Entropy

Does entropy forbid the intervention of God in the Universe? If everything in the Universe is subject to decay, does this mean God cannot act in the Universe, and therefore there is no such thing as miracles? If God can intervene, then I suppose entropy must be locally relative.

ok, having an engineering background i understand entropy as a thermodynamic measurement of useless energy in a changing system. i can also grasp the chaos general theory. but before i jump into this intellectual conversation i would like to educate myself a little more on the matter. atiguhya, can you refer me to some "good reading" on the matter at hand. thanx.

Yeah, I view entropy as more of a thermodynamic concept also. If you're going to take entropy to be ANY disorder, then I consider that it would no longer hold. [in relation to what ati wrote. Why would miracles involve defying the laws of thermodynamics??]

entropy is also a product of information theory.

you are totally right fayefaye. i was just wondering if ap was pulling these theories from some type of new age philosophical book, or if he is spinning these off his head.

they're physical laws, psyco. actually, entropy is the second law of thermodynamics.

yeah-I thought it sounded like total bs. What do you think of chaos theory, btw? Interesting? Why'd you bring it up? It doesn't really have much to do with entropy, does it? An underlying order in seemingly random events, as I understand it. [then again I don'tknow much about it , so...]

I was really referring to the implication that everything in the Universe is geared towards decay. So how can God act in the Universe? without decaying?

*shrug* That theory's stupid. hey cap'n, that thing you were talking about, was that the idea that information just keeps spreading, I think you brought it up earlier. But stupidity's what spreads, if anything, imo.

Actually, on this site, it seems that your posts are what spreads most. Maybe they are synonymous.

You should think of taking up teaching Fayefaye, you have such a knack for encouraging others.

Had physical entropy, that is, the second law of thermodynamics, once explained to me as a box of Corn Flakes.

Any system will naturally seek its lowest energy state.

Thus, when eating eating a bowl of breakfast cereal, the good stuff is at the top of the box. By the time you work your way to the bottom its nothin' but crumbs. Yuk.

Anyhow, the principle of entropy has always been favorite metaphorical way discribing a variety of social and cultural "systems." I just recently explained to my spouse that the expanding waist size of my Levi's was on account of entropy, not a lack of will power down at the Baskin-Robbins.

ati, you're not half as witty as you think you are. OBVIOUSLY my posts only serve to illustrate my point. If information just keeps spreading, and we were to pay attention to the idea that one day knowledge and communication will cease to exist [I think this is a stupid theory, btw] then we have to looK at WHAT the information spread is. A greater knowledge of 'popular' celebrities, faye's opinion, etc, etc. Is this really going to make society any better or more intelligent? I don't think so. Just look at the types of information commonly spread. obviously people are just getting dumber with time. It will start with me and spread to the rest of you chumps.... :)

ok, pick the fallacy

You set up a uniform magnetic field in a perfect vacuum, into which you place a bunch of electrons. Since they'll keep moving in a circular path at constant speed [due to force from field] why doesn't this defy the law of entropy?