Can you tell me the mechanism you used to determine this information? Your response doesn't give me any clues to a method being used.
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Can you tell me the mechanism you used to determine this information? Your response doesn't give me any clues to a method being used.
Well, that is a good question and I am not sure I really can answer because I feel it. Do you know what a emapthic person is? I get the feeling you may not believe this line of thinking or the fact I have a ability that feels other peoples emotions, illness, and spiritual energy. I did not use a mechanism because there are not any that I am aware of that can determine my ability is true. I am sorry for being so terrible at explaining this but it is hard because I get this feeling and words form in head and then come true. I am sound like a crazy woman and a arrogant one but I just know. I can touch a check and even know if it is forged or not. It just happens to me and I have always known which kid would die before graduation day. Makes me a bit morbid I do apologize. The method I can say a paranormal method.Quote:
Originally Posted by atiguhya padma
Mad? No. Just out to make a point. Sometimes I don't know my own power of persuasion. :) I thought for a while I had brought this discussion to a screeching halt, which was not my intention. I was beginning to enjoy the intellectual exercise. It's not easy when you at least TRY to see the other man's POV. If I come across as harsh, I'm just being emphatic in what I believe. Thanks for the thumbs up! Dragon out!Quote:
Originally Posted by tiny explorer
Actually, I've read this whole post, beginning to end. That's why I came along. But AFTER I came along, I thought people who espoused Creationism thought me crazy, thus my last post. It's good to know at least SOME of you don't. I'm used to it by now, since I can't help being the Great Questioner, but it's because of those questions and a quest to find the truth that solidified my faith in God and the Bible. And before anyone asks, no, I don't have all the answers, nor do I ever expect to in this world. Dragon out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelheid
Thought I'd throw this article out there, since it's rather interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/sc...30profile.html
The wonders of public education has more problems than just evolution and creationism...
"One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth, an idea science had abandoned by the 17th century."
You've got to be kidding me, oh eccentric one! Even the "Great Questioner" doesn't question that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyrwen
Well, the church was very hostile to this one too when it first popped up, I seem to remember.
Indeed. Even the texts pointed to a flat earth and the universe revolving around us. It's not all that surprising that some would choose to follow such an ancient belief when the ego is still inside all of us to think the same way.
Considering most folks in the US can't point out any country but Canada, Mexico and maybe "europe" (even though it's a continent) on a map, this sort of thing is par for the course.
Offtopic, we know, but:
This is some kind of joke, yes?Quote:
Considering most folks in the US can't point out any country but Canada, Mexico and maybe "europe" (even though it's a continent) on a map, this sort of thing is par for the course.
We mean - majority? Well, this could be true for one person in, say 10000 (not counting very young kids) but, most folks? We don't buy it.
Okay, so maybe "most" was the wrong word, but it's still too high for all the education we have.
"A recent National Geographic survey found that only one in seven Americans aged between 18 and 24 could find Iraq or Iran on a map. While 58 percent knew about Afghanistan, only 17 percent could find it on a world map.
When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the U.S., 89 percent could locate California and Texas, but only 51 percent could find New York. On a world map, Americans could only find seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Eleven percent couldn't even find the U.S. on the map, and 29 percent couldn't find the Pacific Ocean. "
Sourced
Buy whatever you want, the facts are pretty stupefying.
I am too feeble minded to grasp the origins of everything, whether god created man, revolution "made" man, I guess the reason I "belive" in evolution is because there is no better thing for me to believe in.
Our living world can be mostly explained by science, science is from logical reason, therefore my logic is that, if not religion, then it must be evolution, until someone comes up with something else that is more logically persuasive then those above.
In term of logic, creationism is absolutely laughble, I remember once when I went to a church gathering, a relgious person "tried" to somehow convince me (a logician) to believe that creationism makes more logical sense, I laughed in his face. There was another incident, when I was in a christian Chinese gathering, I heard people say that:"god made people from himself". I laughed very hard afterwards, well, then why is he white? What should he be a mix of black asian and white? he can't be a mixture, because we are not alike, in term of logic, this simply makes no sense, so my mind easily abandoned Creationism.
