Cancer is not cured by doing research on cancer, It is cured by not contaminating air, water and soil with billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Carcinogens.

Obesity is not cured by doing research on obesity, It is cured by not overeating and overstuffing the markets and restaurants with billions of tonnes of ready made food and snacks produced by Industrial Activity and made available 24x7, 365 days of the year.

Peace cannot be brought by thousands of Peace Organizations and millions of Peace Activists....It can only come when Military Industrial Complex stops producing and supplying billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world which is the source of wars, violence and internal conflicts all over the world.

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Originally Posted by sushil_yadav

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Forests are not saved by planting trees.....Forests are saved by not cutting trees.


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I like the quote. I am repeating: what is to be done? Who can take the initiative? A few activists like Noam Chomsky and Arundhoty who are voicing against hegemonic capitalists are singled out and unsupported. The zeitgeist movement is a temporary flame and I think that too will be extinguished in a while.

Think through solutions, my friend. I second your thoughts.

Tell me and the rest here what we can do? You have diagnosed the disease. Now try to come up with healing antidotes.

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Originally Posted by osho

I like the quote. I am repeating: what is to be done? Who can take the initiative? A few activists like Noam Chomsky and Arundhoty who are voicing against hegemonic capitalists are singled out and unsupported. The zeitgeist movement is a temporary flame and I think that too will be extinguished in a while.

Think through solutions, my friend. I second your thoughts.

Tell me and the rest here what we can do? You have diagnosed the disease. Now try to come up with healing antidotes.

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It is too late. Instead of summoning a second cataclysmic global flood this time God is just letting us spin arrogantly and destructively out of control, sowing the seeds of our own demise. The pathetic thing is that we know there is a big problem but we just sit back and do nothing. I now affirm the future horror. I believe that our inaction is a symptom of our very humanity and that we should go out inveterately, stupidly, gloriously human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

Super, Fab,

you are still wrong and still ranting, even when you change the argument.

sushil:

Interesting theory but the experiments you propose will not prove your hypotheses. Maybe people become artists because they have more of what is called "emotion" to begin with. What you need is one of those complex experiments which tests people at different stages of their lives. Also running the video at different speeds won't work. Probably the way to do it is to show the video at normal speeds but to stop it for varying lengths of time at critical points in the imagery. But how will you know the difference between a scientist and a sociopath? Time will tell?

The unabomber should sue for plagiarism of his material.

I agree by and large with our luddite friend's article. I think we pay a hefty price for a high standard of living, it dose in some ways stunt our ability to feel. mass culture dose alienate the individual. Whether or not we can know when to stop before we reach our mutual destruction is a question the future will answer. I am not holding my breath.
as far as physical labor being more emotionally rewarding, well I have done that kind of work and found it just as oppressive as working on an assembly line.