True but some of it is enjoyable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
http://youtu.be/ZRwBBI1TGHM
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True but some of it is enjoyable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
http://youtu.be/ZRwBBI1TGHM
I recall an advertisement a few years ago brought to us by - advertisers! - in which they contrasted the difference between western advertising with all its mixed hopes (fast and shiny cars, new and improved colour televisions and programs, wonderful holidays, fresh food in supermarkets, the spring clothing range, etc etc) and then switched to scenes of Russian sausage queues, a clunky tram system, residential buildings - all grey and drab and horrible.
The closer: 'Advertising... you'd notice it more if it wasn't there'
I was sold. If it's a necessary evil, bring it on!
Maybe fun and classic, but stealing Bach for tobacco and cancer! Can't be a good game...Quote:
Originally Posted by Emil Miller
You wouldn't say that if you peered into the void as much as I have with advertising. For me it is one of the worst evils around today. Harvard psychologists and so, f**king kids brains with shi*e in order to sell more plastic etc, etc. Screw that!Quote:
Originally Posted by MystyrMystyry
On top of that I am so sensitive to jingle crap that there is not much of a day goes by that it totally invades my brain - that and ice cream vans. Awful.
I have to mute every single advert on the TV before my head explodes - "because your worth it!" etc, etc, vile, evil trash!!
I would rather have long queues of near starvation every day that to have to listen to one single advert.
What a manipulative machine of pure evil - more evil than you could ever imagine.
Avoid at all costs*.
* However you cannot.
I agree. It's insulting how stupid they seem to think we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neely
Miss Woolf is so correct!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
Also, advertisting is so much more evil than even that.
I have a thing about advertising...:yesnod:
Sometimes commercials are cute, like that Pimms one, (but I don't see many.) One reason they can't sell me anything is that I also avoid all the advertising I can.
I don't understand why there are TVs so many places I go, such as the hospital emergency room lobby. We have to search to find a place where we're not watching TV. It's so weird - like this week, the TV on the wall is replaying the 9/11 disaster. It's the same thing at the lab I go to - many people are ill, there to have blood drawn, and the TV is showing murders.
I rarely ever pick up women's magazines either, but in the hospital I did pick up one recently, the June Ladies' Home Journal, and I ripped out this article about the singer Sheryl Crow. The article raised the topic of tattoos.
Sheryl says that after surviving breast cancer, she has redefined what matters most in life. She used to always put others before herself, but now puts herself first.
She says, "this is one of the reasons I've kept the tattoos around my breasts," On her chest are the marks from her radiation therapy: she could have had them removed but chose not to. The cancer, she says was her wake-up call to take care of herself. "Sometimes I find myself slipping back into the position of being everyone's caretaker. Then I'll get out of the shower and see the marks. They remind me that I have to be the most important person in my life."
So I was comparing these tattoos and their meaning to the others that I see (along with all of the cutting and burning that I suppose people are emulating from something they saw on the Oprah show) which are done for the thrill of hurting oneself, as was mentioned on the bloggers thread. Interesting contrast.
To paraphrase the great Don Draper - If you have moral qualms with advertising, don't buy buy stuff.
I refuse to buy stuff partly as a protest, as an act of rebellion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander III
I did buy a Kindle, but I have mixed feelings about it. Sometimes I almost feel suspicious of it.
That's like saying don't let the subconsious propaganda, that's around you, all the time in every single media form, effect the way you live your life - just ignore it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander III
It is not just about saying "here is a product buy me". It does that on one level, but on another it zombifies the entire world, fills it with artificial desire and causes all manner of chaos and unhappiness.
Also, anyone who works in selling insurance or advertises insurance, especially car insurance, should be shot on sight without trial, along with this bastard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_-9QFvhQWo
As is often the case, this is a long way from Public Nudity which is the title of this thread, but while we are on the subject, I think Neely is taking a rather extreme view of advertising. While we know that it exists solely to entice the gullible to part with their money, there is no compulsion for them to do so.