In term of evolution, it was also troubling, because it doesn't explain the 'origin', it says that we evolve through natural selection, fine, we came from chimps, chimps came from smaller mammels, etc. until we say that life emerged as a single cell organism, well, where did that come from, can DNA be engineered ingorganicly? The same problem apply for theoritical physics, I asked my friend once: "what's outside of the universe?" He laughed at me saying:"THere is nothing out of the universe, hence the term UNIVERSE". But, since universe was once created, there must be something outside of the universe, right? and I am at where I started, and there is no point going any further, because we will arrive at the same conclusion anyways, my conclusion is that my brain is to feeble, to grasp the truth.
Why do I believe in Origin of species? Not becasue I believe it's true, because I know it's true, I think people ought to separate Science with religion, the two are like water and fire, they are not meant to be combined, they are much more efficent when separated.
-E. Brume
HASTY GENERALIZATIONQuote:
Originally Posted by Dyrwen
This is a fallacious argument, have you surveyed 'most folks' in US, I live in US too,(west coast) I can't speak for all americans, I belive that the majority of the Americans are smarter then you think, because on TV, whether is JAY leno or any other show, they tend to make fun of REALLY stupid people, they are a minority, yet when people see them on TV, they (the stupid ones) percieved that "most americans are illiterate, and stupid", this is very wrong, and I thought that this forum is for intelligent people, guess i was wrong.
That's why I suggest everyone, well atleast people who believe they obey the laws of logic, to actualy stuy logic, memorize all the fallacies, because if you can make impeccable logical arguments, it's easier to express your ideas.
-E.Brume
Those first one-celled organisms came from amino acids, water, and electricity. Put those together and with enough action happening life happens to emerge at times, or at least, it did once. Realistically exobiology and abiogenesis therein would explain this all a lot better, but there's always the more simplistic Miller/Urey experiments, located here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
And to your comment about generalizations, way not to even read the second link I posted when I was questioned about it. It isn't too general, and perhaps if you could comment or critique the second source I gave explaniing how stupid geography guesses are wrong, I would take you more seriously.
Putting it that way, from that POV, I have no choice but to agree. But there is one thing I've found by my constant questioning and research. Back when I was in public school, we were taught American History, and indeed, World History, not exactly correctly. I can never remember, but I think it was Oscar Wilde that said the trouble with history is that it is written by those who win... :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyrwen
Not really, as there’s nothing to argue (much like the actually topic of the thread).Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Sorry, kiddo. 1) the simple fact that Jay Leno is a huge, huge star and is considered “funny” immediately negates your theory of a smarter American. 2) these poles are taken all the time by various newspapers and other venues. Hardly “scientific” but generally pretty indicative of the idea.Quote:
I belive that the majority of the Americans are smarter then you think, because on TV, whether is JAY leno or any other show, they tend to make fun of REALLY stupid people, they are a minority, yet when people see them on TV, they (the stupid ones) percieved that "most americans are illiterate, and stupid", this is very wrong, and I thought that this forum is for intelligent people, guess i was wrong.
Needless to say many people a) living in America agree with them b) countless others experience the idiot brigades of the (dreaded) American Tourist c) etc
2b) I wont bust on your numerous spelling and grammar mistakes in a post trying to cite the brain power of Americans…
To those that believe in myths, “creator” is not necessarily synonymous with “god”.
Yeah right you won't! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
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Originally Posted by coffeestained
I am really sorry for my informal and mis-use of the english grammar, for I am a very ignorant fool who has not yet master the English language, Perhaps my post will be easier if I write them in Chinese or French, but oops, you can't read Chinese or French, or can you?
