To contrast with Blaze's post when he says heaven and hell do not exist physically - when the conditions for these do exist on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Propter W.
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To contrast with Blaze's post when he says heaven and hell do not exist physically - when the conditions for these do exist on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Propter W.
Ah, I see. But "hellish" or "heavenly" conditions on earth have nothing to do with the concepts of hell or heaven, imo. Sometimes people define god as nature, but we don't need a mystical term to describe something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulclem
Anyway, my brain's shutting down... Sorry for the feeble reply. Perhaps I'll be able to express myself more clearly in the morning!
No doubt in my mind which one there's more of here - the hellish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulclem
Heavenly conditions exist occasionally for the majority, but in such small increments as to be negligible against the enormity of lifelong hell that some endure.
That's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atheist
Why do people search for Heaven and Hell?
You can already find it here.
The OP was about modern conceptions of heaven and hell and how they are inconsistent with the Bible and the Koran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skia
Like I said.
Either in the bible or the Koran, You can find heaven and hell on earth if you look hard enough...
You're right, and you don't have to look too hard. We were talking about the possibility of the existence of heaven and hell. If you believe in an afterlife, and you can see hellish conditions on earth, then the possibility of heaven/ hell existing in the hearafter increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skia
There are hellish conditions... perhaps there are hell worlds. Who knows? I don't think of it often. I'm really inclined to say there's no permanent reality called hell. Buddhist cosmology states that there are many hell worlds and innumerable heaven worlds. Taoist, and actually every single spiritaul culture has found that there's a union of opposites. It's a really sacred truth humanity has had for millinnea. It's just a quiet knowing.
If I could provide evidence would any of you believe in either? These aren't physical locations that are evident by physical proof-- SO these things can only be proven through Spiritual tests (such as prayer and study in texts provided by whichever supreme creator that you think "most likely" real). Its all determined by feeling and spiritual confirmation. Sounds nutty but at the same time, if it IS nutty, then testing it out should come easy to you all.
What kind of evidence do you have?
Cause and effect.
Valid question.Quote:
Originally Posted by YesNo
The evidence that I would use for heaven or hell is what people who have had near death experiences tell us about it.
Yes, but if you are going to believe them then you might as well just believe what the scriptures teach... as long as we're gonna take someones word for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by YesNo