For example, I don't watch TV these days but, even when I did, I virtually ignored ITV not just because of the adverts but because the programmes were usually aimed at people whose critical faculties were, to say the least, not very high: hence the advertising. The BBC, which admittedly has its hidden political agenda, was free from adverts and therefore, in my view, a better deal from a programming perspective.
I have the same reaction to pop music which, like advertising, is very pervasive and is also designed to entice the gullible to part with their money but, as with advertising, I simply ignore it. I have never bought anything because it was advertised and I have never willingly listened to pop music; hearing it piped into shopping areas or in the hairdresser's etc., tells me all I need to know about it and I react accordingly. If others are more easily persuaded to part with their money via these mediums that's up to them.
I don't understand why there are TVs so many places I go, such as the hospital emergency room lobby. We have to search to find a place where we're not watching TV. It's so weird - like this week, the TV on the wall is replaying the 9/11 disaster. It's the same thing at the lab I go to - many people are ill, there to have blood drawn, and the TV is showing murders.
We are bombarded with TVs for the same reason we are bombarded with loud music in bars and restaurants, and for the same reason that people go about with i-pods wired to their heads or engaged on the cell phone at all times: Laziness. People demand constant stimuli because they are unable to think for themselves... they are almost afraid of silence which would demand you think... daydream... muse... reflect. When I was a child, the doctor's offices were quiet. There was no TV or radio blaring. One sat and daydreamed... or read a book or magazine. Reading, however, demands an effort upon the part of the reader. Watching the TV or listening to Lady Gaga for the 1000th time is far easier. Personally, I am disgusted with TVs in restaurants and waiting rooms. If I must wait an half hour to see the doctor or for my prescription to be filled I don't want to be bombarded with Oprah or some moronic sportscaster.
So I was comparing these tattoos and their meaning to the others that I see ...which are done for the thrill of hurting oneself...
Remember your own pierced ears, Vonny. Did you have this done as a means of self mutilation or a desire to hurt yourself? I doubt it. I would presume that the majority of those who get tattoos or piercings get them for the same reasons anyone might have their ears pierced. They find them beautiful and see them as a form of artistic self-expression. Human beings have been engaged in attempts to alter their appearances forever.
The most obvious means is through fashion... which we have discussed... as well as the cutting and styling of our hair. But there are the temporary henna bridal designs employed by Indian women:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6182/...cc55ac8c05.jpg
The typical biker-bar tattoos:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6195/...391b52769c.jpg
Or something far more elaborate:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/...e2ee386b78.jpg
Piercings:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6088/...106a56eb84.jpg
Or other alterations:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/...d3408f70ce.jpg
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6187/...9889ab2ee9.jpg
Western civilization, thanks to the Judaic foundation, long engaged in the circumcision of males... and it is only here that I have problems with such body alterations (and I might note I have no such piercings or tattoos myself) is when they are imposed upon children or other by force... especially as a means of control as with male and female circumcision, foot-binding, etc...
Yes what a joy watching The Killing on BBC4 has been without the constant annoying interruptions, you would have got on any other non-BBC channel. I also don’t watch much TV because most of it is a pile of rubbish but The Killing has been outstanding viewing, almost faultless programming and better than anything that has been screened for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emil Miller
Anyway, you can limit the amount of TV you watch, and so reduce the poison of TV adverts, but you can’t escape advertising in some form or other for a single day of your life, unless you went and lived in a cave (and I bet you would still get fast food fliers). You can’t escape it for a second. By all means you can try to ignore it but it is still there like a plague spreading its propaganda.
Of course if people are foolish enough to part with their money because a fat man screams at them, or something just as annoying, then that’s their problem (one of the most successful adverts of last year). Fools parting with money. One thing I object to though is how advertising normalises middle/high end products. So that a new car is only £9,999 on road, or that holiday abroad is a bargain at £999 per person or this and that that everybody has one. Such language is internalised so that if you can’t afford these products, that everybody has, at only £9999 at a drop of a hat, then you are poor, a failure of no good – at least this is the implied signification from such language and people digest and internalise it and are made to feel bad when they can’t live up to these artificial standards set by the propagandaists.