You are right, Jay Leno is not an intellectual, but that doesn't mean that intelligent people dislike him, I like to think that humor has little to do with intelligence, whether you are smart or stupid, you will always be happy to laugh, although I sometimes think Jay Leno makes very foolish jokes, but that entertains me, a program about western history entertains me as well, one intellectually another emotionally, so I don't see why it negates my theory.
I was not born in America, and yes indeed, I have experienced many 'fools' is my life in america, and I did think that most americans are ignorant and couldn't find more than 3 countries on the ATLAS. Then I went to the Highschool that I am currently in, and my past views have been shattered into pieces, i have met more intelligent people in my grade than any other place that I have been to. Perhaps we have a different life experience.
I apologize again for my grammar mistakes, for it is still not up the standard, I am still learning and improving, that's why I am in school right? But, I must say it is kind hard to keep up 3 languages while you are only useing one of them.
Xu Fuzi
"It is the way of the Tao,
that things which expand might also shrink;
that he who is strong, will at some time be weak,
that he who is raised will then be cast down,
and that all men have a need to give,
and also have a need to receive.
The biggest fish stay deep in the pond,
and a country's best weapons
should be kept locked away.
That which is soft and supple,
may overcome the hard and strong." - Lao Tse
if all americans do have an IQ above 60 would they have voted ia nd illiterate moronic presidnt, i know there are some clever peple but around lets say 51% are complete idiots therfore over half of your populaton arent very bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Please refrain from bringing current politics into discussion and tyr to stay on topic! ;)
Well said, Edmond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Though, it seems, many passages of The Bible science has empirically dis-proven, I would like to think that any religious text contains its own elements of truth, perhaps through analogy, fables, and the like, despite that I cannot quite "side" with any religion.
In a story (or maybe analogy) like that of Adam and Eve, that Eve allegedly grew from one of the ribs of Adam, does this perhaps imply a very fast example (within a person's lifetime) of an evolving cell? If, indeed, Adam consisted of the first person, and, in a way, another corresponding person literally grew from an odd place of his body, this has much relevance toward a mitosis-like division between two eukaryotic or prokaryotic cells.
Just one quick thing, evolution is just as much a question of faith as is creation, or religion in general. When a thing is not proved, it is a leap of faith in either direction.
If you say so.
Evolution: Millions of pieces of evidence pointing towards a common theory.
Creationism: One book, full of testimonies rather than evidence, believed in by many to assume a common idea is correct.
One of these uses faith, but if you want to think they both do, let's just say the reasoning/probability scale on one of them is a little bit higher.
More back to the topic. Concerning the fossil evidence for human evolution, it often consists of a single skull. Now I don't deny said skull exists. I'm just wondering if one can infer an entire sub-race of man from one skull. Let us say they had found the skull of one Andre the Giant, for example. Besides his enormous size, Andre also had half again as many teeth as an ordinary man. THAT would have sent the old gong off, no? I recall someone speaking of an infinite universe with infinite possibilities, thus making evolution possible. By the same logic, it makes creationism possible. Matter of fact, it makes ANYTHING possible. Somethings are more PROBABLE than others. There is the crux of the matter. I still believe in God, a creator. But evolution is the most PROBABLE reason why we do not all look the same, etc. I belive I posted the math for the probibility above somewhere. It, chance, is UNLIKELY, but still REASONABLE with some limitations. No species changing into another, for example, just each species evolving into a diffrent form.
Don’t be sorry, the first W in www stands for “world”, I just found it a bit (well, more than a bit) ironic…Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
The irony bell chimes again.Quote:
Perhaps my post will be easier if I write them in Chinese or French, but oops, you can't read Chinese or French, or can you?
Another typical American trait.
If I may suggest: n’ assume jamais que…
(never assume…).
Admittedly, my French is shaky and I have a very cute colleague from China & I wouldn’t mind her sitting close and translating, so do whatever you feel comfortable with.
