Why I Don't Believe In God

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Originally Posted by BlackCat

If it is definite and objective that there is no truth, then lack of truth is the truth, thus occurs a paradox

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There is plenty of truth in the two dimensions of the imagination. But there occurs no truth in three dimensions, only infinite truths and lies. No paradox. The truth only occurs in existence and being. We see it all the time. No paradox. A vicious circle. Imagination without knowledge is like a toilet without water. Knowledge without imagination, however, is an impossibility. Paradox is coax.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

There is plenty of truth in the two dimensions of the imagination. But there occurs no truth in three dimensions, only infinite truths and lies. No paradox. The truth only occurs in existence and being. We see it all the time. No paradox. A vicious circle. Imagination without knowledge is like a toilet without water. Knowledge without imagination, however, is an impossibility. Paradox is coax.

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Pardon me, but I don't know if this is physics or is it literature? Our world is 4 d, 4 dimension, not 3. I don't know how many dimensions imagination posesses, but my guess would be beyond 2 dimensions, since imagination is infinite. Truths can't be infinite, if so then truth won't be truth. It is either a truth or a lie, lies are infinite, truth is one. Lies are circular, truth is linear. If truth only occurs in existence and being, it is then more of a reason why truth can't be infinite, since existence and being, that of man, is finite.

If there is no truth in the 3 dimensions, there therefore no truth in the 4 dimensions, thus no truth in our realm. If there is no truth in this finite realm, then one should speculate that there are no truths belong to the 3 dimensions that can be infinite (since no effects can be greater than its cause). The paradox lies not in reality, but in fact in your statement. Assume if there is no truth, then the lack of truth is the truth :banana:

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Originally Posted by BlackCat

Pardon me, but I don't know if this is physics or is it literature? Our world is 4 d, 4 dimension, not 3. I don't know how many dimensions imagination posesses, but my guess would be beyond 2 dimensions, since imagination is infinite. Truths can't be infinite, if so then truth won't be truth. It is either a truth or a lie, lies are infinite, truth is one. Lies are circular, truth is linear. If truth only occurs in existence and being, it is then more of a reason why truth can't be infinite, since existence and being, that of man, is finite.

If there is no truth in the 3 dimensions, there therefore no truth in the 4 dimensions, thus no truth in our realm. If there is no truth in this finite realm, then one should speculate that there are no truths belong to the 3 dimensions that can be infinite (since no effects can be greater than its cause). The paradox lies not in reality, but in fact in your statement. Assume if there is no truth, then the lack of truth is the truth :banana:

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You are not grasping what I mean. "The truth" only is and exists. It does not occur except in that. You or many other people are accustomed to deal with existence and being, now museum pieces.
I could deal with this philologically going all the way back to classical Latin. I might do it here perhaps, although I have no interest now. But the age of existentialism has been overcome by postmodernism and science.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

You are not grasping what I mean. "The truth" only is and exists. It does not occur except in that. You or many other people are accustomed to deal with existence and being, now museum pieces.
I could deal with this philologically going all the way back to classical Latin. I might do it here perhaps, although I have no interest now. But the age of existentialism has been overcome by postmodernism and science.

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Classical Latin would have been heavily influenced by Greek philosophy, which was mostly Platonism (unless they adhere to Stoicism, which of course are apathetic). Platonism would have advocated that truth is a distinct form, that could be compared to something like God in Christianity except it's more laid back and passive. Truth only is and exists, that is Platonism. Except in Platonism truth only is and exists and is definite and objective, there was no infinity, no circular truth. Truth to Plato and to the Western world as a whole is linear and straight forward, like the sun to earth. :banana:

you also said truth only occurs in existence and being, and said many others and I are accustomed to existence and being. Shouldn't we be able to understand truth instantaneously? I don't get the museum pieces statement.

This is also why I believe in God, lack of faith in God causes me intellectual head aches and more paradoxes than answers

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Originally Posted by cafolini

You could spend your life talking about truth. There occurs no truth. There occur and infinity of truths and an infinity of lies.

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Good response but what the heck is 'free will' for??

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Originally Posted by osho

I am tired of this idea of Godliness. I do not know what to say and not to say and what to believe or not to believe. I am torn between belief and disbelief and in fact everybody is a believer to some extent particularly when he has a thousand questions and not a single convincing answer and maybe God could be the last answer every skeptic arrives at.