I also don’t like the subtle tricky of some advertising which masks real desires and human drives with a product that cannot meet that desire (or even make it worse). Obviously sex is used all the time with no subtlety. Put a half naked woman on a packet of cat litter and people will buy more of it! Advertisers are quick to latch on to the other more subtle needs like friendship or freedom though. So that people are told to “drink Magners with friends” or we are shown a car being driven down an open road, signifying freedom, so that basic human desires are being masked with a product which can’t possibly meet that need. Another misery creator.
I also strongly object to the use child psychologists to learn how best to manipulate the minds of children through advertising – of which millions are spent annually by companies. Instead of filling the minds of children with something useful, or allowing them to grow naturally, we allow dictators to fill their minds with nonsense, so that half of them can’t exist without purple dinosaurs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZivl5iKCo) or the latest piece of plastic or alcopop drink. Of course on top of that, there’re simply just so damn annoying.
I also can’t stand insurance of all types and think essential insurances should be covered by non-profit, council run organisations.
Other annoying things are police helicopters and ice cream vans.:D
Yes the constant demand for electrical stimuli is overbearing and certainly adversely affecting children and young people. A healthy balance is fine, but there's not much of that about it seems.Quote:
We are bombarded with TVs for the same reason we are bombarded with loud music in bars and restaurants, and for the same reason that people go about with i-pods wired to their heads or engaged on the cell phone at all times: Laziness. People demand constant stimuli because they are unable to think for themselves... they are almost afraid of silence which would demand you think... daydream... muse... reflect. When I was a child, the doctor's offices were quiet. There was no TV or radio blaring. One sat and daydreamed... or read a book or magazine. Reading, however, demands an effort upon the part of the reader. Watching the TV or listening to Lady Gaga for the 1000th time is far easier. Personally, I am disgusted with TVs in restaurants and waiting rooms. If I must wait an half hour to see the doctor or for my prescription to be filled I don't want to be bombarded with Oprah or some moronic sportscaster.
Yes the constant demand for electrical stimuli is overbearing and certainly adversely affecting children and young people.
It's a large part of the problem behind kids behavior and learning issues in school. The little urchins are used to continual stimuli and continual entertainment and even education "leaders" fall for this crap pushing teachers to make the lessons "engaging"... ie. "entertaining". It starts with lazy and/or ignorant parents employing the TV, DVDs, and video games as a cheap baby sitter. No need to spend time with the kids when you can just plop them in front of the TV. Now I'll not suggest I never watched my share of TV. As a kid I'd watch the morning kid's shows before the school bus came and when I got home I might watch an hour of cartoons... or more if the weather was bad... but I spent far more time outside... playing sports, exploring the forest behind my home, riding bikes, inventing various role-playing games, etc... Ultimately, the constant presence of the media is a major source of the obesity in children in the wealthier nations.
Neely, my already high respect for you just went up a few notches.
In a similar vein, I really hate branded designer clothing. People pay daft sums of money to a big company to advertise their brand. It's crackers.
I had an argument with someone in the pub the other night, who laughed at my rather ancient and horrible mobile phone. He was lording it up with his expensive iThing, so I felt the need to make the point. That cost him hundreds of pounds, not to mention the monthly service charge, which in reality means that he is only renting his phone. Mine, as I pointed out, cost £15. When it runs out of money, I put some more on. End of. Well, says he, it can't access the internet or be used as a GPS, can it? No, but I own a cheap GPS (£30) and if I want to check the internet, I go to my computer. What my £15 phone can do is call people, which is what I wanted it for.
He didn't have much of an answer for that. So many of the things we are encouraged to buy are just useless status symbols.
I'll give public nudity one thing: it's hard to brand, and there are no pockets to carry around designer junk. That said, if public nudity became the standard, I bet there would be a lot of people queing up to get 'Nike' or 'Reebok' tattooed on their chests...