Maybe I’ll respond in German or Italian…
Can’t say I agree in the least there…Quote:
I like to think that humor has little to do with intelligence,
Well, yes, my life experience is based on exactly that, a life experience, not an isolated high school case. Last I heard America was a bit bigger than a high school.Quote:
Then I went to the Highschool that I am currently in, and my past views have been shattered into pieces, i have met more intelligent people in my grade than any other place that I have been to. Perhaps we have a different life experience.
This, to get it slightly back on-topic, is about as asinine as finding a old chest engraved with “Jesus’ Brother” and insisting this is proof of a quasi-fictional (at best) character…
No blood, no foul. You’re doing fine. As I said, I just found it quirky…Quote:
I apologize again for my grammar mistakes, for it is still not up the standard, I am still learning and improving, that's why I am in school right? But, I must say it is kind hard to keep up 3 languages while you are only useing one of them.
It all kinda messes in though, current politics: “intelligent design” (I tried not to laugh while typing that); American notions/beliefs/stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Aside from thinking children’s tale, tales believed to be The Truth while being *clearly* just ‘borrowed’ (as the lawyers of the time weren’t yet established I refrain from “stealing” or “plagiarized”) from older texts is outlandish, your thought is…interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mono
“not proved”?Quote:
Originally Posted by djtru
Um, no.
And no again.
No. You posted about a card trick. And called it science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
Go play your game of cards for ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh billions of years and see what happens.
Funny. I got this "card trick" out of a college level math book. Probability math remains the same whether you use cards or whatever you like. With each additional condition that has to be met, the odds get longer. That is no trick, that is scientific fact. Cards was a simple example I felt anyone should be able to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
You could use some further reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
And needless to say you invalid “example” of cards-to-science is about as hollow as, “the bible says it’s so!”
Try reading, for example, Full House by Stephen Jay Gould.
There’s even some math stuff in there for you (yes, a science book that talks about the death of .400 hitting in baseball.).
And for the record, you can feel comfortable read SJG, he believes in your invisible people (or person, which is even more warped, as most seem to think) too.
Biology…a deck of cards. Um, no.
The bottom line is, people don't care, Creationism, if you believe in that, fine, if you believe in Evolution Fine, I think the problem is not about where will came from but where we are going to..
The technologies we invented in the last 2-3 centries have disfigured our mother earth, the polluted air in industrial cities, the radiation around former nuclear test sides, factories have helped to created foul smelling and toxic rivers. WE ARE DESTROYING HUMANITY, why are we so selfish? We are not the master race, human race is just like a dogs, or grasshopper or an ant, living on the planet that was not design exclusively for Huamns.(actually no, because animals only eat very few of each other for the purpose of satisfying hunger, People nuke each other for much more sinister reasons and killing thousand times more, so, I guess that's the difference between Human and Animals) it is our home, and theirs also. If you don't wish having a stranger coming into your house and trash your home, then don't do this to mother earth.
The enviorment is vitally important not only to our survial but animals and our descendents as well. Why are here wasting time arguing where we came from, as if it is of any importance, we should argue where we are going to go, is it to doom( the direction we are heading right now), or save our planet, by not wasting too much natural resources.
The Japanese have done a great job in my opinion, they recycle and use wind/solar powers, this is what I hate about the americans: they drive enormous cars that often occupying only one person, and look what is happening now, China is getting onto the energy bandwagon as well, one day there will be no gas left, and no atmosphere, or any living creatures just sand, sand.
-E.Brume
For the record, I'm comfortable reading anyone regardless of what they believe. If you look back up the list, I've read Charles Darwin, even posted that I wished people would at least have the deacency to quote the man right. I never claimed to have all the answers. But I think Mendel's reserch would tend to back up that the more factors that must be met to insure a valid result the higher the odds of acheiving said result. If that means I'm living in la-la land, I'm sure trying to see things from other points of view, to further my knowledge. That's why I'm the "Great Questioner." I question first, believe latter. :) (if at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Woah!! *whistles*
Where HAS this thread gone to since I last saw it a few days ago???!!!! *drops mouth* :D
I think sometimes that people tend to look on only ONE side of the argument... and only that which is published... most books (and movies that start off with billions and billions of years ago.... yeah right! :rolleyes:) now take it for a fact that evolution is undisputably true...