Likewise everyone is a disbeliever too because the source of our belief in God is religious books and the teachings of our elders.
Tne animists do not believe in any god, for example. they worship almost everything and even nothing. I don't think they too are wrong by their choice though i may differ with them in their outlook or belief-even then the point reached the same thing-God!!

I have read plenty of religious books and some are trashy. No religious books are without fallacies or myths and it is a matter of degrees and Christianity and Hinduisms have so many religious texts that have no logic and are baseless. The rest of religions too have trashy things.

People become foolishly argue for their particular faith and they are in their babyhood indoctrinated into a particular credo and they cannot uproot their doctrinal faiths no matter how much they are well read and they have no questioning mind since they are hooked to their faiths.

Where is there God? It is in their thought. Where is their thought? It is in their memory and all your memories are things of the past, dried up and dead. Therefore your memory is your God.

If you are born to a religious community and you get hooked up with them and you cannot break this chain of faith and you will die as a blind follower.

You live with an illusion and die with this. This does not accord with truth.

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Condemnation of other religions such as Hinduism etc you remarked at is uncalled for. If you don't understand 'logarithms' you cannot condemn it as false just for the reason it is beyond your 'cognitive' capabilities or you just don't like the idea. Similarly all religions have a point in case, take it or leave it rather then puke disgust for it for personal reasons.

I suppose many here are quite grown up and sensible folk and they do not need their parents dinning about what to do or what not to do ...in many matters including religion.

Religion is not an illusion...though it may be a reflection of the Almighty!

To " ina hadina sabeela wa imma shakirwn wa imma kaffora"

And we have given you (hadayt, mind) Whether to accept Him or reject Him.

To Recogonize Him or deny Him

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Good response but what the heck is 'free will' for??

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i think To " ina hadina sabeela wa imma shakirwn wa imma kaffora" Surah Dahir.

And we have given you (hadayt, mind) Whether to accept Him or reject Him.

To Recogonize Him or deny Him

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Good response but what the heck is 'free will' for??

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my speculation is that free will allows man to either accept or deny truth, or in certain cases make one up

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Originally Posted by osho

I am tired of this idea of Godliness. I do not know what to say and not to say and what to believe or not to believe. I am torn between belief and disbelief and in fact everybody is a believer to some extent particularly when he has a thousand questions and not a single convincing answer and maybe God could be the last answer every skeptic arrives at.

Likewise everyone is a disbeliever too because the source of our belief in God is religious books and the teachings of our elders.

I have read plenty of religious books and some are trashy. No religious books are without fallacies or myths and it is a matter of degrees and Christianity and Hinduisms have so many religious texts that have no logic and are baseless. The rest of religions too have trashy things.

People become foolishly argue for their particular faith and they are in their babyhood indoctrinated into a particular credo and they cannot uproot their doctrinal faiths no matter how much they are well read and they have no questioning mind since they are hooked to their faiths.

Where is there God? It is in their thought. Where is their thought? It is in their memory and all your memories are things of the past, dried up and dead. Therefore your memory is your God.

If you are born to a religious community and you get hooked up with them and you cannot break this chain of faith and you will die as a blind follower.

You live with an illusion and die with this. This does not accord with truth.

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Condemnation of other religions such as Hinduism etc you remarked at is uncalled for. If you don't understand 'logarithms' you cannot condemn it as false just for the reason it is beyond your 'cognitive' capabilities or you just don't like the idea. Similarly all religions have a point in case, take it or leave it rather then puke disgust for it for personal reasons.

I suppose many here are quite grown up and sensible folk and they do not need their parents dinning about what to do or what not to do ...in many matters including religion.

Religion is not an illusion...though it may be a reflection of the Almighty!
What do you think about animists?? they believe in everything and nothing .
All the roads lead to Rome! God.

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Condemnation of other religions such as Hinduism etc you remarked at is uncalled for. If you don't understand 'logarithms' you cannot condemn it as false just for the reason it is beyond your 'cognitive' capabilities or you just don't like the idea. Similarly all religions have a point in case, take it or leave it rather then puke disgust for it for personal reasons.

I suppose many here are quite grown up and sensible folk and they do not need their parents dinning about what to do or what not to do ...in many matters including religion.

Religion is not an illusion...though it may be a reflection of the Almighty!
What do you think about animists?? they believe in everything and nothing .
All the roads lead to Rome! God.

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Deja Vú?

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Originally Posted by BlackCat

Deja Vú?

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No, one can feel it!

you do realize you posted something twice?

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Originally Posted by BlackCat

you do realize you posted something twice?

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computer slip,I note . Usually the site detects and stops duplicates posts.......