Yet there is undenyable a LOT of holes in the theory which can never be patched up by men to make it LOOK credible, simply because it's all a lie from the beginning! Look now.... at your calendar.... for example. If the world did come about as you evolutionists say it did (by a big bang, blah, blah) then obviously the world wouldn't be surviving now.... All men's efforts cannot even produce a little "living planet" then how can you peoples ever suppose a MISTAKE is suppose to accomplish that! Goodness! What blind people are who refuse to believe the truth!
Then no. 2 mistake..... The days and the seasons have not changed. Imagine that for the first year, your winter might be in June -August (for Aussies) and summer in December-Feb but then asthe years go by, everything is going to change! Summer would be in June-Aug and Winter in Dec-Feb! It isn't a pure chance that can cause such a brillant universe to come about.... come on where is all your scepticism when it cames to this! Believingthe Bible, which has little wording problems (which can be done away easily enough) you pick out as if it means much. Yet all the things your theory is founded upon aren't even that secure in the first place, and yet you use a little rag cloth to bind up the forlorn gap growing bigger each day, frantically trying to sew it all up before it rips apart...
Come on. This won't do. Reality is cruel if like adilyoussef, you live is a land of illusions amd dreams, untiol you wake up to harsh truth one day, which will then demand of you what good did u do with the truth. Then of course, you can't deny and say you never knew the truth, for I'm telling you the truth NOW....
But it's up to all of you. The truth is in your hands. Do what you want with it. Believe or deny. It's your choice. The world is all about choices. :nod:
Um, then why is this thread so long? And why is it current semi-Headline News?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmond
Snide’ness aside, I do pretty much agree with you. I’m open to the idea of past “creators” (note the plural, as the idea of just one is idiotic to the extreme), but something that is long gone and has absolutely nothing to do with a “god” that desires subservience.Quote:
Creationism, if you believe in that, fine, if you believe in Evolution Fine, I think the problem is not about where will came from but where we are going to..
The belief in “god” is a *need*, and says far more about the individual(s) then it does about non-entities.
But all in all, the “creator” thing is, to me, unlikely.
Although the idea that we are a failed experiment does come to mind every time I watch the news or see another human being.
Science, and much of the course of “evolution”, is simple fact. But I truly gain nothing from trying to convince anyone of this. They can believe The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a true story for all I care…and I find the idea of debating someone that subscribes to a “literature” forum but negates the works of William Shakespeare and the Brontes as dismissible something along the lines of ‘colossally wasting my time’.
Well, pesky humans also have this idea of always trying to outdo death. Nature has many ways to cull the population, but humans have found ways to eradicate many of the diseases and plagues that once acted as a population control.Quote:
People nuke each other for much more sinister reasons and killing thousand times more, so, I guess that's the difference between Human and Animals)
And breed much, much, much too often.
Hmmm. “optimistic”. You’re young, aintcha?Quote:
we should argue where we are going to go, is it to doom( the direction we are heading right now), or save our planet, by not wasting too much natural resources.
Keep in mind that Bush now has 2 vacancies on the Supreme Court. You want your future?
“****ed” sums it up pretty well.
Well, times have changed a bit since Chucky D…a believer in a “creator”, by the by…Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
And anyone contributing to this thread that _hasn’t_ read some basics on “eolution” should shut the hell up.
This notion that everyone has a “right to an opinion” is really pretty bizarre. And the internet has only added to it.
The only thing anyone has a “right” to is an *informed* opinion.
Mendel’s research also accounts for mutations. Which is a key factor in evolution.Quote:
But I think Mendel's reserch would tend to back up that the more factors that must be met to insure a valid result the higher the odds of acheiving said result.
You’re really taking a bunch of isolated scenarios and trying to fit them into the wrong (w)hole.
Every time I read your self-proclamation I get the itches. It seems more that you _think_ yourself some ‘great questioner’ until you find a theory (or ‘answer’) that you’re comfortable with.Quote:
That's why I'm the "Great Questioner." I question first, believe latter. :) (if at all).
How can that be when there really _is_ no argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelheid
Yes. I agree.Quote:
and only that which is published...
Burn your bibles now.
I agree. Kill your priests now!!Quote:
Yet there is undenyable a LOT of holes in the theory which can never be patched up by men to make it LOOK credible,
er, um. Based on what asinine theory?Quote:
If the world did come about as you evolutionists say it did (by a big bang, blah, blah) then obviously the world wouldn't be surviving now....
Please! Only so much irony per post!!Quote:
What blind people are who refuse to believe the truth!
Ah. So because the planet isn’t constantly spinning out of alignment is your answer for gawd. Gotcha.Quote:
The days and the seasons have not changed.
Aside from blatant theft from older material and a _very_ wide array of contradictions? Are you sure you’ve read the sodding thing?Quote:
Believingthe Bible, which has little wording problems
I’ve always been fond of the scene where a drunk Noah gets porked by his son. Tasty stuff…Ouch!Quote:
(which can be done away easily enough) you pick out as if it means much.
The “Shroud of Turin”?Quote:
yet you use a little rag cloth to bind up the forlorn gap
Yes, cuz the bible gang have such solid facts to create holes in it…yawn.Quote:
growing bigger each day, frantically trying to sew it all up before it rips apart...
Fascinating. I’d guess your medication wore off before finishing your post. Thanks for documenting it. Utterly fascinating.Quote:
Come on. This won't do. Reality is cruel if like adilyoussef, you live is a land of illusions amd dreams, untiol you wake up to harsh truth one day, which will then demand of you what good did u do with the truth. Then of course, you can't deny and say you never knew the truth, for I'm telling you the truth NOW....
Then I sincerely hope you are happy in your lonely little world, if you can't even bear the sight of another human being. I gather, then, that you think yourself the epitome of human elovution, the most brilliant mind ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
And you I notice throw snide remarks and downright insults at anyone you disagree with. Touching. I question and manage to remain civil, even when disagreeing. You make no secret that you feel everyone else is a dolt for believing anything less that what you proclaim is the truth. All we have a right to is an *informed* opinion? And, I take it, you will inform us what that opinion is? And excuse me, but we are the ones who are supposed to be crazy? Hum... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
So I don't like the Brontes' writing and I'm not into Shakespeare. If you disagree with me there, post it on that forum. If you feel you're "colossally wasting" your time debating with me, then don't. You are probably a person who would never step out of the way for a fool. I on the other hand, always do. :) Most civilly yours. Dragon out.Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Flip back some: never assume. (tis good advice, even for someone ‘always questioning’)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
And don’t paraphrase me.
My words are right there in front of you.
Don’t just read them: comprehend them.
No need to create a little back-story or embellish.
Interesting that someone cracking your ‘debate’ open to show you its hollow interior (as if the exterior wasn’t malnourished enough) is deemed as ‘uncivil’.Quote:
And you I notice throw snide remarks and downright insults at anyone you disagree with. Touching. I question and manage to remain civil, even when disagreeing.
You honestly think anyone should just blab on about anything they know nothing about? (rhetorical question, simply based on your above ‘observations’).Quote:
All we have a right to is an *informed* opinion?
Conversation is already dying out; let’s not give any wanker with a modem and a keyboard the ‘right’ to step on the ‘soapbox’.
Or to put it in more ‘hip’ terms: if you’re gonna come: come correct.
I’m not that bold. Nor have the time.Quote:
And, I take it, you will inform us what that opinion is?
Informed opinions usually ring a bit stronger than the nonsense. Usually.
Don’t get so slighted, I’m not out to get you. “intelligent design” simply has no content. Since there is no content there is no argument.
(I think I’m paraphrasing (or maybe directly quoting) Dr. Daniel Dennett there…)
You kids unearth (pun intended) some, bring it forth.
quite fascinating the...evolution of this thread.
best quality coffee spilled everywhere, is spreading a fresh aroma...
I light a cigarette and say: "eppur si muove!"
Religious discussion are always sensitive, causing the most upset. However, it is good to remember that we all come here to exchange ideas as well sharing our views and it is these opinions that we disagree with. Please do not attack personally those who disagree with your views. We cannot expect others to change their beliefs just because we say so.
If you cannot accept this and/or do not want your opinions to be criticised by others, please stay away from these threads.
Quite right. I apologize. As Sherlock Holmes always said, "It is a mistake to theorize without all the facts."Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Neither am I out to get you. I just don't think you've proved me wrong. Mendel allowed for mutations, yes. A mutation is a variation from the norm, a result other than the one one should expect given a set of circumstances. It just adds another factor into the equation and lengthens the odds of its occurance. That's all I'm trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Pshaw.... since when did Mutation ever mutate something for the better as evolution claims to have done? Also, one cannot 'mutate' so far as to change environment and subtances.... like feathers to scales or vise versa. :brow:
I doubt very much that evolution claims that mutations mutate for the better. What do you mean by 'better'? It appears to me that mutations persist if they maintain or increase a species fit to its environment.
Your sentence is incomplete. Here, I’ll finish it for you…”causing the most upset by those that possibly/potentially question their “beliefs”, many (if not all) times because it is based on little-to-nothing.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Scheherazade
Nothing to get upset about if one has a foundation to base their “opinion” on.
You should really leave this kind of bunk to the moderators.Quote:
If you cannot accept this and/or do not want your opinions to be criticised by others, please stay away from these threads.
Everyone’s doing fine here.
Pendragon took a side-swipe and tried to create an image of me, which is fairly typical of someone with no argument and tries to weight the side in their favour - although I have a big feeling you’re addressing your ‘warning’ to me, which is funny, to say the least.
Those that have no thesis will interject with “Pshaw” (for example) from time to time, and while slightly amusing (if not disconcerting), it’s a no blood, no foul arena.
One would have to make a statement based on something to be proved wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pendragon
You’re linking Mendel’s Law of Independent Assortment [let alone a card deck in a “closed system”] which 1) is only ~150 years old and 2) sorry to say, being shown to have some flaws in certain plant species (I believe it was out of Purdue, I can try to dig up the article if you wish) to an abolishment of evolutionary fact and theory is, as I jested before, trying to hammer the square peg in the round hole.
Far weaker than Behe’s in-depth theory that ‘our blood clots (among other things), so there must be a creator’.
Sorry, "irreducibly complex” (Behe again) doesn’t mean “gawd”.
Since it’s been “claimed” countless times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelheid
“Better” meaning survival, I’d guess you’re meaning…
Feel free to read up on some.
Co-inkly-dinkly, the book I mentioned before by Stephan Jay Gould, Full House, subtitle “The Spread of Excellence From Plato to Darwin”, (1996) has a chapter, entitled, “Case Two: Life’s Little Joke”, subtitle being, “Genuine changes in central tendency are meaningful, but our failure to consider variation has led to a backwards interpretation: the evolution of horses”.
Kind funny how a book’s chapter title has more words, let alone merit than some posts around here.
Anyway, I am not always in agreement with SJG, but that’s also part of the fun. And needless to say when he counters something I believe (although he was far smarter and experienced than I could ever hope to be) he _does_ come up with something jusssssssssssst a bit more than “pshaw” (for example).
Assuming this book is still in print, I’ll have Amazon send out a few copies to those interested.
I am the Moderator, Coffeestained. ;) (along with Logos)Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeestained
Now, once again, please read the Forum Rules and try to keep your arguments within these, without resorting to personal attacks and disrespecting others in general.
Thank you! ;)